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Post by mickmacc on Apr 30, 2017 17:38:06 GMT
I turned it off as I couldn't be arsed to listen to it. My take on it is its been a mega frustrating season. A win yesterday (which we deserved) and we would be sitting 2 points off 8th! We're in amongst a cluster of clubs who have underachieved and also amongst clubs that have over achieved. That's how it's always going be. Our ceiling realistically is probably 7/8th, unless we make serious investments. Hughes and his team have all said they've not hit there targets, it happens. However 3 9th placed finishes have earned him a crack at putting it right IMO! Roll on next season, Butland back, Saido looking sharper every game, Ramadan will get more chances, Indi will sign. We are 3 or 4 players from a excellent side. I'm backing Hughes to get it right. Saido is 'not looking sharper every game' He's looking the same every game. Shit
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 30, 2017 17:41:13 GMT
I turned it off as I couldn't be arsed to listen to it. My take on it is its been a mega frustrating season. A win yesterday (which we deserved) and we would be sitting 2 points off 8th! We're in amongst a cluster of clubs who have underachieved and also amongst clubs that have over achieved. That's how it's always going be. Our ceiling realistically is probably 7/8th, unless we make serious investments. Hughes and his team have all said they've not hit there targets, it happens. However 3 9th placed finishes have earned him a crack at putting it right IMO! Roll on next season, Butland back, Saido looking sharper every game, Ramadan will get more chances, Indi will sign. We are 3 or 4 players from a excellent side. I'm backing Hughes to get it right. Saido is 'not looking sharper every game' He's looking the same every game. Shit Why do you and other so-called supporters want his guy to fail?
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Post by trigger on Apr 30, 2017 17:42:28 GMT
We, they, don't mate but he isn't fit to lace SJW laces.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 30, 2017 17:43:40 GMT
We, they, don't mate but he isn't fit to lace SJW laces. Bollocks. He's been at the club 5 minutes.
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Post by trigger on Apr 30, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
Obviously so but when SJW came on against Hull the game changed massively and 100% why we took the three points.
I really hope he goes on to become a legend, I really do but not a chance in a million years with Hughes's approach and management.
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Post by songthrush01 on Apr 30, 2017 17:49:20 GMT
I think people underestimate the power of this football club. The Coates family are worth billions! (and rising!) If they decided they wanted to get someone like Benitez/Mancini and supply the funding to take this club to the next level then it is well within their powers. Now whether they actually want to do that or are content with the current level is a different matter entirely, but if we end up slipping down to 12th-16th with out lowest points tally since Hughes arrived then clearly that would be below par. Talk of the likes of Moyes and Pearson though...I think I'd rather stick with Hughes. I'm not saying they're bad managers but I don't think they're better than what we already have. We need someone who can organise the defence whilst having a decent idea of how to fit our talented attackers into systems, and someone who knows how to develop youth. These are all areas where Hughes is failing but if we bring someone in those are the attributes we should be focusing on. It's a tough ask to find a suitable manager but, as has already been mentioned it's not our job to find the guy. you are dead right and wrote it better than me.i dont think they have that ambition and to me its more deeper than the manager,it feels like newcastle with mike ashley who uses the football for the benefit of his business.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 17:55:03 GMT
Saido is 'not looking sharper every game' He's looking the same every game. Shit Why do you and other so-called supporters want his guy to fail? You're not still banging that handbag flailing nonsense again are you?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 30, 2017 17:57:21 GMT
Why do you and other so-called supporters want his guy to fail? You're not still banging that handbag flailing nonsense again are you? It's 100% a fact. I've heard it at the ground and you read it here. People were even baiting him on Twatter last night. Yes, our own so-called magnificent support wading into our new signing. Vermin.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Apr 30, 2017 18:00:28 GMT
Imagine if we were bottom in November with Mancini in charge, he wouldn't have a fuckin clue
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 30, 2017 18:11:07 GMT
Quite right!
He's slowly slowly slowly changing the perception of how players fans the media.. Everyone... Views stoke city
That's what's important, not whether we finish 9th 12th or 14th
Good players want to join clubs on the up. Not clubs on the way down. And eventually it will become a problem.
Aston villa weren't relegated straight away because they were percieved to be on the way down and nor were Sunderland. But they were in the end. Because they Couldn't get good players to join them.
