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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2017 15:32:24 GMT
I don't think Trippier is realistic now at all. And the same for Sigurdsson really but if the Everton's of this world didn't want him, we'd be in with a chance. Taylor could do but I just don't see it. I think he may end up at West Brom! M'Vila is just your lovechild who I don't think we have an interest or else we'd have signed him already! I really hope to God BMI signs. If he doesn't it's a massive set back. The price is neither here nor there with them for me, I just don't think they'll sign for us. I was more making a case for the type of player we need and the amounts we will need to spend. We have to be looking at a 50m gross spend, maybe 25/30m net (if all the players we want to sell get sold at a decent price). Wanting 30m for Sigi, and getting it, are two different things, IMHO. He will not want to slum it in the Championship and would the top 6 go for him again after his failed Spurs move? As for Trippier, I still think he may be tempted by regular first team football, given Walker is a pretty big impediment to his getting it at Spurs. I hold my hands up on M'Vila......still think he would do a cracking job for us, though, and for "less than half an Imbula". Taylor should be right at the top of our list, with Pieters' less than stellar form and Muniesa's suspect injury record. BMI should be held hostage once the season ends until he puts pen to paper - he is that important to us right now. I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 18, 2017 15:35:03 GMT
I was more making a case for the type of player we need and the amounts we will need to spend. We have to be looking at a 50m gross spend, maybe 25/30m net (if all the players we want to sell get sold at a decent price). Wanting 30m for Sigi, and getting it, are two different things, IMHO. He will not want to slum it in the Championship and would the top 6 go for him again after his failed Spurs move? As for Trippier, I still think he may be tempted by regular first team football, given Walker is a pretty big impediment to his getting it at Spurs. I hold my hands up on M'Vila......still think he would do a cracking job for us, though, and for "less than half an Imbula". Taylor should be right at the top of our list, with Pieters' less than stellar form and Muniesa's suspect injury record. BMI should be held hostage once the season ends until he puts pen to paper - he is that important to us right now. I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. I agree with you...... I think I need a lie down after admitting that! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2017 15:42:58 GMT
I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. I agree with you...... I think I need a lie down after admitting that! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) It's part of the reason I'm so pissed off with Hughes tbh. Two years we had a great chance to go even higher and we fucked it big time. It's typical Stoke really but it's so bloody frustrating.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 18, 2017 15:59:30 GMT
I was more making a case for the type of player we need and the amounts we will need to spend. We have to be looking at a 50m gross spend, maybe 25/30m net (if all the players we want to sell get sold at a decent price). Wanting 30m for Sigi, and getting it, are two different things, IMHO. He will not want to slum it in the Championship and would the top 6 go for him again after his failed Spurs move? As for Trippier, I still think he may be tempted by regular first team football, given Walker is a pretty big impediment to his getting it at Spurs. I hold my hands up on M'Vila......still think he would do a cracking job for us, though, and for "less than half an Imbula". Taylor should be right at the top of our list, with Pieters' less than stellar form and Muniesa's suspect injury record. BMI should be held hostage once the season ends until he puts pen to paper - he is that important to us right now. I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. Don't think too many would disagree. But, in Hughesworld, who makes way? You can see where we can definitely fit another left-back into the squad (it's clear he doesn't think Muniesa is a proper option and he may well be off anyway) Johnson, Bardsley, Pieters Whelan, Cameron, Allen, Adam, Afellay But we've got 2 veteran RBs + Edwards, plus 5 central midfielders under contract (4 30+, and the 2 easiest to get rid of have very recently been handed extensions, if that is what's happened with Charlie?)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2017 16:02:49 GMT
I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. Don't think too many would disagree. But, in Hughesworld, who makes way? You can see where we can definitely fit another left-back into the squad (it's clear he doesn't think Muniesa is a proper option and he may well be off anyway) Johnson, Bardsley, Pieters Whelan, Cameron, Allen, Adam, Afellay But we've got 2 RBs + Edwards, plus 5 central midfielders under contract (4 30+, and the 2 easiest to get rid of have very recently been handed extensions, if that is what's happened with Charlie?) Oh I know. It's another reason I want him gone FM! I could see Whelan possibly leaving making room for one. But giving Afellay and Adam a new contract for me is just brain deaded. One crock and one player who just isn't good enough any more. The right back situation may evolve (ie one of them doesn't sign). I don't know, I just don't see how we compete even where we are now if those 4 positions aren't upgraded.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 16:05:04 GMT
