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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2017 9:37:01 GMT
Playing three at the back and Berahino as a lone striker will never, ever work, or happen for that matter. If it did, one of Shaq, Jese or Choupo will be sat on the bench. Either we change the system (we won't, given our abundance of centre backs and lack of midfielders) or we hang on and muddle through until January when it will be painfully apparent that nothing much has improved and our squad has no balance. Then we buy a new striker and midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 9:47:23 GMT
Hes not going out on loan!!! Nonesense supporters....alot on here Hes still a great player to have ....once he gets a goal they will flood in
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2017 9:55:35 GMT
Playing three at the back and Berahino as a lone striker will never, ever work, or happen for that matter. If it did, one of Shaq, Jese or Choupo will be sat on the bench. Either we change the system (we won't, given our abundance of centre backs and lack of midfielders) or we hang on and muddle through until January when it will be painfully apparent that nothing much has improved and our squad has no balance. Then we buy a new striker and midfielder. I'd drop Jesse for the Chelsea game tbh.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 21, 2017 10:02:14 GMT
Why, what's he done wrong???
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2017 10:05:37 GMT
Hes not going out on loan!!! Nonesense supporters....alot on here Hes still a great player to have ....once he gets a goal they will flood in Staggering the rapidity that supporters lost faith in Bojan compared to the longevity they're prepared to give Berahino.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2017 10:07:45 GMT
Playing three at the back and Berahino as a lone striker will never, ever work, or happen for that matter. If it did, one of Shaq, Jese or Choupo will be sat on the bench. Either we change the system (we won't, given our abundance of centre backs and lack of midfielders) or we hang on and muddle through until January when it will be painfully apparent that nothing much has improved and our squad has no balance. Then we buy a new striker and midfielder. I'd drop Jesse for the Chelsea game tbh. He's not fit and jetting back to see his little kiddie won't help, but apparently he wants to play/be involved so I guess we listen to him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2017 10:13:53 GMT
I'd drop Jesse for the Chelsea game tbh. He's not fit and jetting back to see his little kiddie won't help, but apparently he wants to play/be involved so I guess we listen to him. He may want to be involved and thats good, it would be a worry if he didn't but that doesn't mean he should be starting every week he did nothing in the newcastle game and we should be rotating them, so for me Bera should be given a chance against Chelsea, I don't think he will the way things are going but I'd like to see it.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 21, 2017 10:20:24 GMT
If you loan out Berahino then you may as well just try and sell him, you are basically saying "you aint good enough" As we are so short up front we may as well keep him until a better player can be found...........Pretty obvious I guess Loaning out would be part of the sale process. As it stands he hasn't scored a Premier League goal for god knows how long (is it 2 years?) and we couldn't give him away. However if he goes to the Championship and bangs in a few goals we may have more of a chance of getting some interest. Whichever way you look at it though it's yet another failed big/medium money buy and yet another failed striker which is a big black mark against Hughes. I'm not in the sacking camp yet (partly due to the lack of obvious replacements) and there have been some positive signs this season which may return now we have a couple of home games coming up. However you can't ignore the repetitive problems we seem to be having which have been persistent for a few years now. His failure to get us scoring goals and finding a system to create chances for our strikers and inability to find a striker who can score some goals. His failure to properly organise a defence and our constant weakness from set pieces. And his record with £10m plus signings which is appalling and Wimmer looks to be joining the ever growing list of expensive flops. The case against is growing and isn't knee jerk, this is based over multiple seasons. Basically this is very much how I also see the situation. I would also add that his decision not to buy any recognised wing backs ( thus shoe-horning our best available striker into rwb ) whilst playing a wing back system is another negative mark.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 21, 2017 11:19:40 GMT
I've heard rumours and seen on twitter a few links where stoke are potentially thinking to loan out berahino.. Thoughts? My opinion is the guy is absolute dross and probably wouldn't make it at championship level now. The guy unfortunately is cluless and doesn't know where the goal is, despite enough starts to even look close to scoring. I would take £5M for him to get something back and get rid come January. How people can still defend him is beyond me. A striker is paid to score goals, no matter how tough it is. Thats what there paid to do. The guy doesn't even make the right runs. Yes he got an assist with the Jese goal.. if you can't make a pass 5 yards you shouldn't be playing sunday pub football so that excuse doesn't wash. Its not the system, as shown by the goal scorers for stoke this season. The problem is Saido. It's not the system, as shown by two goals being scored by centre forwards in our five league games this season. and one of the two was set up by Saido.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 21, 2017 11:23:28 GMT
we don't get the ball in behind the opposition back four quick enough, for Saido to be a success here we need the opposition back line close to the halfway line and release the ball in behind to exploit Saido's pace.
the way we play does not suit Berahino. we either needed to adapt out style to suit the striker (which is what I hoped for) or sign a different striker to suit the way we play.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 21, 2017 11:24:34 GMT
If Berahino goes, so should Hughes. Reasoned post as usual 😂. Sack a manager because a striker hasn't (yet) reached his potential. If this were the case, managers would last no longer than a few months at 95% of clubs. You're a complete berk pal.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2017 11:25:34 GMT
Berahino's pace? He's not really known for his pace though.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 21, 2017 11:29:39 GMT
None of our strikers score regularly, and never have under Hughes. Berahino is not the problem, its the system. Get off his back.
