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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Apr 17, 2017 8:58:04 GMT
From the Guardian's 10 talking points from the Premier League:
"...Romelu Lukaku and Ross Barkley should (have) an acceptance on their part of the Everton manager’s influence on their development this season. Both have reaped the rewards of Koeman constructing a team around their respective strengths..."
So who should we build our team around? Looking for youth and pace, I'd say Sobhi and Berahino. But you could also make a case for Imbula or Shaqiri as players that can influence games when on form.
So what's the plan?
And will we see it in the final 5 games?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 9:26:46 GMT
Arnie, Shaq and Bojan.
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Post by greystokie on Apr 17, 2017 9:44:59 GMT
Bojan won't be a Stoke player next season |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 10:01:19 GMT
Bojan won't be a Stoke player next season Good chance that Shaq won't either if the rumours are true. But they are the players I'd build a team around. They can all score and create for others around them. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 17, 2017 10:02:38 GMT
Arnie, Shaq, Berahino, Ramadan, Joe Allen, Butland and Bruno.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 10:04:34 GMT
From the Guardian's 10 talking points from the Premier League: "...Romelu Lukaku and Ross Barkley should (have) an acceptance on their part of the Everton manager’s influence on their development this season. Both have reaped the rewards of Koeman constructing a team around their respective strengths..." So who should we build our team around? Looking for youth and pace, I'd say Sobhi and Berahino. But you could also make a case for Imbula or Shaqiri as players that can influence games when on form. So what's the plan? And will we see it in the final 5 games? Agree with Sobhi and Berahino....But build a team around Imbula....Are you drunk...We would have to build a bigger bench, and as for Shaq, a bigger sick bay. Not seen anything from either to build a team around... |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 17, 2017 10:17:34 GMT
If Muniesa can play in a hell of a lot of our problems are solved in a jiffy so strangely I'd say him.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 17, 2017 10:24:19 GMT
If Muniesa can play in a hell of a lot of our problems are solved in a jiffy so strangely I'd say him. In where? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 10:24:26 GMT
You have to build a system that concedes as least as possible whilst creating chances for your forwards. Sounds simple, rarely is. It is up to the management team to sift through the squad and find a regular base system that can do this with what we have, or with what we have that can be extended with transfers.
Like Leicester with the 4-4-2 that they used, we have to find out our key players and how they fit together, how their strengths and weaknesses play off against each other.
The way I look at our general squad as is; I see an experienced back four, lacking in pace with full backs that have limited quality on the ball - a midfield that is hard working but lacking in pace and creativity. Three wide men that like cutting in and a slow forward line that would thrive from crosses with a certain configuration and through balls with another.
So, how would YOU create a system from that and what would YOU do to change it over the summer?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2017 10:24:45 GMT
If Muniesa can play in a hell of a lot of our problems are solved in a jiffy so strangely I'd say him. Where though? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2017 10:25:33 GMT
You have to build a system that concedes as least as possible whilst creating chances for your forwards. Sounds simple, rarely is. It is up to the management team to sift through the squad and find a regular base system that can do this with what we have, or with what we have that can be extended with transfers. Like Leicester with the 4-4-2 that they used, we have to find out our key players and how they fit together, how their strengths and weaknesses play off against each other. The way I look at our general squad as is; I see an experienced back four, lacking in pace - a midfield that is hard working but lacking in pace and creativity. Three wide men that like cutting in and a slow forward line that would thrive from crosses with a certain configuration and through balls with another. So, how would YOU create a system from that and what would YOU do to change it over the summer? Rip it up and start again..... |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 17, 2017 10:27:45 GMT
Bojan.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 17, 2017 10:50:01 GMT
Ha! I missed the word midfield!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 10:51:45 GMT
Shaqiri is the Carrick of Stoke it is his passing and trickery that wins games, not to mention his own world class goals.
Whatever it takes to first keep this guy and then get him fit must be done.
What is his weakness well most would say his defensive side so although I'm happy Glenn Johnstone looks to be staying it is the positions behind him that need to be strong to allow him to do his magic.
Arni on the other hand just needs good players around him , his head drops when he sees chances wasted and rightly so if he sees a goal scorer hitting the back of the net regularly we will see far more from him. I'm convinced despite the brilliance we have seen there is still more in the locker.
