SCFC12
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Post by SCFC12 on May 26, 2017 22:21:03 GMT
Is it just Hughes who's fucking everything up or is our lack of investment compared to other clubs the reason that we've gone backwards. We seem to have a small club mentality and all the board members seem old with a lack of fresh ideas.
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:23:30 GMT
Controversial post. Element of truth.
The Chairman's total faith in Scholes is a major issue IMHO.
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Post by SCFC12 on May 26, 2017 22:27:05 GMT
He's probably been our best ever owner. However, He also doesn't seem to trust Hughes anymore but is afraid to get rid of him and that is why he doesn't plan on giving him a bigger budget. IMO if he doesn't 100 percent trust Hughes, SACK HIM.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 26, 2017 22:28:00 GMT
No. Shitbin.
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:30:05 GMT
it's a legitimate question. |
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Post by crapslinger on May 26, 2017 22:31:55 GMT
Is it just Hughes who's fucking everything up or is our lack of investment compared to other clubs the reason that we've gone backwards. We seem to have a small club mentality and all the board members seem old with a lack of fresh ideas. Like the squad you mean old slow, a manager who keeps handing out new contracts to the old guard no fresh ideas  yep ! seems consistent enough with our current situation. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 26, 2017 22:32:00 GMT
it's a legitimate question. Okay. Then no. Of course he's not a problem. He's brought us up to the Premier League with his millions and has stabilized us there with excellent managerial decisions and shrewd investment. We are super lucky. If you were Peter Coates right now and saw this thread how would you feel? |
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 26, 2017 22:34:05 GMT
I'd never even in the slightest considered him a problem in the past.
I do find it very concerning the contracts that are being handed out though.
We're crying out for dramatic changes. We're crying out for an injection of youth.
All we're doing is giving new contracts out to players in the twilight of their careers.
I can't believe this is entirely Hughes' strategy.
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:34:57 GMT
it's a legitimate question. Okay. Then no. Of course he's not a problem. He's brought us up to the Premier League with his millions and has stabilized us there with excellent managerial decisions and shrewd investment. We are super lucky. If you were Peter Coates right now and saw this thread how would you feel? I'd see my CUSTOMERS having concerns about the way the club is run, results, recruitment, marketing, revenue streams etc etc etc. |
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Post by shangamuzo on May 26, 2017 22:35:32 GMT
Is it just Hughes who's fucking everything up or is our lack of investment compared to other clubs the reason that we've gone backwards. We seem to have a small club mentality and all the board members seem old with a lack of fresh ideas. I don't believe anybody with the wealth Coates now has would have been remotely interested in owning Stoke City FC. Although he is a business man first and foremost, it's possible he has a touch too much hubris to admit he got it wrong with Hughes. For the time being anyway. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 26, 2017 22:37:09 GMT
Okay. Then no. Of course he's not a problem. He's brought us up to the Premier League with his millions and has stabilized us there with excellent managerial decisions and shrewd investment. We are super lucky. If you were Peter Coates right now and saw this thread how would you feel? I'd see my CUSTOMERS having concerns about the way the club is run, results, recruitment, marketing, revenue streams etc etc etc. Correct. And I'm sure he does. That doesn't necessarily lead to the sacking of a manager though. One that has led us to 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th in his 4 seasons in charge. Interesting how people are now all starting to sound like Benjaminbiscuit, the person they mocked for many months. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 22:38:58 GMT
it's a legitimate question. Okay. Then no. Of course he's not a problem. He's brought us up to the Premier League with his millions and has stabilized us there with excellent managerial decisions and shrewd investment. We are super lucky. If you were Peter Coates right now and saw this thread how would you feel? I'd open another bottle of Veuve Clicquot Champagne, curse you all then shut the laptop down before snorting coke off the breasts of my 24 year old Swedish girlfriend. Obviously that's if I was Peter Coates..... |
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:39:13 GMT
I'd see my CUSTOMERS having concerns about the way the club is run, results, recruitment, marketing, revenue streams etc etc etc. Correct. And I'm sure he does. That doesn't necessarily lead to the sacking of a manager though. One that has led us to 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th in his 4 seasons in charge. Interesting how people are now all starting to sound like Benjaminbiscuit, the person they mocked for many months. I'm not one of those calling for the manager's head. |
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Post by shangamuzo on May 26, 2017 22:39:29 GMT
I'd see my CUSTOMERS having concerns about the way the club is run, results, recruitment, marketing, revenue streams etc etc etc. Correct. And I'm sure he does. That doesn't necessarily lead to the sacking of a manager though. One that has led us to 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th in his 4 seasons in charge. Interesting how people are now all starting to sound like Benjaminbiscuit, the person they mocked for many months. Three 9th's with a load of TP signings playing big roles. |
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:40:19 GMT
Correct. And I'm sure he does. That doesn't necessarily lead to the sacking of a manager though. One that has led us to 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th in his 4 seasons in charge. Interesting how people are now all starting to sound like Benjaminbiscuit, the person they mocked for many months. Three 9th's with a load of TP signings playing big roles. Why didn't TP get the same results then? |
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 26, 2017 22:41:05 GMT
Okay. Then no. Of course he's not a problem. He's brought us up to the Premier League with his millions and has stabilized us there with excellent managerial decisions and shrewd investment. We are super lucky. If you were Peter Coates right now and saw this thread how would you feel? I'd open another bottle of Veuve Clicquot Champagne, curse you all then shut the laptop down before snorting coke off the breasts of my 24 year old Swedish girlfriend. Obviously that's if I was Peter Coates..... And that's why I love my home town. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 22:41:42 GMT
Three 9th's with a load of TP signings playing big roles. Why didn't TP get the same results then? He was merely getting them warmed up for the big push to the top half of the table. It's all down to Pulis..... |
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Post by shangamuzo on May 26, 2017 22:42:42 GMT
Three 9th's with a load of TP signings playing big roles. Why didn't TP get the same results then? He might have done if hadn't been sacked. |
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Post by wuzza on May 26, 2017 22:42:46 GMT
Has there ever been any official line as to why , with more money than ever rolling into the coffers over the past few years , we are looking to buck the trend of virtually every other club and spend less?
