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Post by professorplump on Jul 27, 2017 21:26:18 GMT
I think Hughes was deliberately playing down the situation. It's not a very clever bargaining tactic to tell people that you have lots of money to spend.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jul 27, 2017 21:29:29 GMT
Hughes must know we need a good season or there is a chance he'll be out on his fucking ear. I love Stoke, but absolutely hate the shit starts to the season, and the mediocrity near the end. We have been capable of sixth or seventh on occasion, but fuck it up with poor starts and/or shit finishes. Frustrating.
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Post by Davef on Jul 27, 2017 21:34:00 GMT
Wait until the window is shut. If we haven't spent then ask the same question*. If we have, sit back and enjoy the season. *Hughes said we were very active in the market before we lost Arnautovic. We now have more money to play with. Relax. He has also said their will be no big money signings. How much is big money? If you're talking about Sparky's Sky interview, his exact comment was "We're not a club who's going to throw huge amounts of money at it". Does anyone know what Mark Hughes's interpretation of "huge money" is? Our record signing is £18M, so he's not exactly saying anything extraordinary is he? There will be money spent, just not on the biblical scale that some Premier League teams are spending and what some of the more deluded amongst our support are demanding.
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Post by stokie1082 on Jul 27, 2017 21:34:59 GMT
With the money we are getting from Marko and the rest we should be able to get some decent player(s)
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jul 27, 2017 21:38:42 GMT
With the money we are getting from Marko and the rest we should be able to get some decent player(s) If you spend 25-30 mill on a player, they are not going to be happy on 70k a week. That's the bigger problem.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 27, 2017 21:40:54 GMT
Given the following (I'm sure you'll correct me should I be wrong ):
- Our habit of diabolical starts to the season
- Significant advanced notice of a particularly tough start for the coming season
- Significant advanced notice that Arnie was going to submit a transfer request
- A willingness to part with good squad (though aging) players before you have acquired able replacements
- Advanced knowledge that you may have already played up to 3 games before you finalise any transfers in which in turn prolongs any "bedding in" period
- It is important for players, fans, staff etc. to start the season with optimism
- That right now our squad is arguably weaker than it was at the end of last season
- Knicker wetting is arguably preferable to "head in the sand"
.....then I'd say we appear to have a problem.
I have my tin hat on.
We do have a weird way of doing things, not alone in that but Bournemouth who are hardly rolling in it seem to get most of their business done in plenty of time for the start of the season
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Jul 27, 2017 21:57:55 GMT
so, wheres the money for arnie going?, lets face it, we were poor last season. Who is going to score us goals.?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:59:18 GMT
so, wheres the money for arnie going?, lets face it, we were poor last season. Who is going to score us goals.? All will be revealed in the next 5 (FIVE) weeks....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2017 22:05:51 GMT
He has also said their will be no big money signings. How much is big money? If you're talking about Sparky's Sky interview, his exact comment was "We're not a club who's going to throw huge amounts of money at it". Does anyone know what Mark Hughes's interpretation of "huge money" is? Our record signing is £18M, so he's not exactly saying anything extraordinary is he? There will be money spent, just not on the biblical scale that some Premier League teams are spending and what some of the more deluded amongst our support are demanding. A Biblical scale signing maybe what's needed, dave, to quieten things down. There's at leat £50M in the bank?
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jul 27, 2017 22:08:26 GMT
Don't worry, we have apples in the fire and are waiting for the irons to drop.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 22:28:50 GMT
Don't worry, we have apples in the fire and are waiting for the irons to drop. And every silver lining has a cloud
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Post by armitagestokie on Jul 27, 2017 22:34:11 GMT
I was worried last season and we finished lucky. I'm worrying worse this season and feel our luck might run out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 22:38:20 GMT
I was worried last season and we finished lucky. I'm worrying worse this season and feel our luck might run out. Missed 8th place by a whisker. I would be worried if we escaped relegation by a whisker.
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Post by stokie1082 on Jul 27, 2017 22:41:20 GMT
What about we try to get Musa from Leicester he is quick and has everything we need. Only around 15mil as well.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Jul 27, 2017 22:45:08 GMT
Come on pturner, it was rubbish last season, u must admit?
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Post by kustokie on Jul 27, 2017 22:50:42 GMT
If you're talking about Sparky's Sky interview, his exact comment was "We're not a club who's going to throw huge amounts of money at it". Does anyone know what Mark Hughes's interpretation of "huge money" is? Our record signing is £18M, so he's not exactly saying anything extraordinary is he? There will be money spent, just not on the biblical scale that some Premier League teams are spending and what some of the more deluded amongst our support are demanding. A Biblical scale signing maybe what's needed, dave, to quieten things down. There's at leat £50M in the bank? One mega signing isn't going to fix things because we have too many holes to plug, especially in the defense. We have to replace Pieters, and Johnson and we need a right winger or wing-back to free up Shaqiri to play in the middle. We also need either a back-up or a replacement for Shawcross, who from all accounts hasn't done well pre-season. Getting in Martins Indi would make a huge difference, even if it did relegate Shawcross to the bench. Otherwise, the reserve CBs are Cameron and Wollscheid.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 27, 2017 22:52:48 GMT
I was worried last season and we finished lucky. I'm worrying worse this season and feel our luck might run out. Missed 8th place by a whisker. I would be worried if we escaped relegation by a whisker. We'd have finished bottom for sure if we'd played all season the way we finished.
