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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 16, 2017 16:54:45 GMT
Went today thought we were lucky to be just one down at the break but were much better in the second half . Defence was the difference between the two sides they defended better, we allowed them in behind us far too easily and a better side would have scored a few today . We showed good spirit and attitude but didn't look a balanced team for chunks of the game .
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2017 16:55:53 GMT
Well according to the boss we both deserved something out of that and didn't play badly! Oh well.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2017 17:00:00 GMT
60% possession and more shots than them on target. It's arguable that we 'deserved' a point, but I don't really feel we can have too many complaints.
Really, really low quality game though.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Sept 16, 2017 17:01:16 GMT
Bollocks.
End of rant!.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2017 17:04:50 GMT
Could have drawn,could have lost heavily. Poor performance,not good enough. Very disappointing.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2017 17:09:33 GMT
60% possession and more shots than them on target. It's arguable that we 'deserved' a point, but I don't really feel we can have too many complaints. Really, really low quality game though. To be honest Newcastle were considerably better than I expected - I wouldn't like to be the person trying to construct a reasoned arguement to say we were as good as them or indeed deserved anything today.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2017 17:17:19 GMT
60% possession and more shots than them on target. It's arguable that we 'deserved' a point, but I don't really feel we can have too many complaints. Really, really low quality game though. To be honest Newcastle were considerably better than I expected - I wouldn't like to be the person trying to construct a reasoned arguement to say we were as good as them or indeed deserved anything today. They were definitely the better team for the bulk of the game and Joselu could quite easily have had 4. So it's certainly hard to construct that argument! Love to know what the idea is regarding the striker position. Until we address it, we're going to struggle.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2017 17:21:06 GMT
To be honest Newcastle were considerably better than I expected - I wouldn't like to be the person trying to construct a reasoned arguement to say we were as good as them or indeed deserved anything today. They were definitely the better team for the bulk of the game and Joselu could quite easily have had 4. So it's certainly hard to construct that argument! Love to know what the idea is regarding the striker position. Until we address it, we're going to struggle. The unfashionable truth - certainly today - is that if Crouch had been on earlier we might have got something. He totally breaks up the pattern of defending the opposition have settled into.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2017 17:24:11 GMT
To be honest Newcastle were considerably better than I expected - I wouldn't like to be the person trying to construct a reasoned arguement to say we were as good as them or indeed deserved anything today. They were definitely the better team for the bulk of the game and Joselu could quite easily have had 4. So it's certainly hard to construct that argument! Love to know what the idea is regarding the striker position. Until we address it, we're going to struggle. Its funny how it is games like this, against the average teams, where we would probably expect to win, where the weaknesses are more exposed eg lack of a striker, lack of wing backs, lack of a dominant midfielder. I think we have a far better way of playing against the big boys this season. So that is a positive. But we will have major problems scoring goals against the lesser teams who sit back more. I don't think we will be in trouble this season but it could be grim again
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 16, 2017 17:24:18 GMT
Oh No, Not the beer monster, donkey jacketed geordes. I hate Newcey Brown
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 16, 2017 17:40:16 GMT
They were definitely the better team for the bulk of the game and Joselu could quite easily have had 4. So it's certainly hard to construct that argument! Love to know what the idea is regarding the striker position. Until we address it, we're going to struggle. The unfashionable truth - certainly today - is that if Crouch had been on earlier we might have got something. He totally breaks up the pattern of defending the opposition have settled into. We need to use him a lot more , he is the only real n0 9 in the club . Some say he makes the play one dimensional but I'm not sure that needs to be the case , he is an intelligent player who had played in very good sides .
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 16, 2017 17:45:56 GMT
Wimmer at fault for their second and lost Pogba for United's first.
Diouf should have hit the target with the late header. Needed to test Elliott more throughout as he's about 90.
Jese hasn't offered enough bar Arsenal unfortunately.
Ramadan isn't going to be first team quality if he carries on doing that same shit in the box.
Crouch should've come on half an hour earlier.
We looked decent enough, though, and we'll be fine this season. Desperately need 1/2 fullbacks, a centre mid and a striker as everyone knows.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 16, 2017 18:14:10 GMT
Just back home.
Very disappointing today, Newcastle were better at set pieces and Rafa exposed the weakness of having 3 CBs. They are too big and slow to turn and chase back so their fast forwards repeatedly got behind us.
The teams were separated by their GK who had an excellent game. Great goal be Shaqiri to compensate the journey in a small way.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2017 19:09:59 GMT
Not sure Jese's head was in the right place today, looked awfully quiet! Struggled to get the ball to him in positions he could do something with it.
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Post by fazza90 on Sept 16, 2017 19:20:02 GMT
How did Ramadan do when he came on and what position did he play???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 19:35:10 GMT
How did Ramadan do when he came on and what position did he play??? He played in his favoured wide-left position. He did his best Ramadan impression; always looking to take his man on, stayed strong on the ball, kept looking for space. Unfortunately his decision making remains poor. He needs to learn to release the ball sooner and be more aware of what is going on in and around the box. This (of course) should come with playing more and learning from experience - hopefully he'll get a proper run out at Bristol City this week.