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Post by muglump on Sept 21, 2017 11:35:36 GMT
He can't really score if he doesn't play can he. I think you have to give these big signings a fair go, but i do worry its more money pissed up the wall. If he goes on loan wtf? Who do we think we are, chelsea?
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Post by Gifton on Sept 21, 2017 11:37:55 GMT
He just needs to get his 1st. goal, by whatever means, a fluke off his Arse or whatever, I think he will then go on and score the goals required of his price tag. We said the same about Bony. In fairness though as soon as Bony got his first he was dropped...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2017 11:45:22 GMT
If Berahino goes, so should Hughes. Reasoned post as usual 😂. Sack a manager because a striker hasn't (yet) reached his potential. If this were the case, managers would last no longer than a few months at 95% of clubs. You're a complete berk pal. If only it was just this striker. If only it was this big money signing. Berahino was always shit or bust for Hughes.
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Post by walton corner on Sept 21, 2017 11:50:26 GMT
Berahino needs to effing move ...a comment further up post said augero couldn't score in our formation..yes he would because he drops deep to pick up ball plays it out wide and then gets in the box for cross or return pass or he drops deep picks up ball turns and takes opposition on ...even on Tuesday beharino was happy to have ball played to him and he just went backwards or lost it ....he has to do more himself ,
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Post by pyrus on Sept 21, 2017 11:51:52 GMT
Of Berahino goes out on loan then Hughes should be sacked. There is a recurring structure to the posts of some members of this board: If [ENTER ANY PREMISE HERE] then Hughes should be sackedE.g. If the world is either round or flat then Hughes should be sacked If my bus is late then Hughes should be sacked If we have Chinese takeaway tonight then Hughes should be sacked Try it. It works with anything.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 21, 2017 11:58:37 GMT
He's not fit and jetting back to see his little kiddie won't help, but apparently he wants to play/be involved so I guess we listen to him. He may want to be involved and thats good, it would be a worry if he didn't but that doesn't mean he should be starting every week he did nothing in the newcastle game and we should be rotating them, so for me Bera should be given a chance against Chelsea, I don't think he will the way things are going but I'd like to see it. im sure there is a clause in the loan that will cost us extra if we don't start him, have seen this a few times
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 21, 2017 12:41:58 GMT
He couldn't go out on loan until January if it was true anyhow which I doubt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 12:50:25 GMT
Bera, Jese, Bony, Jos, Chupo and pretty much every other forward we have signed looks completely lost when playing up front on their own for Stoke. Surely they can't all be bad? Or does it have more to do with the fact we haven't got a midfielder whose good enough to actually link up a bit of play and create a damn thing.
Fucking hell the amount of times either Shaq or Chupo have the ball out wide and the only person in the box is the lone man with 3 defenders around him, all the while the central midfield are doing fuck knows what.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 21, 2017 13:05:35 GMT
Bera, Jese, Bony, Jos, Chupo and pretty much every other forward we have signed looks completely lost when playing up front on their own for Stoke. Surely they can't all be bad? Or does it have more to do with the fact we haven't got a midfielder whose good enough to actually link up a bit of play and create a damn thing. Fucking hell the amount of times either Shaq or Chupo have the ball out wide and the only person in the box is the lone man with 3 defenders around him, all the while the central midfield are doing fuck knows what. The 3-4-3 means the central two sit too deep and neither gets up to support the striker. Allen was doing it from the furthest forward in a central three this time last year, but is now not getting into such advanced positions with the change in formation. If the wing backs push up, it is they who should have the ball out wide and the attacking midfielders/support strikers, say Choupo/Jese and Shaq, who should be buzzing around and linking up with the front man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 13:06:38 GMT
Of Berahino goes out on loan then Hughes should be sacked. There is a recurring structure to the posts of some members of this board: If [ENTER ANY PREMISE HERE] then Hughes should be sackedE.g. If the world is either round or flat then Hughes should be sacked If my bus is late then Hughes should be sacked If we have Chinese takeaway tonight then Hughes should be sacked Try it. It works with anything. It's true. Hughes isn't to blame for any of the things you stated. He is to blame for another failure to solve our goal scoring crisis.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 21, 2017 13:13:12 GMT