You can't paint a ceiling if the ladders are wobbling underneath you. So left back and right back priority for me, Glenn has been injured too much and Peters has little or no competition for his place and has been poor as a result.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 17, 2017 11:06:32 GMT
The player we need to build a team around has yet to be signed - the fabled "Whelan upgrade". Get that one right and a lot of the other pieces will fall into place around him. Allen can be the box to boxer, with Shaq allowed to roam at number 10, with Arnie and Ramadan either side.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 17, 2017 12:46:21 GMT
For the final five games I would play Crouchy up front with Berahino .The poor lad needs a goal to get his confidence back and could do with a partner to help him out until he's up and running.
Next season I would love to see Sobhi and Arnie play out wide with Shaqiri playing in the middle as a No10 behind Berahino, like a lot of knowledgeable people on here have suggested.
But the real problem is the midfield and has been all season ,and needs addressing big time in the Summer. The signing of Imbula hasn't worked out and if I see Adam or Whelan ( Both been great servants for the club) still parading their stuff ,I might even move over to the dark side and join the "Hughes needs fooking off brigade" 😉
For now ,I'am still a happy clapping rimmer .😀
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 17, 2017 13:23:14 GMT
Arnie, Shaq, Berahino and then Bruno and Butland.
The key signing this summer is who plays behind berahino.
Dependent on who that is effects what type of player we need in midfield. More combative or creative.
I'd like to see us bring in a fellaini type player, siggurdson (bojan) or both
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2017 13:39:50 GMT
Arnie, Shaq, Berahino and then Bruno and Butland. The key signing this summer is who plays behind berahino. Dependent on who that is effects what type of player we need in midfield. More combative or creative. I'd like to see us bring in a fellaini type player, siggurdson (bojan) or both The key signing this summer should be who plays behind Shaqiri because it is HE who should play behind Berahino. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2017 13:42:31 GMT
Arnie, Shaq, Berahino and then Bruno and Butland. The key signing this summer is who plays behind berahino. Dependent on who that is effects what type of player we need in midfield. More combative or creative. I'd like to see us bring in a fellaini type player, siggurdson (bojan) or both The key signing this summer should be who plays behind Shaqiri because it is HE who should play behind Berahino. Is this even in the managers thoughts though? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2017 13:53:38 GMT
The key signing this summer should be who plays behind Shaqiri because it is HE who should play behind Berahino. Is this even in the managers thoughts though? 'Spose it could be in the new one's ... |
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Post by towraytek on Apr 17, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
Butland
?? Ryan Bruno ??
?? Allen
Shaq Arnie
Berahino ??
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 17, 2017 18:36:15 GMT
The key signing this summer should be who plays behind Shaqiri because it is HE who should play behind Berahino. Is this even in the managers thoughts though? All well and good playing Shaq behind the striker but problem is we need two central midfielders who can put a real shift in and cover ground plus keep the ball, as well as the wingers. Cameron/Allen in CM. Id like to see ----------- Butland New RB Shawcross Indi New LB --------- Allen Cameron ----- Sobhi Shaq Arnie --------- Berahino |
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Post by lordb on Apr 17, 2017 18:38:42 GMT
Is this even in the managers thoughts though? All well and good playing Shaq behind the striker but problem is we need two central midfielders who can put a real shift in and cover ground plus keep the ball, as well as the wingers. Cameron/Allen in CM. Id like to see ----------- Butland New RB Shawcross Indi New LB --------- Allen Cameron ----- Sobhi Shaq Arnie --------- Berahino Delph. |
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Post by kevkj on Apr 17, 2017 18:39:30 GMT
Two new pacy full backs would help both defensively and offensively,also would open the pitch up for others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 18:48:46 GMT
Personally I think we're close to having an excellent squad.
Butland
New rb - Shawcross - BMI - Pieters/new lb
New pacey DM - Allen
Shaq - Bojan - Arnie
Berahino
Bench being from:
Grant
Bardsley
Ramadan
Cameron
Adam
Diouf
Walters
Muniesa
Ngoy
Edwards
Shenton
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 17, 2017 18:56:54 GMT
A squad game.
Unless there's a major switch in Hughes & co's modus then I would expect it to be various combinations and formations for the occasion.
Cause 'problems' for the opposition.
Providing for the striker(s) being the focus.
Hopefully Shaq's still here and we've got a better handle on his physiology.. not yet convinced by the idea of basing the whole set up around him.
