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Post by harryburrows on May 2, 2017 21:44:20 GMT
We don't start negotiations until the final 12 months , this is poor from Stoke if true
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:49:00 GMT
We don't start negotiations until the final 12 months , this is poor from Stoke if true I think other clubs have similar policies. Although people want to jump down Hughes' throat for everything these days it appears its of the clubs making rather than his....
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Post by djduncanjames on May 2, 2017 21:49:28 GMT
That's a load of bollocks what Hughes has said. We've renewed Bojan's for instance with way more than 12 months and Muni's. What's going on at the club?!? Maybe he is trying to throw Scholes under the bus? who knows
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 2, 2017 21:49:57 GMT
We don't start negotiations until the final 12 months , this is poor from Stoke if true And completely factually incorrect. Shawcross was not in the last 12 months of his deal when he signed his last contract and there are loads of other examples. Still a very odd situation.
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Post by TinkerT on May 2, 2017 21:50:45 GMT
We don't start negotiations until the final 12 months , this is poor from Stoke if true I think other clubs have similar policies. Although people want to jump down Hughes' throat for everything these days it appears its of the clubs making rather than his.... No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:52:44 GMT
I think other clubs have similar policies. Although people want to jump down Hughes' throat for everything these days it appears its of the clubs making rather than his.... No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto. Nzonzi had nothing to do with the policy though. He wouldn't have signed irrespective money wasn't the issue as he's made clear...
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 2, 2017 21:53:54 GMT
I can't believe there were people thinking he would actually go. Although he hasn't signed a new contract yet, he definitely will. No need to worry about Ryan's future.
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Post by baystokie on May 2, 2017 22:01:29 GMT
I think other clubs have similar policies. Although people want to jump down Hughes' throat for everything these days it appears its of the clubs making rather than his.... No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto. TBH as I doubt you are privy to what is Stoke's contract policy, I'm even more sure that you don't KNOW what is the policy of the other 20 Prem clubs.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 22:10:30 GMT
No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto. TBH as I doubt you are privy to what is Stoke's contract policy, I'm even more sure that you don't KNOW what is the policy of the other 20 Prem clubs. Arsenal for example have constant issues with players in the last year of their contract. Ultimately you can have as many policies as you like if a player wants to test the water in the last year of his contract a clubs hands are tied. I was comfortable with the Shawcross situation as both player and manger seemed quite relaxed about things. Love to see him sign a theee year deal and surpass Denis Smith's appearance record....
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Post by Glory Hunter on May 2, 2017 22:37:41 GMT
Ryan will sign.
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Post by TinkerT on May 3, 2017 7:16:42 GMT
No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto. Nzonzi had nothing to do with the policy though. He wouldn't have signed irrespective money wasn't the issue as he's made clear... Well course he did if he was at our club. If we offered him the money he wanted he would have stayed. It shouldn't have been left as long as it did either as he was a major asset so should have been extended as soon as his contract got below 2 years, the only policy our club has is players over 30 getting a one year rolling contract which triggers extensions if they play x amount of games, which IS a policy used at the majority of PL clubs.
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Post by alster on May 3, 2017 7:32:59 GMT
Nzonzi had nothing to do with the policy though. He wouldn't have signed irrespective money wasn't the issue as he's made clear... Well course he did if he was at our club. If we offered him the money he wanted he would have stayed. It shouldn't have been left as long as it did either as he was a major asset so should have been extended as soon as his contract got below 2 years, the only policy our club has is players over 30 getting a one year rolling contract which triggers extensions if they play x amount of games, which IS a policy used at the majority of PL clubs. N'Zonzi went to Seville for less money than we offered him, that added to the fact that he requested a transfer just about every closed seasons suggests you are wrong. I fully agree we should have offered him improved terms at an earlier stage. I'm even more convinced we should have held him to his contract and taken a hit on the fee as I posted at the time. At the end of the day total respect to N'Zonzi he wanted to go to a club that offered European football and he compromised his earning capacity to further his sporting ambition. Top player and obviously a much better man than he was given credit for.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 7:41:39 GMT
Nzonzi had nothing to do with the policy though. He wouldn't have signed irrespective money wasn't the issue as he's made clear... Well course he did if he was at our club. If we offered him the money he wanted he would have stayed. It shouldn't have been left as long as it did either as he was a major asset so should have been extended as soon as his contract got below 2 years, the only policy our club has is players over 30 getting a one year rolling contract which triggers extensions if they play x amount of games, which IS a policy used at the majority of PL clubs. You're completely wrong. Both parties have already confirmed he took a pay cut. He wanted European Football at the highest level it wasn't about money...
