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Post by thisfish on Jul 29, 2017 10:42:08 GMT
8 sides have spent less than £20m, which you could surpass with one signing. There's still 4 and a bit weeks left. Your squad is still significantly stronger than Brighton, Huddersfield, Burnley, Newcastle etc. I wouldn't wet the bed just yet.
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Post by Mr Chairman on Jul 29, 2017 10:57:34 GMT
I make the prediction that come end of season, when stoke finishes in top half (or 2 points away), we will be thrilled with Fletcher and one or two of our young talents. The side will show more energy and enthusiasm than we have seen for several years. That said, the team is working hard to find the right players at the right price. I personally am of the view that the Chairman - a shrewd businessman - is managing the side in the most sustainable fashion. Sometimes we will have bigger signings - shame about Imbula. But the investment in academy over the last several years will start to pay off. Manager is a proven winner - last season the first outside of top half in a dozen years as manager (where he managed beginning to end of season). Stoke are in great shape, but we are all hoping for a bit better excitement and form in 2017/2018 campaign. I am confident we will all be pleased. I will repost around X-mas when we are in the bottom three and Hughes is being hired by Swansea.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 11:00:07 GMT
Mr. Coates have said that we will buy players before Everton game. I think we will not spend money before the two last week of the transfer window. But time will show.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jul 29, 2017 11:41:23 GMT
WE! How much you chipping in?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 29, 2017 12:03:38 GMT
How many transfers in to PL clubs were there last week? Very few I believe, Hernandez, Arnie, Bardsley, a young midfielder to Newcastle, Danilo, maybe a couple more but not many. And of those, I would argue both Arnie and Hernandez are gambles given the money involved. The market is still forming, waiting on the rich clubs to start the ball rolling.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 29, 2017 13:14:33 GMT
Nah I'm not apologising to say that I don't buy into that one shred. We are talking about absolute unknowns here. They've never been on loan to prove they could hack it in Leagues One or Two, if Sparky thinks they can be seamlessly dropped straight into the Premier League then fair play to him; but to not field a full 25 man squad on top of that is an horrendous, pointless, high-stakes, low payout gamble. It's the same as Pulis not taking a full bench to Valencia. Ludicrous to even consider by anyone with a scrap of common sense. Bournemouth seemed to find it easy enough early in the market , right now we are saying we had a plan not to spend a penny until we sold Arnie its mind boggling negligent , and now eve £25m we didn't know what to do , I'm actually consideing giving my seeing tickets back , not fior cost but on the principal I've no affiliation with the commercial management that's strangling our club infront our eyes . I bet the people sitting around you have their fingers and toes crossed!
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Post by davyboy on Jul 30, 2017 9:23:53 GMT
Why is it that we seem unable to clinch deals. Compare with Everton. They got their deals done before they sold Lukaku. Now if they want players you can bet the price will rise with £90 m in the bank. Same applies to us. With £24 mill in the bank from Arnie the price will rise when we ask. Why oh why has the Bruno deal not been tied up. If Porto want £5 mill we should pay it. He is worth it in this inflated market. Man City have a cheek asking £14 mill for a player they paid £8 mill for and who has only played 7 games last season!! On Imbula, I cannot understand why club is not selling at a reduced price. We need him off the books, because Hughes has made it clear there is no future for him at Stoke and I agree. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses!! Come on Cartwright and Scholes get your arse in gear!!
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Post by StokeyMan on Jul 30, 2017 9:45:58 GMT
Why is it that we seem unable to clinch deals. Compare with Everton. They got their deals done before they sold Lukaku. Now if they want players you can bet the price will rise with £90 m in the bank. Same applies to us. With £24 mill in the bank from Arnie the price will rise when we ask. Why oh why has the Bruno deal not been tied up. If Porto want £5 mill we should pay it. He is worth it in this inflated market. Man City have a cheek asking £14 mill for a player they paid £8 mill for and who has only played 7 games last season!! On Imbula, I cannot understand why club is not selling at a reduced price. We need him off the books, because Hughes has made it clear there is no future for him at Stoke and I agree. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses!! Come on Cartwright and Scholes get your arse in gear!! So you want us to pay what the selling clubs want, and sell for what the buying clubs want to pay? What kind of message does that send?
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 1, 2017 20:49:45 GMT
Bump
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Post by alster on Aug 1, 2017 20:57:37 GMT
Why bump it 6 pages and nobody knows. Only the people who own and run the club can really have any idea why they have decided they can opt out of the market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:00:17 GMT
Real life ≠ FIFA
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 1, 2017 21:04:43 GMT
I just think its a valid question to ask in the first place, and to bump when it almost disappears. I'm a passinate Stoke fan, like yourself, and I feel after last seasons fiasco, we have to ask questions.
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Post by bigvern on Aug 1, 2017 21:07:28 GMT
Hughes hasn't really been backed since taking over from Pulis. Palace spent more last year than hughes has in his 5 seasons so far.
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Post by alster on Aug 1, 2017 21:31:23 GMT
I just think its a valid question to ask in the first place, and to bump when it almost disappears. I'm a passinate Stoke fan, like yourself, and I feel after last seasons fiasco, we have to ask questions. I think the fans in the main are asking questions however no answers are forthcoming. They won't freshen things up by spending or bringing in fresh ideas. They appear to be massively complacent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:33:33 GMT
It is frightening!
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 1, 2017 21:35:15 GMT
' They appear to be massively complacent' , you mean the management?