Like the 343 it puts us on the front foot and cuts out the fannying about playing across the back.
433 during oct/nov looked solid and functional.
There's been some merit in the 442.
But unless Bojjers coming back then we can sack the 4231 for me.
All subject to purchases.
Strength on the bench to affect games is as much a priority imo. Times this season when it's been thin on attacking options.
Mainly gravy.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 17, 2017 21:24:05 GMT
A squad game. Unless there's a major switch in Hughes & co's modus then I would expect it to be various combinations and formations for the occasion. Cause 'problems' for the opposition. Providing for the striker(s) being the focus. Hopefully Shaq's still here and we've got a better handle on his physiology.. not yet convinced by the idea of basing the whole set up around him. Like the 343 it puts us on the front foot and cuts out the fannying about playing across the back. 433 during oct/nov looked solid and functional. There's been some merit in the 442. But unless Bojjers coming back then we can sack the 4231 for me.All subject to purchases. Strength on the bench to affect games is as much a priority imo. Times this season when it's been thin on attacking options. Mainly gravy. I love Bojan but I think Shaq is a better fit to play behind Berahino, who is bound to start. For me 4231 seems to be the way Hughes is leaning. A good 3 would be Arnie, Shaq and Ramadan. Joe Allen is half of the 2; finding tghe other half is the really tough job. FWIW I see Bojan as better fit as the 1 than as the one behind the 1 or in the central striker in a 433 ( we haven't got the wing backs to make a 343 work) |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 17, 2017 21:40:02 GMT
A squad game. Unless there's a major switch in Hughes & co's modus then I would expect it to be various combinations and formations for the occasion. Cause 'problems' for the opposition. Providing for the striker(s) being the focus. Hopefully Shaq's still here and we've got a better handle on his physiology.. not yet convinced by the idea of basing the whole set up around him. Like the 343 it puts us on the front foot and cuts out the fannying about playing across the back. 433 during oct/nov looked solid and functional. There's been some merit in the 442. But unless Bojjers coming back then we can sack the 4231 for me.All subject to purchases. Strength on the bench to affect games is as much a priority imo. Times this season when it's been thin on attacking options. Mainly gravy. I love Bojan but I think Shaq is a better fit to play behind Berahino, who is bound to start. For me 4231 seems to be the way Hughes is leaning. A good 3 would be Arnie, Shaq and Ramadan. Joe Allen is half of the 2; finding tghe other half is the really tough job. FWIW I see Bojan as better fit as the 1 than as the one behind the 1 or in the central striker in a 433 ( we haven't got the wing backs to make a 343 work) I don't think Hughes is wedded to a particular formation, especially not the 4231 no more. Shaq will never be a prem no 10 imo (prepared to be proved wrong, because I want him on the pitch, but not double marked, crowded out and kicked apart in the middle). With Bojan in a 433 it's the false 9 you're describing which certainly worked as a surprise surprise. I have some faith in Diouf and Ramadan as wingbacks etc. Better than our fullback configuration. Summer window and Academy to improve on that. I stay supportive but johns and Pieters aren't really cutting it in a back four anyway. |
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Post by jarhead on Apr 17, 2017 22:05:19 GMT
Spurs!
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 17, 2017 22:32:28 GMT
I love Bojan but I think Shaq is a better fit to play behind Berahino, who is bound to start. For me 4231 seems to be the way Hughes is leaning. A good 3 would be Arnie, Shaq and Ramadan. Joe Allen is half of the 2; finding tghe other half is the really tough job. FWIW I see Bojan as better fit as the 1 than as the one behind the 1 or in the central striker in a 433 ( we haven't got the wing backs to make a 343 work) I don't think Hughes is wedded to a particular formation, especially not the 4231 no more. Shaq will never be a prem no 10 imo (prepared to be proved wrong, because I want him on the pitch, but not double marked, crowded out and kicked apart in the middle). With Bojan in a 433 it's the false 9 you're describing which certainly worked as a surprise surprise. I have some faith in Diouf and Ramadan as wingbacks etc. Better than our fullback configuration. Summer window and Academy to improve on that. I stay supportive but johns and Pieters aren't really cutting it in a back four anyway. So... Butland Shawcross Bruno Muniesa Diouf Allen ? Ramadan Shaq Berahino Arnie ? Good looking team but finding a good enough ? will be ahuge job; of the current playing staff it has to be Cameron. |
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