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Post by TinkerT on May 3, 2017 7:51:36 GMT
Well course he did if he was at our club. If we offered him the money he wanted he would have stayed. It shouldn't have been left as long as it did either as he was a major asset so should have been extended as soon as his contract got below 2 years, the only policy our club has is players over 30 getting a one year rolling contract which triggers extensions if they play x amount of games, which IS a policy used at the majority of PL clubs. N'Zonzi went to Seville for less money than we offered him, that added to the fact that he requested a transfer just about every closed seasons suggests you are wrong. I fully agree we should have offered him improved terms at an earlier stage. I'm even more convinced we should have held him to his contract and taken a hit on the fee as I posted at the time. At the end of the day total respect to N'Zonzi he wanted to go to a club that offered European football and he compromised his earning capacity to further his sporting ambition. Top player and obviously a much better man than he was given credit for. He's not on lower money after bonuses though 😉 the fact the people making the decisions at our club let his contract run down that far is a disgrace.
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Post by 3putts on May 3, 2017 12:11:43 GMT
I think other clubs have similar policies. Although people want to jump down Hughes' throat for everything these days it appears its of the clubs making rather than his.... No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto. oh yes such wisdom lets sign all players up on vastly increased salaries and long term contracts. have you learned nothing from leeds. oatcake warri ors who dont even go to the matches contributing zero telling stoke to bankrupt themselves
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Post by TinkerT on May 3, 2017 12:26:17 GMT
No, other clubs don't have this policy at all. Its how we got hung out to dry with begovic and nzonzi and could have done the same with shawcross if he wanted to go. The system and the people doing it are a joke, and it wants sorting pronto. oh yes such wisdom lets sign all players up on vastly increased salaries and long term contracts. have you learned nothing from leeds. oatcake warri ors who dont even go to the matches contributing zero telling stoke to bankrupt themselves What the fuck have Leeds got to do with stoke? Jesus. If you have a major asset you sign them up long term, unless of course your in charge at stoke. Don't go matches? Yeah sure mate, turning in into a dick measuring contest like usual on Here as your points are total invalid. Idiot.
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Post by thebet365 on May 3, 2017 12:33:09 GMT
oh yes such wisdom lets sign all players up on vastly increased salaries and long term contracts. have you learned nothing from leeds. oatcake warri ors who dont even go to the matches contributing zero telling stoke to bankrupt themselves What the fuck have Leeds got to do with stoke? Jesus. If you have a major asset you sign them up long term, unless of course your in charge at stoke. Don't go matches? Yeah sure mate, turning in into a dick measuring contest like usual on Here as your points are total invalid. Idiot. If the player refuses to sign there's nothing you can do about it. And then you've got the flip side of the coin, signing up Bojan on a big contract and now he's out of favour, we're now saddled with a player with 3 years on his contract that we'll struggle to shift.