Bera, Jese, Bony, Jos, Chupo and pretty much every other forward we have signed looks completely lost when playing up front on their own for Stoke. Surely they can't all be bad? Or does it have more to do with the fact we haven't got a midfielder whose good enough to actually link up a bit of play and create a damn thing. Fucking hell the amount of times either Shaq or Chupo have the ball out wide and the only person in the box is the lone man with 3 defenders around him, all the while the central midfield are doing fuck knows what. The 3-4-3 means the central two sit too deep and neither gets up to support the striker. Allen was doing it from the furthest forward in a central three this time last year, but is now not getting into such advanced positions with the change in formation. If the wing backs push up, it is they who should have the ball out wide and the attacking midfielders/support strikers, say Choupo/Jese and Shaq, who should be buzzing around and linking up with the front man. Exactly. It all comes down to playing the wingback formation properly. If the wingbacks attack properly you can have your 3 attacking players closer to each other, linking up. We play wingbacks (poorly) yet still have Choupo & Shaq hugging the touchlines leaving poor old Jese, Bera, whoever all alone with fuck all chance of a shot at goal and being about as useful as tits on a fish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 13:13:53 GMT
Reasoned post as usual 😂. Sack a manager because a striker hasn't (yet) reached his potential. If this were the case, managers would last no longer than a few months at 95% of clubs. You're a complete berk pal. If only it was just this striker. If only it was this big money signing. Berahino was always shit or bust for Hughes. Shit or bust? Hardly! Berahino wasn’t that expensive for a striker who once showed a lot of promise and may yet still come good if he ever gets the chance. Hughes has certainly wasted some money, mainly by losing confidence in players before giving them a fair chance. No need to pull any triggers just yet, let’s see where we are come January. Hughes seems willing to work on a low budget for this league, one of the reasons he is still here and will be for some time unless results massively go against him and we are in the bottom three come January.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 21, 2017 13:24:56 GMT
If you loan out Berahino then you may as well just try and sell him, you are basically saying "you aint good enough" As we are so short up front we may as well keep him until a better player can be found...........Pretty obvious I guess I think it's an imbula situation. Absolutely nobody is stupid enough to buy him and pay him the wages he's on at stoke. The best offer we will get, is a short term loan with stoke paying a hefty part of his wages... Take it or leave it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 13:27:32 GMT
Bera, Jese, Bony, Jos, Chupo and pretty much every other forward we have signed looks completely lost when playing up front on their own for Stoke. Surely they can't all be bad? Or does it have more to do with the fact we haven't got a midfielder whose good enough to actually link up a bit of play and create a damn thing. Fucking hell the amount of times either Shaq or Chupo have the ball out wide and the only person in the box is the lone man with 3 defenders around him, all the while the central midfield are doing fuck knows what. The 3-4-3 means the central two sit too deep and neither gets up to support the striker. Allen was doing it from the furthest forward in a central three this time last year, but is now not getting into such advanced positions with the change in formation. If the wing backs push up, it is they who should have the ball out wide and the attacking midfielders/support strikers, say Choupo/Jese and Shaq, who should be buzzing around and linking up with the front man. That's the idea... sadly it requires actual wing backs, not a useless lump on the left and a converted forward who in all fairness is doing ok. The scary part is that its so easy to see whats wrong yet we consistently fail to sort the issue. Until then we will continue to be low scorers whoever is up front.
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 21, 2017 13:46:18 GMT
None of our strikers score regularly, and never have under Hughes. Berahino is not the problem, its the system. Get off his back. They wont listen mate, it's like banging your head against a brick wall.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 14:29:02 GMT
He's played less than 3 games this season, and set up one of our 5 goals so far. I think against the lesser teams he starts up front. In the 343 shaq drops deep for the ball anyway, so it ends up being Choupo and Jese up front. He won't start vs chelsea, but i think he's a better option next week.
But as an aside, just imagine wanting one of our 3 strikers to go out on loan. Especially when one of those 3 is a 36 year old specialised plan B player and the other is our best right back.
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Post by PolPotter on Sept 21, 2017 15:09:38 GMT
Hes not going out on loan!!! Nonesense supporters....alot on here Hes still a great player to have ....once he gets a goal they will flood in Staggering the rapidity that supporters lost faith in Bojan compared to the longevity they're prepared to give Berahino. Doesn't mean the supporters who lost faith in Bojan are the same supporters, who for some sick reason, have so much patience with our new Dave Bamber (and even he wasn't as bad). Berahino has gone. His head and confidence went long ago. Poor lad.
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