Maybe the fans aren't clueless? Maybe they sense hughes is storing up problems for tomorrow? And that's why they want change today???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 18:21:41 GMT
You're not still banging that handbag flailing nonsense again are you? It's 100% a fact. I've heard it at the ground and you read it here. People were even baiting him on Twatter last night. Yes, our own so-called magnificent support wading into our new signing. Vermin. I've heard none of it at the ground but I don't do Twitter so can't comment on what gets said on there. I haven't seen or heard any "proper" stoke fans saying that they want him to fail though, and I know you're only putting two and two together because nobody on here has ever said this either,well not as far as I've seen anyway. Just because people question his worth to the side and certain people think he's been a shit signing so far doesn't mean they want him to fail does it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 18:55:31 GMT
I turned it off as I couldn't be arsed to listen to it. My take on it is its been a mega frustrating season. A win yesterday (which we deserved) and we would be sitting 2 points off 8th! We're in amongst a cluster of clubs who have underachieved and also amongst clubs that have over achieved. That's how it's always going be. Our ceiling realistically is probably 7/8th, unless we make serious investments. Hughes and his team have all said they've not hit there targets, it happens. However 3 9th placed finishes have earned him a crack at putting it right IMO! Roll on next season, Butland back, Saido looking sharper every game, Ramadan will get more chances, Indi will sign. We are 3 or 4 players from a excellent side. I'm backing Hughes to get it right. Saido is 'not looking sharper every game' He's looking the same every game. Shit Now you know that is complete utter bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 19:00:24 GMT
We, they, don't mate but he isn't fit to lace SJW laces. When is your DVD out? Comedy gold.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2017 19:01:01 GMT
Saido is 'not looking sharper every game' He's looking the same every game. Shit Now you know that is complete utter bollocks. It isn't, mate. He lumbers about like a player whose best days were a long long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:25:16 GMT
Now you know that is complete utter bollocks. It isn't, mate. He lumbers about like a player whose best days were a long long time ago. That turn and shot yesterday nearly brought the house down mate it was awesome. Each game you can see him becoming sharper, more alert and he's a strong lad. This lad will be a huge success here I guarantee you
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Post by liamo on Apr 30, 2017 20:33:37 GMT
Bit unfair using Berahino as a stick to beat Hughes with, it's far far too early to be giving him shit, he's come here and he's improving every minute, he's lost over a stone already and is looking better every game
Hughes has made plenty of questionable decisions but let's not go overboard
Did you expect a rusty strker to come here and bang 15 in in 20 games or what?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 30, 2017 20:35:31 GMT
Now you know that is complete utter bollocks. It isn't, mate. He lumbers about like a player whose best days were a long long time ago. Walters to a tee.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 30, 2017 20:36:22 GMT
We, they, don't mate but he isn't fit to lace SJW laces. When is your DVD out? Comedy gold. He must be referring to UJW's rugby boots.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 30, 2017 20:49:03 GMT
I can't think of a single reason why the Coates family would want Hughes in charge next season, he is without a calamity wating to happen next season, attrocious management. The fact you cannot think of a single reason doesn't mean anything. You and many others have no idea of what constitutes the management of a modern football club. You need to be able to better handle disappointment and not spit your dummy when things don't go according to plan. Life's a bitch, ain't it when it now and again spits in your face. When the going gets tough, etc etc etc?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 30, 2017 21:35:49 GMT
I can't think of a single reason why the Coates family would want Hughes in charge next season, he is without a calamity wating to happen next season, attrocious management. The fact you cannot think of a single reason doesn't mean anything. You and many others have no idea of what constitutes the management of a modern football club. You need to be able to better handle disappointment and not spit your dummy when things don't go according to plan. Life's a bitch, ain't it when it now and again spits in your face. When the going gets tough, etc etc etc? Its a good point mate. Why should the axe drop when a mistake is made? And "Clearly" Hughes knows he fucked up, wont even play them. THe owners will trust that he can deliver what he has done consistently prior to the mistake(s) than the mistake itself.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 30, 2017 22:43:32 GMT
I feel sorry for Berahino, he gets fuck all created for him and did well at the half chance he had yesterday.