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Post by TinkerT on May 3, 2017 12:44:37 GMT
What the fuck have Leeds got to do with stoke? Jesus. If you have a major asset you sign them up long term, unless of course your in charge at stoke. Don't go matches? Yeah sure mate, turning in into a dick measuring contest like usual on Here as your points are total invalid. Idiot. If the player refuses to sign there's nothing you can do about it. And then you've got the flip side of the coin, signing up Bojan on a big contract and now he's out of favour, we're now saddled with a player with 3 years on his contract that we'll struggle to shift. If the money is right then a player will sign, end of. Bojan will be back next season IMO. At the time as well it was the right decision as he was attracting interest from big clubs, Liverpool were sniffing. There's something not right with the way the club handles things behind the scenes, not just negotiating contracts but the whole set up.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 3, 2017 12:48:46 GMT
N'Zonzi went to Seville for less money than we offered him, that added to the fact that he requested a transfer just about every closed seasons suggests you are wrong. I fully agree we should have offered him improved terms at an earlier stage. I'm even more convinced we should have held him to his contract and taken a hit on the fee as I posted at the time. At the end of the day total respect to N'Zonzi he wanted to go to a club that offered European football and he compromised his earning capacity to further his sporting ambition. Top player and obviously a much better man than he was given credit for. He's not on lower money after bonuses though 😉 the fact the people making the decisions at our club let his contract run down that far is a disgrace. THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:51:27 GMT
He's not on lower money after bonuses though 😉 the fact the people making the decisions at our club let his contract run down that far is a disgrace. THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Ever felt like you're pissing in the wind???? 🙄
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Post by Squeekster on May 3, 2017 12:53:15 GMT
If the player refuses to sign there's nothing you can do about it. And then you've got the flip side of the coin, signing up Bojan on a big contract and now he's out of favour, we're now saddled with a player with 3 years on his contract that we'll struggle to shift. If the money is right then a player will sign, end of. Bojan will be back next season IMO. At the time as well it was the right decision as he was attracting interest from big clubs, Liverpool were sniffing. There's something not right with the way the club handles things behind the scenes, not just negotiating contracts but the whole set up. Not really Alan Shearer turned down Man utd several times and was offered big money at the time as utd were the biggest payers back then.
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Post by TinkerT on May 3, 2017 12:53:33 GMT
He's not on lower money after bonuses though 😉 the fact the people making the decisions at our club let his contract run down that far is a disgrace. THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Not true, he fell out with pulis and that's how it was, he never handed in transfer requests etc like what was published at the time, it was just the papers making up the shit. When he started playing his best stuff he should have been tied down before this, Hughes should have sorted it pronto and made it the first thing he did or made sure it was sorted, he didn't. He handled it exactly the same as the shawcross situation letting it run and run and run, then agents start to talk and see whats on offer. The whole system at stoke is a joke, and needs sorting out.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:55:57 GMT
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Not true, he fell out with pulis and that's how it was, he never handed in transfer requests etc like what was published at the time, it was just the papers making up the shit. When he started playing his best stuff he should have been tied down before this, Hughes should have sorted it pronto and made it the first thing he did or made sure it was sorted, he didn't. He handled it exactly the same as the shawcross situation letting it run and run and run, then agents start to talk and see whats on offer. The whole system at stoke is a joke, and needs sorting out. ![](https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder625/500x/50419625/that-would-be-great-yeah-so-if-you-could-just-stop-making-shit-up-that-would-be-great.jpg)
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 3, 2017 12:57:20 GMT
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Not true, he fell out with pulis and that's how it was, he never handed in transfer requests etc like what was published at the time, it was just the papers making up the shit. When he started playing his best stuff he should have been tied down before this, Hughes should have sorted it pronto and made it the first thing he did or made sure it was sorted, he didn't. He handled it exactly the same as the shawcross situation letting it run and run and run, then agents start to talk and see whats on offer. The whole system at stoke is a joke, and needs sorting out. No, you're simply making shit up full stop mate! People have told you the facts of what happened but you're doing a pathetic teenage, finger in your ears act and ignoring them regardless so you can continue your "Everything's the c lub's and Hughes' fault" Now, i don't mind people criticising them for valid reasons but it IS a fact he was offered extensions many times before and it IS a fact he turned them down (he himself admitted that) but i look forward to you continuing your childish form of discussion by informing us all that N' Zonzi himself doesn't know as much as you for no other reason than you're too worried about saving face than you are the actual facts.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 3, 2017 12:58:39 GMT