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Post by stokie1082 on Jul 27, 2017 22:59:07 GMT
Missed 8th place by a whisker. I would be worried if we escaped relegation by a whisker. We'd have finished bottom for sure if we'd played all season the way we finished. Beating Southampton didn't really do anything in the table. We only play well when the match is kind of pointless.
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 27, 2017 23:10:40 GMT
Small town mentality. Its going to bite us on the arse this year if the board dont give their heads a wobble and wake up. If coates cares about being in the premiere league he has to recognise what the competition are doing just like any other business you have to stay competetive or sink.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 23:13:47 GMT
Missed 8th place by a whisker. I would be worried if we escaped relegation by a whisker. We'd have finished bottom for sure if we'd played all season the way we finished. "Ifs" are predictive words. No one knows what would happens IF other contingencies occurred. The "if" didn't happen - why worry about it? Sport doesn't comply to "models" as does business. Sport is unpredictable, maybe that is why people like it. What "if" we start the next season as we finished the last? I just don't see the point in worrying about that until happens. We may get off to a real flying start.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2017 23:32:18 GMT
They are supposed to be reinvesting all the 25mill from arnie at least and anything from imbula? Your probably spot on but there are two flaws 1 That suggests the plan was to invest zero incrementally in one of the worst performing squads in the last 6 months of the premier league 2 assumes the transfer team can actually put such deals in place when scholes clearly indicated it's a surprise , they struggle with 6 months notice . All points to a last minute trolley dash for free , loans and bargains off the back of another disastrous start . No it doesn't what it suggests is they won't just pocket it, im unhappy with the state of the squad too but lets not start chatting shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 0:04:02 GMT
They are supposed to be reinvesting all the 25mill from arnie at least and anything from imbula? Apparently we're only getting £20M for Arnie now. The remainder may follow if he produces well enough for them to keep him longer than a year.
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 28, 2017 0:12:40 GMT
They are supposed to be reinvesting all the 25mill from arnie at least and anything from imbula? Apparently we're only getting £20M for Arnie now. The remainder may follow if he produces well enough for them to keep him longer than a year. We are only getting 20mil then.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 28, 2017 0:19:30 GMT
Back to the OP. I am more than a bit suspicious that the problem may not be a reluctance to spend money but a reluctance of the players we are looking at to see Stoke as an exciting team to play for. Especially after our best player quit and we have been unable to sign Martins Indi.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 28, 2017 0:20:54 GMT
Apparently we're only getting £20M for Arnie now. The remainder may follow if he produces well enough for them to keep him longer than a year. We are only getting 20mil then. I understood it was an additional 4 million if WHU qualified for the Europa League.
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Post by senojbor on Jul 28, 2017 1:05:44 GMT
I was worried last season and we finished lucky. I'm worrying worse this season and feel our luck might run out. Missed 8th place by a whisker. I would be worried if we escaped relegation by a whisker. What earth are you on? Had we not won the final game we would have finished with the same points as Crystal Palace and Swansea who had dreadful seasons fighting relegation. You need to wake up bud
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Post by senojbor on Jul 28, 2017 1:07:15 GMT
There is no chance of Coates trusting Hughes with big money transfers after his last three dud signings
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Post by pottarius on Jul 28, 2017 1:40:10 GMT
There is no chance of Coates trusting Hughes with big money transfers after his last three dud signings I think you're probably right, but it kind of makes the decision to keep him as manager puzzling to say the least Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 4:02:37 GMT
We are probably still monitoring on who to spend it on.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 28, 2017 4:36:10 GMT
Back to the OP. I am more than a bit suspicious that the problem may not be a reluctance to spend money but a reluctance of the players we are looking at to see Stoke as an exciting team to play for. Especially after our best player quit and we have been unable to sign Martins Indi. In addition to what you've said, when you look at the clubs that aren't challenging for the title, it's only really Everton that have spent loads and they have a rich investor. West Ham have thanks to the Arnautovic signing but that money has obviously gone to us and is to be reinvested in players. I agree as much as anyone else that we need to bring in players or we'll really struggle next season but I agree with you that it won't be completely down to us not wanting to spend money. The only thing I've found really disappointing up to now is the Bruno mess. At one point, there was a prospect of Zouma Shawcross and Bruno playing together in a back three which would have been brilliant to see but, while we got one, the other is looking far less likely now.
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