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Post by The man from Utch on Sept 16, 2017 19:50:49 GMT
Some people thought they would struggle but cleaning up West Ham 3 zip and then dispatching Swansea in their own back yard means they will be in the top half when we go to St James Park next weekend. Rafa back from his operation too pulling the strings and of course Joselu (remember him?) leading the line. What's the plan? Fancy us beating them myself. When was the last time Newcastle won 3 Premiership games on the bounce?. You twat.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2017 21:02:11 GMT
How did Ramadan do when he came on and what position did he play??? He played in his favoured wide-left position. He did his best Ramadan impression; always looking to take his man on, stayed strong on the ball, kept looking for space. Unfortunately his decision making remains poor. He needs to learn to release the ball sooner and be more aware of what is going on in and around the box. This (of course) should come with playing more and learning from experience - hopefully he'll get a proper run out at Bristol City this week. he only looks up after he loses the ball
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2017 21:18:12 GMT
summer of under investment bites hard. Noting going forwards, woeful midfield , missing the old stalwarts the news boys can't hack it . Long long road to between 35 -40 points reality starts here for some . off out now but 1 point from which we probably don't deserve from 3 away tells sun road ahead , out fought outplayed out coached by. A fellow struggler .who looked miles better all ove th pitch . jesse needs time out and has done since day 1 You've got more to say for yourself this week. Can't think why.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 16, 2017 21:52:57 GMT
Just seen the goals. First two good goals, their winner all I can say is Wimmer had better learn how to jump sharpish.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 16, 2017 22:26:04 GMT
I can sum that performance up in six words. P*ss poor defending, p*ss awful finishing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 16, 2017 23:33:14 GMT
Not sure Jese's head was in the right place today, looked awfully quiet! Struggled to get the ball to him in positions he could do something with it. ....but did he make the right runs?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 17, 2017 0:02:23 GMT
Struggled to get the ball to him in positions he could do something with it. ....but did he make the right runs? I don't think he had the chance, the midfield was poor today.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 0:28:10 GMT
summer of under investment bites hard. Noting going forwards, woeful midfield , missing the old stalwarts the news boys can't hack it . Long long road to between 35 -40 points reality starts here for some . off out now but 1 point from which we probably don't deserve from 3 away tells sun road ahead , out fought outplayed out coached by. A fellow struggler .who looked miles better all ove th pitch . jesse needs time out and has done since day 1 I'm sorry Benji but we don't miss Walters and Whelan. It was time to move on as their pace was on the wain. The only player we really miss is Arnie. What I would say is that it's early days and with the games gone we're in a better place than I expected to be at the start of the season. I genuinely believe that with games under their belt the best is yet to come from Jese, Choupa and Wimmer in particular. For me none of them are fully match fit yet. We missed Cameron And shawcross today was my reference , Jesse I'm convnved is totally unsuitable fur this league , cheap but unsuitable
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 0:43:16 GMT
Nonsense needs to stop now jesse out for a time out , Diouf upfront with breahino 4,4,2 players playing in their right positions .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 3:03:09 GMT
Nonsense needs to stop now jesse out for a time out , Diouf upfront with breahino 4,4,2 players playing in their right positions . Won't happen, Benji. I think Hughes has settled on 3 at the back for the season.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 17, 2017 8:36:21 GMT
Defensively we looked shaky the whole game, but we created enough good chances to win the game too. A draw would probably have been a fair result in this game based on statistics and big chances made.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2017 9:03:10 GMT
I don't understand some of the doom and gloom and derogatory comments above, we were not as bad as some make out.
Yes it was a bad day at the office and I think we were surprised at the poor defending at times where we created most of our own problems and gave Newcastle an easy game.
The match stats tell some of the facts, we were actually better on most of them; the game could have gone either way and a draw would have been a fitting result as at Everton. Both teams missed lots of chances to score, but where Rooney made the difference at Everton, yesterday it was their GK who made the difference.
On another day, we could have been going home with 3 points and Newcastle feeling robbed, that's football. We also need to be patient and let our forwards develop an understanding which could take half a season.
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Post by hchpotter on Sept 17, 2017 9:27:21 GMT
In the context of the season, it's still 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Progress is being made and, as long as we learn from these games early in the season (considering 5 of our starting XI today have only been here for a month at most), then there's still cause for optimism. Why will we learn from yesterday? Did we learn from last week? We concede so many goals from corners but never change the way we defend them. Every single player back in the box. No one on the posts. Too many players on near side. Zonal marking. I would guess that every week the opposition coach sits down with his team, shows a video of us defending corners and plans accordingly. Meanwhile at Clayton Woods Sparkie insists Shaqiri drops back for all corners, instructs Fletcher and Allen to hold hands somewhere round the near post, and coaches the other 8 players to "just attack the ball." We are utter dross at defending set pieces and Leslie never seems inclined to do anything about it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2017 9:50:48 GMT
They were definitely the better team for the bulk of the game and Joselu could quite easily have had 4. So it's certainly hard to construct that argument! Love to know what the idea is regarding the striker position. Until we address it, we're going to struggle. Its funny how it is games like this, against the average teams, where we would probably expect to win, where the weaknesses are more exposed eg lack of a striker, lack of wing backs, lack of a dominant midfielder. I think we have a far better way of playing against the big boys this season. So that is a positive. But we will have major problems scoring goals against the lesser teams who sit back more. I don't think we will be in trouble this season but it could be grim again analyis spot except we have traded some improvement against the top six for not beating those around us our only redemmimg feature last year . We are heading for trouble with this squad no doubt about it and that's not the mangers issue Delph , lemina , Redmond , soares all on His list would be material improvements in key areas uwhere we've gone for free , injury prone or best guess on the basis of frugal . Ramadan. Jesse both badly exposed again yesterday . However using what he has is his issue Diouf and or berahino simply have to start up top in their proper position. .
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