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Post by stokemark on Sept 17, 2017 10:19:53 GMT
They were definitely the better team for the bulk of the game and Joselu could quite easily have had 4. So it's certainly hard to construct that argument! Love to know what the idea is regarding the striker position. Until we address it, we're going to struggle. Its funny how it is games like this, against the average teams, where we would probably expect to win, where the weaknesses are more exposed eg lack of a striker, lack of wing backs, lack of a dominant midfielder. I think we have a far better way of playing against the big boys this season. So that is a positive. But we will have major problems scoring goals against the lesser teams who sit back more. I don't think we will be in trouble this season but it could be grim again Interesting point and a valid one as it is games like today that our lack of a focal point up front becomes very apparent We may be better playing 3 5 3 at home to the big guns but the system is entirely unsuited to games like yesterday where we were overrun in midfield by a very average team
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 10:20:00 GMT
summer of under investment bites hard. Noting going forwards, woeful midfield , missing the old stalwarts the news boys can't hack it . Long long road to between 35 -40 points reality starts here for some . off out now but 1 point from which we probably don't deserve from 3 away tells sun road ahead , out fought outplayed out coached by. A fellow struggler .who looked miles better all ove th pitch . jesse needs time out and has done since day 1 How can i put this politely Benji ? FUCK OFF ! Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance
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Post by miltonstokienew on Sept 17, 2017 10:37:24 GMT
How can i put this politely Benji ? FUCK OFF ! Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance You absolute love us losing Fact
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 10:49:09 GMT
Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance You absolute love us losing Fact No fact at all , I detest it especially when it's totally of the our own making and stupid summer We will not beat the market in the long run now that's a real fact .
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Post by nott1 on Sept 17, 2017 11:14:07 GMT
We need to get back to wrestling matches at set pieces like most other teams, and feck zonal marking off sharpish.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Sept 17, 2017 11:37:48 GMT
How can i put this politely Benji ? FUCK OFF ! Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance I'mmm spennDing a relaxxing tome with My familey Benji....So like I Sade befour. FUCK OFF ! 🙂
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 12:08:19 GMT
Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance I'mmm spennDing a relaxxing tome with My familey Benji....So like I Sade befour. FUCK OFF ! 🙂 Ask them to buy you a dictionary s you really do need a few new words , and i think you mean Said before so spelling needs a hand to and the dictionary will come in Handy
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 17, 2017 15:04:41 GMT
I'mmm spennDing a relaxxing tome with My familey Benji....So like I Sade befour. FUCK OFF ! 🙂 Ask them to buy you a dictionary s you really do need a few new words , and i think you mean Said before so spelling needs a hand to and the dictionary will come in Handy How are things going for you and your team in Burslem
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 17:23:54 GMT
Ask them to buy you a dictionary s you really do need a few new words , and i think you mean Said before so spelling needs a hand to and the dictionary will come in Handy How are things going for you and your team in Burslem I once played lads and dads in burslem about 40 years ago if that helps
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 17, 2017 18:02:41 GMT
How are things going for you and your team in Burslem I once played lads and dads in burslem about 40 years ago if that helps 40 years ago I would have swore blind you were in the 12 to 16 age range. #shockedandstunned
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2017 23:13:53 GMT
How can i put this politely Benji ? FUCK OFF ! Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance You are nothing if not consistent in your comments and instantly become a keyboard warrior when Stoke lose. The tripe you have posted in the last 48 hours beggars belief. You constantly criticise almost everyone associated with the club and claim Walters and Whelan should still be in the side. Sorry, no, correction, you say Stoke should be spending megabucks on numerous >£15m players. May I remind you of the tripe you posted on 4th August: " Plus Bournemouth , Leicester , West Ham , Everton , our exact peer group and competitor set m have all signed players in this price bracket the whole transfer team and the bloke running it should have been gone years ago and as Sheik so correctly says we are sleepwalking our way into the championship , with a naivety , arrogance and incompetence that is staggering ."It is your ignorance that is staggering. As for your predictions and comment that Stoke should have spent like the "exact peer group" above, can I direct you to the league table and look at where those teams that have spent heavily are positioned, relative to Stoke. This is despite the fact that Stoke have had a very difficult opening fixture list this season, including trips to Everton, WBA, and Newcastle. www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=englandI will be willing and wishing Stoke on when we play less difficult matches, as for you, I think you really should stop and think what it is you are writing, as well as correcting your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Alternatively you should go back to Burslem and support that other team, because you clearly don't support the club I have loved for over 50 years.