If the money is right then a player will sign, end of. Bojan will be back next season IMO. At the time as well it was the right decision as he was attracting interest from big clubs, Liverpool were sniffing. There's something not right with the way the club handles things behind the scenes, not just negotiating contracts but the whole set up. Not really Alan Shearer turned down Man utd several times and was offered big money at the time as utd were the biggest payers back then. He's doing the "Painted myself into a corner and made to look a tit by everyone who knows more about the specific situations i mentioned, so now just making shit up to try to save embarrassment" act. I wouldn't waste your breath mate
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Post by Gods on May 3, 2017 13:01:07 GMT
He's not on lower money after bonuses though 😉 the fact the people making the decisions at our club let his contract run down that far is a disgrace. THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Normally I'd ask that you dial down the Ian Paisley a bit but in this case I think it is fully justified ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by TinkerT on May 3, 2017 13:07:51 GMT
Not true, he fell out with pulis and that's how it was, he never handed in transfer requests etc like what was published at the time, it was just the papers making up the shit. When he started playing his best stuff he should have been tied down before this, Hughes should have sorted it pronto and made it the first thing he did or made sure it was sorted, he didn't. He handled it exactly the same as the shawcross situation letting it run and run and run, then agents start to talk and see whats on offer. The whole system at stoke is a joke, and needs sorting out. No, you're simply making shit up full stop mate! People have told you the facts of what happened but you're doing a pathetic teenage, finger in your ears act and ignoring them regardless so you can continue your "Everything's the c lub's and Hughes' fault" Now, i don't mind people criticising them for valid reasons but it IS a fact he was offered extensions many times before and it IS a fact he turned them down (he himself admitted that) but i look forward to you continuing your childish form of discussion by informing us all that N' Zonzi himself doesn't know as much as you for no other reason than you're too worried about saving face than you are the actual facts. Wheres nzonzi come out HIMSELF and said it then? He never has because he didn't turn them down. He fell out with pulis and wasnt happy here, we left it too late when we offered him a contract and that's that. Exactly the same with shawcross, we've just started talks in the last few weeks and its not acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 14:40:28 GMT
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Not true, he fell out with pulis and that's how it was, he never handed in transfer requests etc like what was published at the time, it was just the papers making up the shit. When he started playing his best stuff he should have been tied down before this, Hughes should have sorted it pronto and made it the first thing he did or made sure it was sorted, he didn't. He handled it exactly the same as the shawcross situation letting it run and run and run, then agents start to talk and see whats on offer. The whole system at stoke is a joke, and needs sorting out.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:29:52 GMT
He's not on lower money after bonuses though 😉 the fact the people making the decisions at our club let his contract run down that far is a disgrace. THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!!!!!! He was offered extensions at several times BEFORE it got to that late stage and HE turned them down!!! HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY FULL STOP, PERIOD, END OF!!!!! You can't force ANY payer to extend their bloody contract!!!! How many more fucking times to people want to keep peddling this shit to re-write history??? It's not as if it's news, it was made public at the bloody time! Jesus wept! Thickos, mate.
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Post by adi on May 3, 2017 16:18:40 GMT
What the fuck have Leeds got to do with stoke? Jesus. If you have a major asset you sign them up long term, unless of course your in charge at stoke. Don't go matches? Yeah sure mate, turning in into a dick measuring contest like usual on Here as your points are total invalid. Idiot. If the player refuses to sign there's nothing you can do about it. And then you've got the flip side of the coin, signing up Bojan on a big contract and now he's out of favour, we're now saddled with a player with 3 years on his contract that we'll struggle to shift. I certainly can't see us struggling to shift him. A newly promoted side who want to play a more intricate style that have a good defensive unit behind a front 4 would certainly snap him up imo.
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