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Post by davyboy on May 1, 2017 7:11:38 GMT
Berahino lacking service and we should judge him after a proper pre season here. More worrying is Hughes' poor management and tactics. We are becoming a soft touch, particularly away from home.Coates must take note of the suporters' discontent.Most of us are true supporters. I have been for almost 60 years! but we cannot ignore the facts. Since Christmas in particular it has felt like Pulis' last season and too many games are not enjoyable or entretaining!!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 1, 2017 7:13:02 GMT
We, they, don't mate but he isn't fit to lace SJW laces. Bollocks. He's been at the club 5 minutes. 4 months actually. Slightly longer than 5 minutes and plenty of time to get himself fit and up to speed.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 1, 2017 7:15:05 GMT
Bit unfair using Berahino as a stick to beat Hughes with, it's far far too early to be giving him shit, he's come here and he's improving every minute, he's lost over a stone already and is looking better every game Hughes has made plenty of questionable decisions but let's not go overboard Did you expect a rusty strker to come here and bang 15 in in 20 games or what? Jeezus nobody is saying that. BUT I would expect him to score 1 goal in 10 appearances. Is that expecting too much really? Some Berahino apologists on here are sticking their head in the sand
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Post by crapslinger on May 1, 2017 7:21:37 GMT
Bollocks. He's been at the club 5 minutes. 4 months actually. Slightly longer than 5 minutes and plenty of time to get himself fit and up to speed. He needs more time, we forget he is a young lad who has to learn to adapt to moving to new country, he is learning to find his feet in the PL, playing regularly and not scoring will do his confidence the world of good !, well ok none of this is true so what are the excuses now
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Post by superheroantonius on May 1, 2017 10:45:15 GMT
He is surely a gonna
His biggest mistake by far is playing boring football
If he had backed sobhi N Goy Verlinden and co to the hilt and we had won a few thrilers but lost more, he could have got relegated and I and plenty of others would have been looking forward to next season.
We are playing worse football under hughes in the prem than we did under lou macari in league one
It's a shame harry redknapp has a habit of leaving financial irregularities behind and his unable to explain why his dog has a monaco bank account with $295,000 in it :-( otherwise he would have been perfect here :-)
Please show us mercy PC :-) and get Someone, anyone ( but hopefully the bloke from hull or fulham!) to liven things up
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Post by cotswoldstokie on May 1, 2017 20:23:18 GMT
Don't we have a chief executive on a near seven figure salary who's job it is to find a replacement for Hughes? Why are people so obsessed in saying that you're no allowed to want Hughes out unless you can name an alternative. Southampton never seem to have any problem finding decent managers from abroad. Southampton spend more money on footballers than Stoke City yet are on the same points as 'shit' Stoke City. If you want Hughes out, and for me he can go, I'm not bothered, then at least offer a viable alternative. IMO if you don't you're just bleating like supporters we used to despise. Unlike Stoke, Southampton put together a cup run that involved winning cup matches at home against teams they were expected to beat. As a long standing Stoke fan I do not expect to win any trophies or get into Europe- having a tilt at them every ten - 15 years is our lot. However to not have won even once against a top nine side sine Xmas 2015 leaves me a bit deflated. The season has, largely speaking been dross. We don't thrash anybody, however we do get thrashed, we have started poorly four years running - here's hoping we learn from the previous four pre- seasons. The first two years we improved markedly, the signings were good, free flowing exciting football, no trophies but a tilt at them. Plenty of scalps gained from the Big 4 - the performance and 2-0 beating of Man City will live long in my memory. That however was some time ago. The management need to get the best out of the players we have signed. My concern is when he spends big he isn't getting it right - when he spends a little it goes a long way. My own feeling on the manager is that he is on very thin ice. He will gave a transfer kitty in the Summer but results and performances need to improve. We need to play well in both halves, be able to come from a goal down to win a game, and to take a big scalp. It really isn't much to ask. It's illogical for Stoke to improve year on year as. In nine years we would have to win the league! So let's get back to beating a big team now and then. Scoring goals. Exciting the fans. Otherwise we are in the market for a new Manager. ⚽️
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2017 21:38:02 GMT
The same Southampton who may sack their manager.
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Post by Pugsley on May 1, 2017 21:41:53 GMT
The same Southampton who may sack their manager. Tough crowd the Soton board.
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Post by kjpt140v on May 1, 2017 21:43:12 GMT
Still keep coming back to the same challenge, who can we get who is better? Not a member of the usual manager merry go round, someone insperational capable of building a team that can defend and score, with Premier League experience. Few and far between. Hughes started well and progressed to being ok, spending a lot of money on the journey backwards. My only offering is Mancini, beyond that I am stuck Mancini Benitez Silva Jak........That guy from Fulham Rodgers Fuck it I would even take Wenger* Why on earth would any of those guys want to come to Stoke? *I know that would never happen
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