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Post by hanibal7 on Sept 18, 2017 3:01:18 GMT
In the context of the season, it's still 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Progress is being made and, as long as we learn from these games early in the season (considering 5 of our starting XI today have only been here for a month at most), then there's still cause for optimism. Why will we learn from yesterday? Did we learn from last week? We concede so many goals from corners but never change the way we defend them. Every single player back in the box. No one on the posts. Too many players on near side. Zonal marking. I would guess that every week the opposition coach sits down with his team, shows a video of us defending corners and plans accordingly. Meanwhile at Clayton Woods Sparkie insists Shaqiri drops back for all corners, instructs Fletcher and Allen to hold hands somewhere round the near post, and coaches the other 8 players to "just attack the ball." We are utter dross at defending set pieces and Leslie never seems inclined to do anything about it. this season, where did we concede from set piece, arsenal, west brom, Rochdale,Everton, !????
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 18, 2017 8:23:37 GMT
Just so I'm clear I said all along it was a hopelessly under invested squad , that wouldn't score enough as time passes and I'm proved right and the scramble for 35 + poinnrs starts in earnest what do you expect me to say , especially given your so quick to laud a point at home but resort to abuse when the under investment bites . i reiterate Jesé. And Ramadan will leave the premier league as couldn't hack it but to be fair to Jesse he needs time out to give him even the remotest chance You are nothing if not consistent in your comments and instantly become a keyboard warrior when Stoke lose. The tripe you have posted in the last 48 hours beggars belief. You constantly criticise almost everyone associated with the club and claim Walters and Whelan should still be in the side. Sorry, no, correction, you say Stoke should be spending megabucks on numerous >£15m players. May I remind you of the tripe you posted on 4th August: " Plus Bournemouth , Leicester , West Ham , Everton , our exact peer group and competitor set m have all signed players in this price bracket the whole transfer team and the bloke running it should have been gone years ago and as Sheik so correctly says we are sleepwalking our way into the championship , with a naivety , arrogance and incompetence that is staggering ."It is your ignorance that is staggering. As for your predictions and comment that Stoke should have spent like the "exact peer group" above, can I direct you to the league table and look at where those teams that have spent heavily are positioned, relative to Stoke. This is despite the fact that Stoke have had a very difficult opening fixture list this season, including trips to Everton, WBA, and Newcastle. www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=englandI will be willing and wishing Stoke on when we play less difficult matches, as for you, I think you really should stop and think what it is you are writing, as well as correcting your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Alternatively you should go back to Burslem and support that other team, because you clearly don't support the club I have loved for over 50 years. I'm amazed people still defend him as just a fan with an opinion. It's these sort of times that shows up the real troll in him. After getting a point against Utd you get 1 post form him saying well played, lose and it looks like he's been posting all weekend about net spend, material bollocks blah blah blah. 1 Day the mods on here will finally realise he's a wind up merchant and get rid.
