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Post by baystokie on Apr 29, 2017 22:02:17 GMT
Polls can be deceiving - ask Mrs Clinton
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Post by baystokie on Apr 29, 2017 22:04:50 GMT
Just to change topic slightly . Listening to the interviews on radio Stoke after games it really bugs me they can't stop the bloody doors from slamming every 10 seconds That's not doors slamming, it's callers' minds slamming shut trying to formulate a coherent statement
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 29, 2017 22:06:18 GMT
Just to change topic slightly . Listening to the interviews on radio Stoke after games it really bugs me they can't stop the bloody doors from slamming every 10 seconds That's not doors slamming, it's callers' minds slamming shut trying to formulate a coherent statement No mate it's the manager and players interviews at the stadium
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 29, 2017 22:09:57 GMT
Polls can be deceiving - ask Mrs Clinton Not as deceitful as her husband though
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 29, 2017 22:11:10 GMT
That's not doors slamming, it's callers' minds slamming shut trying to formulate a coherent statement No mate it's the manager and players interviews at the stadium
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Post by PB1863 on Apr 29, 2017 22:28:59 GMT
What's frustrating for me is we had 8th place in our sites and could have got there. There is 6 points between 8th and 16th. It's that close and a few 3 point games makes all the difference. Crowd booing at end of Southampton and Sunderland games also.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 22:46:55 GMT
Supporter discontent and questions of the management. just saying what happened mate. What else is an indicator then of discontent? Majority of our board Hughes out I would say as well as the empty seats Can't be arsed at the moment mate but P&G has always been the same. Numbnuts craving fifteen minutes of fame. The atmosphere today was subdued because guess what, no goals. We played them off the park, created loads (whilst trying too hard to walk it in and over elaborate). The should have and could haves of nogger. Again no shit on Hughes' shoes today for me. Folk need to get some minerals as far as I'm concerned. Created loads? Do me a favour and name all those chances that we created then please.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 29, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
Supporter discontent and questions of the management. just saying what happened mate. What else is an indicator then of discontent? Majority of our board Hughes out I would say as well as the empty seats Can't be arsed at the moment mate but P&G has always been the same. Numbnuts craving fifteen minutes of fame. The atmosphere today was subdued because guess what, no goals. We played them off the park, created loads (whilst trying too hard to walk it in and over elaborate). The should have and could haves of nogger. Again no shit on Hughes' shoes today for me. Folk need to get some minerals as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 29, 2017 23:17:18 GMT
Can't be arsed at the moment mate but P&G has always been the same. Numbnuts craving fifteen minutes of fame. The atmosphere today was subdued because guess what, no goals. We played them off the park, created loads (whilst trying too hard to walk it in and over elaborate). The should have and could haves of nogger. Again no shit on Hughes' shoes today for me. Folk need to get some minerals as far as I'm concerned.
I can't make out if he's on a shit wind up or believes it. I think it's the latter, which is worrying.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 29, 2017 23:36:10 GMT
I can't make out if he's on a shit wind up or believes it. I think it's the latter, which is worrying.
Butland was (quite rightfully) MOTM today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 29, 2017 23:40:13 GMT
I can't make out if he's on a shit wind up or believes it. I think it's the latter, which is worrying.
Butland was (quite rightfully) MOTM today.
I'd have given it Whelan but Butland was second and made some excellent saves.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 29, 2017 23:44:03 GMT
Butland was (quite rightfully) MOTM today.
I'd have given it Whelan but Butland was second and made some excellent saves.
Yeah Whelan was ace, I just used Butland to reinforce the point you were making.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 0:01:12 GMT
I think people underestimate the power of this football club. The Coates family are worth billions! (and rising!) If they decided they wanted to get someone like Benitez/Mancini and supply the funding to take this club to the next level then it is well within their powers. Now whether they actually want to do that or are content with the current level is a different matter entirely, but if we end up slipping down to 12th-16th with out lowest points tally since Hughes arrived then clearly that would be below par.
Talk of the likes of Moyes and Pearson though...I think I'd rather stick with Hughes. I'm not saying they're bad managers but I don't think they're better than what we already have. We need someone who can organise the defence whilst having a decent idea of how to fit our talented attackers into systems, and someone who knows how to develop youth. These are all areas where Hughes is failing but if we bring someone in those are the attributes we should be focusing on. It's a tough ask to find a suitable manager but, as has already been mentioned it's not our job to find the guy.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Apr 30, 2017 0:09:05 GMT
1 win in 8 is relegation form.
A box to box quality midfielder is the difference and money should be no object. Imbula hasn't been the answer (for whatever reason) so we need to spend big again. $30m for Sigurdsson would be money well spent.
Sobhi needs to start.
Finally some faster left and right backs and we are there.
But do I trust Hughes to get it done? I'm worn out waiting.