This self sufficiency line always was a bit pie in the sky unless you have the sort of productive youth 'conveyer belt' which we are still a million miles off and, if the truth be told, only really applies to one club - Southampton.
I've never heard Mr Coates be asked a direct question on the subject.
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:42:54 GMT
Why didn't TP get the same results then? He was merely getting them warmed up for the big push to the top half of the table. It's all down to Pulis..... Oh the dossier... if only, if only... |
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:43:13 GMT
Why didn't TP get the same results then? He might have done if hadn't been sacked. Lol, bollocks. |
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Post by shangamuzo on May 26, 2017 22:44:33 GMT
He might have done if hadn't been sacked. Lol, bollocks. That's a great come back. Not. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 26, 2017 22:45:01 GMT
Has there ever been any official line as to why , with more money than ever rolling into the coffers over the past few years , we are looking to buck the trend of virtually every other club and spend less? This self sufficiency line always was a bit pie in the sky unless you have the sort of productive youth 'conveyer belt' which we are still a million miles off and, if the truth be told, only really applies to one club - Southampton. I've never heard Mr Coates be asked a direct question on the subject. Because we have a manager spending 18 million on Imbula and 12 million on Berahino while bringing in better players for less money? |
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:45:42 GMT
That's a great come back. Not. It's the one your post deserved. He was taking the same players backwards ffs. |
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Post by Royal Donut on May 26, 2017 22:46:22 GMT
Every team seems to have increased their spending while we look to be decreasing if anything.
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Post by shangamuzo on May 26, 2017 22:47:18 GMT
That's a great come back. Not. It's the one you're post deserved. He was taking the same players backwards ffs. So where is Hughes taking them then ? Forwards with 44pts ? |
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 22:48:21 GMT
It's the one you're post deserved. He was taking the same players backwards ffs. So where is Hughes taking them then ? Forwards with 44pts ? No, he's having a shitter to and must do better. Toxic ain't coming back mate, get over it. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 26, 2017 22:54:15 GMT
Seems to be caught between a rock and a hard place.
Stick or twist?
There is no point in changing for changing sake however if a next level manager becomes available he will act in my opinion.
Very early days currently though so patience is needed and let's see where we are come the middle to end of June.
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Post by shangamuzo on May 26, 2017 22:54:44 GMT
So where is Hughes taking them then ? Forwards with 44pts ? No, he's having a shitter to and must do better. Toxic ain't coming back mate, get over it. Well they sacked Pulis for a similar under-performing season. If every football club did that every closed season there'd be list of managerial vacancies longer than a baboons arm. One of my biggest worries with Hughes is that he couldn't sign a decent striker to save his fuckin life. Still relying on a 36 year old (TP signing) to get us the goals. |
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Post by wuzza on May 26, 2017 22:55:08 GMT
Has there ever been any official line as to why , with more money than ever rolling into the coffers over the past few years , we are looking to buck the trend of virtually every other club and spend less? This self sufficiency line always was a bit pie in the sky unless you have the sort of productive youth 'conveyer belt' which we are still a million miles off and, if the truth be told, only really applies to one club - Southampton. I've never heard Mr Coates be asked a direct question on the subject. Because we have a manager spending 18 million on Imbula and 12 million on Berahino while bringing in better players for less money? Can't be that because if they wanted to spend but felt the management team wasn't up to it they would simply get shot of the said team. The amounts you quote are small potatoes even by mid table PL standards and Imbula's outlay is a bit of a distant memory now. It's an odd approach and with our downward momentum of the last couple of years but it looks like we lack the will to change it. Perhaps Coates feels the race has been run now and a pragmatic step backwards with his finances relatively in tact is called for. You can half see where this is coming from because the last season has shown we are nowhere near being a trophy winning side and any sort of investment short of about 50 million isn't really likely to produce much difference. |
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yep ! seems consistent enough with our current situation.