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Post by Northy on Sept 18, 2017 9:00:45 GMT
Its funny how it is games like this, against the average teams, where we would probably expect to win, where the weaknesses are more exposed eg lack of a striker, lack of wing backs, lack of a dominant midfielder. I think we have a far better way of playing against the big boys this season. So that is a positive. But we will have major problems scoring goals against the lesser teams who sit back more. I don't think we will be in trouble this season but it could be grim again Interesting point and a valid one as it is games like today that our lack of a focal point up front becomes very apparent We may be better playing 3 5 3 at home to the big guns but the system is entirely unsuited to games like yesterday where we were overrun in midfield by a very average team No keeper or sneaking in an extra man, which may help?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2017 10:03:50 GMT
You are nothing if not consistent in your comments and instantly become a keyboard warrior when Stoke lose. The tripe you have posted in the last 48 hours beggars belief. You constantly criticise almost everyone associated with the club and claim Walters and Whelan should still be in the side. Sorry, no, correction, you say Stoke should be spending megabucks on numerous >£15m players. May I remind you of the tripe you posted on 4th August: " Plus Bournemouth , Leicester , West Ham , Everton , our exact peer group and competitor set m have all signed players in this price bracket the whole transfer team and the bloke running it should have been gone years ago and as Sheik so correctly says we are sleepwalking our way into the championship , with a naivety , arrogance and incompetence that is staggering ."It is your ignorance that is staggering. As for your predictions and comment that Stoke should have spent like the "exact peer group" above, can I direct you to the league table and look at where those teams that have spent heavily are positioned, relative to Stoke. This is despite the fact that Stoke have had a very difficult opening fixture list this season, including trips to Everton, WBA, and Newcastle. www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=englandI will be willing and wishing Stoke on when we play less difficult matches, as for you, I think you really should stop and think what it is you are writing, as well as correcting your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Alternatively you should go back to Burslem and support that other team, because you clearly don't support the club I have loved for over 50 years. I'm amazed people still defend him as just a fan with an opinion. It's these sort of times that shows up the real troll in him. After getting a point against Utd you get 1 post form him saying well played, lose and it looks like he's been posting all weekend about net spend, material bollocks blah blah blah. 1 Day the mods on here will finally realise he's a wind up merchant and get rid. did we lose a game at the weekend we expected something. From as the deluded top 10 bunch are out I force again , and as I've said before because I see the negative doesn't mean I'm a lesser or better fan than you , so thank but no thanks but if you feel you can spare the time head off to Burslem as they need all the help they can get .
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 18, 2017 10:11:26 GMT
I'm amazed people still defend him as just a fan with an opinion. It's these sort of times that shows up the real troll in him. After getting a point against Utd you get 1 post form him saying well played, lose and it looks like he's been posting all weekend about net spend, material bollocks blah blah blah. 1 Day the mods on here will finally realise he's a wind up merchant and get rid. did we lose a game at the weekend we expected something. From as the deluded top 10 bunch are out I force again , and as I've said before because I see the negative doesn't mean I'm a lesser or better fan than you , so thank but no thanks but if you feel you can spare the time head off to Burslem as they need all the help they can get . We lost a game of football Troll, it happens to everyone, well except for the year of the Invincibles. I never mentioned lesser/better fan, you could be Stoke's number 1 fan for all I know, that doesn't stop you from being a Troll on here if you are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 12:07:48 GMT
In the context of the season, it's still 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Progress is being made and, as long as we learn from these games early in the season (considering 5 of our starting XI today have only been here for a month at most), then there's still cause for optimism. Why will we learn from yesterday? Did we learn from last week? We concede so many goals from corners but never change the way we defend them. Every single player back in the box. No one on the posts. Too many players on near side. Zonal marking. I would guess that every week the opposition coach sits down with his team, shows a video of us defending corners and plans accordingly. Meanwhile at Clayton Woods Sparkie insists Shaqiri drops back for all corners, instructs Fletcher and Allen to hold hands somewhere round the near post, and coaches the other 