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Post by madeleyite on Apr 30, 2017 1:17:20 GMT
We are fighting to-day for our life, for our liberty, for our all; we cannot go on being led as we are. I have quoted certain words of Oliver Cromwell. I will quote certain other words. I do it with great reluctance, because I am speaking of those who are old friends and associates of mine, but they are words which, I think, are applicable to the present situation. This is what Cromwell said to the Long Parliament when he thought it was no longer fit to conduct the affairs of the nation: You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
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Post by thetron on Apr 30, 2017 1:56:36 GMT
We are fighting to-day for our life, for our liberty, for our all; we cannot go on being led as we are. I have quoted certain words of Oliver Cromwell. I will quote certain other words. I do it with great reluctance, because I am speaking of those who are old friends and associates of mine, but they are words which, I think, are applicable to the present situation. This is what Cromwell said to the Long Parliament when he thought it was no longer fit to conduct the affairs of the nation: You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go! Thats it. Quote a man who destroyef a nation, userped tbebthrone of England for himself and then went on to slaughter innocent people in a country who did not want him theras well. You cant compare the two. A Manager who has sadly lost his way and needs to go, and a man who was nothing but a C**t. If you quote history, make sure you know who you are quoting and whatbthat person did!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2017 1:58:21 GMT
We are fighting to-day for our life, for our liberty, for our all; we cannot go on being led as we are. I have quoted certain words of Oliver Cromwell. I will quote certain other words. I do it with great reluctance, because I am speaking of those who are old friends and associates of mine, but they are words which, I think, are applicable to the present situation. This is what Cromwell said to the Long Parliament when he thought it was no longer fit to conduct the affairs of the nation: You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go! Thats it. Quote a man who destroyef a nation, userped tbebthrone of England for himself and then went on to slaughter innocent people in a country who did not want him theras well. You cant compare the two. A Manager who has sadly lost his way and needs to go, and a man who was nothing but a C**t. If you quote history, make sure you know who you are quoting and whatbthat person did!!! I prefer this quote; "Thanks for nothing Mark, now fuck off!" Albert Tatlock esq circa 2007
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 2:40:49 GMT
That's not doors slamming, it's callers' minds slamming shut trying to formulate a coherent statement No mate it's the manager and players interviews at the stadium It's Mark Hughes walking down the corridor trying every door... 1...Broom Cupboard...No. 2...IT Room....No. 3...Admin....No. 4...Canteen...No. "Excuse me ...I need Help." Says Mr Hughes rather frustrated. " I appear to have lost the dressing room....Anyone seen it..."
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Post by Do it for dobing on Apr 30, 2017 6:25:36 GMT
Thats it. Quote a man who destroyef a nation, userped tbebthrone of England for himself and then went on to slaughter innocent people in a country who did not want him theras well. You cant compare the two. A Manager who has sadly lost his way and needs to go, and a man who was nothing but a C**t. If you quote history, make sure you know who you are quoting and whatbthat person did!!! I prefer this quote; " Thanks for nothing Mark, now fuck off!"Albert Tatlock esq circa 2007 Bayern the probability is that MH will be the Stoke City manager next season, ranting and raving about him will not change that I personally think PC is going to back him and give him a chance to turn it round Try and look for a few positives it will help you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 6:35:11 GMT
I turned it off as I couldn't be arsed to listen to it. My take on it is its been a mega frustrating season. A win yesterday (which we deserved) and we would be sitting 2 points off 8th! We're in amongst a cluster of clubs who have underachieved and also amongst clubs that have over achieved. That's how it's always going be. Our ceiling realistically is probably 7/8th, unless we make serious investments. Hughes and his team have all said they've not hit there targets, it happens. However 3 9th placed finishes have earned him a crack at putting it right IMO! Roll on next season, Butland back, Saido looking sharper every game, Ramadan will get more chances, Indi will sign. We are 3 or 4 players from a excellent side. I'm backing Hughes to get it right.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 30, 2017 6:36:56 GMT
Just listened to it on the listen again function and I have to say the tide has turned regarding Hughes with fans now that wouldn't usually say boo to a goose.The majority of the callers wanted him out by the sounds of it with the exception of Jim(I'm stuck up Hughes's arse)from Trentham.Never heard so much negativity also in the pub after from fans that are bored shitless(their words) Something has got to give I'm afraid Why the fuck would you spend time catching up on P&G? I know. If it's any help the pub I drink in are fully committed Hughes Inners. Not heard anyone today advocating a swap. Did you ever phone in during the TP days? Is this pub next door to Ianrb's barbershop? 🙄
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Post by thevoid on Apr 30, 2017 6:40:44 GMT
It's not the job of the fans to suggest replacements. Neither is it the job of fans to decide when a manager gets sacked. It's the right of fans to discuss it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2017 9:14:33 GMT
I prefer this quote; " Thanks for nothing Mark, now fuck off!"Albert Tatlock esq circa 2007 Bayern the probability is that MH will be the Stoke City manager next season, ranting and raving about him will not change that I personally think PC is going to back him and give him a chance to turn it round Try and look for a few positives it will help you Oh he will be. What positives are there? Butland is back that's good. Then the other two I can think Hughes doesn't use.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Apr 30, 2017 9:51:22 GMT