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 1, 2017 21:39:35 GMT
So my post (and bump) is valid? on a football message forum?
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Post by alster on Aug 1, 2017 21:53:26 GMT
' They appear to be massively complacent' , you mean the management? Management, owners. They seem to have no comprehension of how poor we have been for a sustained period and therefore don't seem to see any grave need to make the necessary changes/improvements. Its a very valid question I was just pointing out that non of us have the answer, many are concerned but the club just seem impervious to it all.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 1, 2017 22:00:12 GMT
alster, i did not want to be sensational,etc, regarding my original post, I, think my views mirrors yours, and im very concerned. Lets be honest, i dont like to swear on a forum, but last year was f____ng s__t.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 1, 2017 22:08:03 GMT
The size and stature of our club appears to make it difficult to conclude deals for players who are the level above what we have - on the other hand we are a godsend to agents looking to agitate other clubs into finalising deals for their clients. We get strung along and eventually end up having to pitch in for players at a lower level or in an earlier stage of their development. You need a crash hot recruitment team to get this right - Southampton seem to have had it mastered and Leicester had a brief period where everything they touched turned to gold - and I don't think we have.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 1, 2017 23:23:50 GMT
Why is it that we seem unable to clinch deals. Compare with Everton. They got their deals done before they sold Lukaku. Now if they want players you can bet the price will rise with £90 m in the bank. Same applies to us. With £24 mill in the bank from Arnie the price will rise when we ask. Why oh why has the Bruno deal not been tied up. If Porto want £5 mill we should pay it. He is worth it in this inflated market. Man City have a cheek asking £14 mill for a player they paid £8 mill for and who has only played 7 games last season!! On Imbula, I cannot understand why club is not selling at a reduced price. We need him off the books, because Hughes has made it clear there is no future for him at Stoke and I agree. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses!! Come on Cartwright and Scholes get your arse in gear!! Deals? What deals?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2017 7:00:22 GMT
It's pretty simple, we don't have the will or the skill to get money away in the current market.
If things aren't reassessed we're going down and that's that.
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Post by MrFlirty on Aug 2, 2017 7:41:31 GMT
Its frustrating not spending but if not spending is because we are waiting for the right players then that's ok. From a footballing point of view there is just no time for players to gel in to a team if new players join a few days before the season starts, especially with the opening few games we have.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 2, 2017 7:42:33 GMT
It's pretty simple, we don't have the will or the skill to get money away in the current market. If things aren't reassessed we're going down and that's that. bullseye and been coming for 4 or 5 windows as we have lost out on key younger appreciating targets Keane , Soarses , Redmond and taken cast offs and huge risks in non competitive situations because they were cheaper Imbula Berahino , some terrible judgement been applied . We approach everthing from the deluded view that to buy well is to buy cheap , LUkaku the most obvious proof that to but well in an appreciating market is to buy quality and proven , £27m to anything between 75 and 90 amd refinancing a whole team rebuild .
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Post by Gods on Aug 2, 2017 7:42:46 GMT
It's pretty simple, we don't have the will or the skill to get money away in the current market. If things aren't reassessed we're going down and that's that. I do agree if you take Arnie, Bruno, Walters, Whelan and Bardo out of last seasons team and add in only Fletcher and Zouma (I don't think the new full back from Hull is a starter) then we will be sailing perilously close to the wind unless some unlikely heroes emerge from somewhere but I wouldn't be betting the bank on the youth set up. I still think we will make at least 2 big'ish signings, we have to don't we?
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Aug 2, 2017 8:16:14 GMT
Funny that Leicester winning the prem league recently has fucked it up for all other clubs of that size. The big boys have reacted and the transfer market has become so inflated that we either promote from within or risk everything.
This league we are in is more unbalanced than ever before.
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Post by philb on Aug 2, 2017 8:19:49 GMT
WE! How much you chipping in? If the fans did we might actually sign someone 😂
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Post by jeycov on Aug 2, 2017 8:27:10 GMT
Its frustrating not spending but if not spending is because we are waiting for the right players then that's ok. From a footballing point of view there is just no time for players to gel in to a team if new players join a few days before the season starts, especially with the opening few games we have. Apart from some of the ridiculous amounts involved in a few transfers so far, I get the impression that several similar clubs have not ben very active in this window? Everton, West Ham and to a lesser extent Bournemouth have been spending quite freely, but others seem to be waiting for "apples to drop" If players are not available, the clubs are being very awkward, players don't want to come here, what else can we do? ( other than pay over the odds just to make a signing )
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 2, 2017 8:53:03 GMT
Denise has put her foot down with her Father.
Peter Coates has lost it, and forgot he owns Stoke City.
Peter Coates liked the way he ran Stoke City 1st. time round and decided to revert back to it.
BET 365 Will continue to make money hand over fist, whichever division Stoke are in, so why splash the cash.
Peter Coates does not trust Hughes with large amounts of money,in which case, replace him.
Peter Coates thinks we can stay in the Premiership on a shoestring.
Peter Coates and M Hughes know the players we need and are waiting for the last minute before bringing them in, for reasons only they know.
When it comes down to it. I haven't got a clue why the club are not spending,neither have any of us,the only ones who know are not going to tell us anyway.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Aug 2, 2017 9:09:10 GMT
Coates needs to think what he wants SCFC to become. We either spend minimal amount and we become relegation fodder and yoyo club at best, or investment and try our best to get closer to the top 6. That cannot happen on a budget.
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