8 players to "just attack the ball." We are utter dross at defending set pieces and Leslie never seems inclined to do anything about it. To be fair, I said 'as long as we learn' - no guarantee that we will, of course. But for the most part, teammates that haven't been playing together for that long and managers that competently review systems and set-ups, they tend to learn far more from mistakes than they do from when things are going well. Whilst I agree about zonal marking for the most part, my comment was much more about our general play and not being clever enough with our approach to break down a stubborn opponent, which was compounded by some poor passing in the final third. We seemed to keep doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Anyway, we won't know how (or if) we'll adapt our approach following this kind of away game until future matches. So I'm happy to remain optimistic for the time-being
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Post by loosestools on Sept 18, 2017 12:13:48 GMT
Which teams adopt zonal marking and can do it well
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 18, 2017 14:59:29 GMT
Seems they're not impressed with us
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 15:11:57 GMT
Seems they're not impressed with us Looks like we got under their skin. Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 15:55:17 GMT
Seems they're not impressed with us Looks like we got under their skin. Brilliant. Haha, it's rather hilarious isn't it? Despite the two relegations they've had since our return to the top flight, it still doesn't seem to have shifted their delusions of grandeur, does it? Our record against them since 2008 - 6 Wins, 5 Draws, 6 Losses. All evens in the head-to-head stakes yet we've finished above them in the league pyramid 7 out of the last 9 seasons, so if we're a 'waste of top flight time', then heaven knows what they are. They absolutely deserved to win on Saturday, no doubt about it, but I'd hardly say that that one game reflects where the two squads are in terms of quality and ability overall.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 16:39:21 GMT
Under achiever's for donkey's years. Just laugh at them. In fact laugh out very loud! Tosser's!
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2017 23:18:48 GMT
Looks like we got under their skin. Brilliant. Haha, it's rather hilarious isn't it? Despite the two relegations they've had since our return to the top flight, it still doesn't seem to have shifted their delusions of grandeur, does it? Our record against them since 2008 - 6 Wins, 5 Draws, 6 Losses. All evens in the head-to-head stakes yet we've finished above them in the league pyramid 7 out of the last 9 seasons, so if we're a 'waste of top flight time', then heaven knows what they are. They absolutely deserved to win on Saturday, no doubt about it, but I'd hardly say that that one game reflects where the two squads are in terms of quality and ability overall. I don't agree. We had more possession and more shots on target. I accept they had more clear cut chances to score, but they (Joselu) botched them. We could very easily have had a draw had we taken our chances, most of which were from our creative football, whereas their chances were largely from our mistakes giving them the ball. I think "absolutely deserved..........no doubt....." is well out of order. We gave them an easy time and could easily have got a result.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 3:50:19 GMT
Haha, it's rather hilarious isn't it? Despite the two relegations they've had since our return to the top flight, it still doesn't seem to have shifted their delusions of grandeur, does it? Our record against them since 2008 - 6 Wins, 5 Draws, 6 Losses. All evens in the head-to-head stakes yet we've finished above them in the league pyramid 7 out of the last 9 seasons, so if we're a 'waste of top flight time', then heaven knows what they are. They absolutely deserved to win on Saturday, no doubt about it, but I'd hardly say that that one game reflects where the two squads are in terms of quality and ability overall. I don't agree. We had more possession and more shots on target. I accept they had more clear cut chances to score, but they (Joselu) botched them. We could very easily have had a draw had we taken our chances, most of which were from our creative football, whereas their chances were largely from our mistakes giving them the ball. I think "absolutely deserved..........no doubt....." is well out of order. We gave them an easy time and could easily have got a result. Could we have punished them for their profligacy? Absolutely. But if the game were the other way around I'd be saying we fully deserved the win and that it should have been by a wider margin. Possession and shots on target stats mean bugger all. The two great chances we created went high and wide yet they're the ones that mattered. We should have at least forced the keeper to make a save on both of those. But like I said, the season overall has been a positive experience so far. There's plenty of cause for optimism
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Post by thisfish on Sept 21, 2017 9:20:19 GMT
Hi lads, didn’t know how you’d react to a Newcastle fan coming on soon after our win so thought I’d hang fire a bit.