I seriously think that Hughes Should stay and will definitely turn it around. There will be some quality signings in the summer I think Hughes knows where the problems are and will solve them. Go then mate the floor is yours now you are not driving, defend this record from Jan 2015 up until today. P 48 W 15 D 11 L 22 Those wins; Middlesborough Hull x 2 Bournemouth Sunderland x 2 Villa Newcastle Swansea Watford x 3 Burnley W Ham Palace Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/736/recent#ixzz4ff0XxQd8We've averaged 1.16 points per game since January 2016. That's 44 points over 38 games which would have had us finishing 11th-14th over the last few seasons. There was a table on Sky Sports News the other day that had us 14th in the most expensive squad league (we were a bit higher in the points per pounds league), so even in this dark, barren period in the club's history, we're punching above our weight.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 30, 2017 9:52:22 GMT
Yeah but Robbie Savage has watched us for 30 seconds this season and thinks Stoke fans are the idiots Who do I believe? Savage - he's played the game and knows what he's about - fans can vote with their feet if they don't like what they are paying to see as is the case with all forms of entertainment. That doesn't mean that those who provide the entertainment necessarily have to have a knee-jerk reaction to Joe Public -- which after all is what the fans reaction is. Whats knee-jerk about it, its been poor for more than a season, and its getting worse, we're going backwards.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 30, 2017 15:15:14 GMT
I can't make out if he's on a shit wind up or believes it. I think it's the latter, which is worrying. Obviously don't take mesen too seriously, but it's certainly not a wind up B. Particularly first half WHU sat back, or we forced them back. Very defensive with almost two banks of five, very deep. Their only real spark and creative outlet seemed to be the 'pint of Guinness' on the left {Lanzini?}, but I felt at times we were our own worst enemy re that. Adrian had a great game and they were stoic in defensive blocking. I enjoyed it as a spectacle. We strung together some good passages of play, enjoyed Whelan's longer range passing {thought Adam slid a couple of great slide rulers through too.} There are bits to criticise, Johnson a bit exposed etc. We could have made more of our chances. {On another day etc}. Berahino, Shaq, Muniesa, Joe Allen, Cameron, Arnie off the top of me head. {Not seen a replay}. All had chances/half chances. Bloke next to me said 'a game where we'll regret not taking one of these', it did seem to me that their only hope was going to be a cheaply bought set piece, or a counter attack. Second half continued in much the same way, though a bit more even in possession. One of those games where nothing much of the risky football Arnie attempted came off. And we kept over elaborating to try and carve out the perfect goal. Once again WHU tried {and succeeded} in going to ground etc rather than getting on with playing us at football. {There's been a number of those this year.} In my 'mental' world there's only really been Spurs, Palace, Arsenal, Liverpool {second half at ours perhaps} and Leicester recently in the League who've in any way outplayed us, shown us up. It hasn't been scintillating stuff, football rarely is, there's enough flashes of brilliance to satisfy me, coupled with gritty shows against the Mancs it's been an interesting season and mainly gravy still imo. Some disappointment in not fully integrating Bojan, Imbula, and a real shame we couldn't have got more of a Shaq season. Nevertheless I still think Hughes is doing a fine job within the parameters, in context etc. I'm keeping the faith, confident there'll be some reconfiguring of the squad in summer. Still three juicy fixtures to go, and a promise of 'experimentation' from our leader.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 30, 2017 15:43:45 GMT
I turned it off as I couldn't be arsed to listen to it. My take on it is its been a mega frustrating season. A win yesterday (which we deserved) and we would be sitting 2 points off 8th! We're in amongst a cluster of clubs who have underachieved and also amongst clubs that have over achieved. That's how it's always going be. Our ceiling realistically is probably 7/8th, unless we make serious investments. Hughes and his team have all said they've not hit there targets, it happens. However 3 9th placed finishes have earned him a crack at putting it right IMO! Roll on next season, Butland back, Saido looking sharper every game, Ramadan will get more chances, Indi will sign. We are 3 or 4 players from a excellent side. I'm backing Hughes to get it right. Totally Agree with this.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 30, 2017 16:39:19 GMT
Not too long ago Moyes was the new Messiah of English football........be careful what you wish for!
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Post by kustokie on Apr 30, 2017 16:55:50 GMT
We are fighting to-day for our life, for our liberty, for our all; we cannot go on being led as we are. I have quoted certain words of Oliver Cromwell. I will quote certain other words. I do it with great reluctance, because I am speaking of those who are old friends and associates of mine, but they are words which, I think, are applicable to the present situation. This is what Cromwell said to the Long Parliament when he thought it was no longer fit to conduct the affairs of the nation: You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go! I recall using that quote a couple of years ago. I can't remember if I was referring to TP or MH. Either way, it's highly applicable. The question remains though, who is our Oliver Cromwell? Of course that didn't last too long and we had to restore the monarchy, hmmm... Maybe that analogy has its limits.
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Post by trigger on Apr 30, 2017 17:30:34 GMT
I can't think of a single reason why the Coates family would want Hughes in charge next season, he is without a calamity wating to happen next season, attrocious management.
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