First and foremost, I hope the lads who travelled for the game had fun in the city despite the result. Atmosphere was good for a change and no doubt your lads contributed to that.
Reading the post match thoughts it seems that a few are saying that having more possession and more total shots is evidence of being the better team, or deserving a draw. Whereas I think we were good value for our win and had we met Butland on an off-day, or had Joselu been wearing his shooting boots we should really have been 3-4 goals to the good before half time (Atsu, Joselu x2, Lascelles).
The way Benitez sets us up, we’re happy to concede possession in areas that we are comfortable defending, and I honestly can’t think of a game this season where we’ve had more possession than the opposition. Even West Ham had more of the ball than us, but that was as comfortable a 3-0 as you’re likely to see. You must all have seen the BBC tweet at half time showing that you’d had 1 or 2 touches inside our box in the first half? We worked damn hard to deny you time to settle into a rhythm and the chances that did come your way in the first half were few. Says a lot that our #10 (Perez) made more tackles than anyone else on the pitch. We got about you and disrupted your system as best we could. Yes if you’d taken one of your better chances you could have got something, but by the same rationale had we taken some of our other chances we could have been further ahead.
Some random thoughts: Shaqiri is one of those players that other fans hate, but you lot must love. Niggly, infuriating, but ultimately a very talented player on his day. He reminds me of Cabaye, in a way. I expected the game to be a lot tighter, in terms of the actual football, but a combination of a good day at the office for us and a bad one for you meant the game was much more open than that. Agree with what a lot have said on here, if you’re having a bad day at the office, Zonal Marking is a big risk. It needs the players to be focussed and confident and I’m not sure that was the case against us. Thought you lot were more casual in possession than I expected a Stoke side to be. Also less committed.
Tried to write this without coming off patronising, or smug or anything, if anyone reading gets wound up that’s not the intent.
Good luck with the rest of the season lads.
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2017 10:02:54 GMT
Hi lads, didn’t know how you’d react to a Newcastle fan coming on soon after our win so thought I’d hang fire a bit. First and foremost, I hope the lads who travelled for the game had fun in the city despite the result. Atmosphere was good for a change and no doubt your lads contributed to that. Reading the post match thoughts it seems that a few are saying that having more possession and more total shots is evidence of being the better team, or deserving a draw. Whereas I think we were good value for our win and had we met Butland on an off-day, or had Joselu been wearing his shooting boots we should really have been 3-4 goals to the good before half time (Atsu, Joselu x2, Lascelles). The way Benitez sets us up, we’re happy to concede possession in areas that we are comfortable defending, and I honestly can’t think of a game this season where we’ve had more possession than the opposition. Even West Ham had more of the ball than us, but that was as comfortable a 3-0 as you’re likely to see. You must all have seen the BBC tweet at half time showing that you’d had 1 or 2 touches inside our box in the first half? We worked damn hard to deny you time to settle into a rhythm and the chances that did come your way in the first half were few. Says a lot that our #10 (Perez) made more tackles than anyone else on the pitch. We got about you and disrupted your system as best we could. Yes if you’d taken one of your better chances you could have got something, but by the same rationale had we taken some of our other chances we could have been further ahead. Some random thoughts: Shaqiri is one of those players that other fans hate, but you lot must love. Niggly, infuriating, but ultimately a very talented player on his day. He reminds me of Cabaye, in a way. I expected the game to be a lot tighter, in terms of the actual football, but a combination of a good day at the office for us and a bad one for you meant the game was much more open than that. Agree with what a lot have said on here, if you’re having a bad day at the office, Zonal Marking is a big risk. It needs the players to be focussed and confident and I’m not sure that was the case against us. Thought you lot were more casual in possession than I expected a Stoke side to be. Also less committed. Tried to write this without coming off patronising, or smug or anything, if anyone reading gets wound up that’s not the intent. Good luck with the rest of the season lads. a fair assessment I think
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