Don't think too many would disagree. But, in Hughesworld, who makes way? You can see where we can definitely fit another left-back into the squad (it's clear he doesn't think Muniesa is a proper option and he may well be off anyway) Johnson, Bardsley, Pieters Whelan, Cameron, Allen, Adam, Afellay But we've got 2 RBs + Edwards, plus 5 central midfielders under contract (4 30+, and the 2 easiest to get rid of have very recently been handed extensions, if that is what's happened with Charlie?) Oh I know. It's another reason I want him gone FM! I could see Whelan possibly leaving making room for one. But giving Afellay and Adam a new contract for me is just brain deaded. One crock and one player who just isn't good enough any more. The right back situation may evolve (ie one of them doesn't sign). I don't know, I just don't see how we compete even where we are now if those 4 positions aren't upgraded. Maybe just relax, enjoy a bit of summer and see what pans out.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2017 16:07:36 GMT
Oh I know. It's another reason I want him gone FM! I could see Whelan possibly leaving making room for one. But giving Afellay and Adam a new contract for me is just brain deaded. One crock and one player who just isn't good enough any more. The right back situation may evolve (ie one of them doesn't sign). I don't know, I just don't see how we compete even where we are now if those 4 positions aren't upgraded. Maybe just relax, enjoy a bit of summer and see what pans out..... That depends on the axe of Denise!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 16:08:18 GMT
Maybe just relax, enjoy a bit of summer and see what pans out..... That depends on the axe of Denise! Denise is too busy counting her money.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 18, 2017 17:24:59 GMT
People keep saying that it is a squad game, it isn't, it's a team game. Wehave a decent squad but have yet to find the players who can blend into a team. The forwards have to be able to rely on service from the midfield, the midfield have to rely on the defence if they are to move forward. This season as in many previous we have had the occasional game where we looked to be a good team. Unfortunately we have had a lot of games where we have looked as if it was the first time the players had met. We must aim for a balanced approach, record signings make the headlines but looking back some of our best signings were bargains. This is so true.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 18, 2017 17:30:52 GMT
Old Father Time or the cast of Cocoon at this rate.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 18, 2017 17:31:04 GMT
Glen Feckin Johnson and Charlie feckin Adam
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 18, 2017 17:47:50 GMT
Glen Johnson.๐
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Post by fulagoals on Apr 18, 2017 18:17:55 GMT
Stephen Ireland
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 18, 2017 19:44:26 GMT
Even trying to put a positive hat on (don't laugh I know), I can only see us signing one of them and that's the bloke that's already here. And I think we'll even struggle with that one! They would all cost well over 60 million, you have to laugh at some peoples suggestions.. There is more chance of me organising a threesome with britney spears and scarllett johansson than the pizza boys signing sigurdsson and trippier. Though I will pray for both,as would be happy days :-)
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 18, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
Messi
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 18, 2017 20:18:10 GMT
Getting very messi indeed ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) back to the future with Mark Hughes and his team, contract extensions for GJ, CA, SJW and PC who next Glenda or SI maybe SG FFS the man is a fuckin full blown bell end.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 18, 2017 20:34:55 GMT
To answer the OP, a new manager.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 18, 2017 20:36:23 GMT
I don't think Hughes is wedded to a particular formation, especially not the 4231 no more. Shaq will never be a prem no 10 imo (prepared to be proved wrong, because I want him on the pitch, but not double marked, crowded out and kicked apart in the middle). With Bojan in a 433 it's the false 9 you're describing which certainly worked as a surprise surprise. I have some faith in Diouf and Ramadan as wingbacks etc. Better than our fullback configuration. Summer window and Academy to improve on that. I stay supportive but johns and Pieters aren't really cutting it in a back four anyway. So... Butland Shawcross Bruno Muniesa Diouf Allen ? Ramadan Shaq Berahino Arnie ? Good looking team but finding a good enough ? will be ahuge job; of the current playing staff it has to be Cameron. Hate to say it but Allen needs to be replaced too, on the whole he's been a disappointment apart from his brief form as an AM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 21:24:53 GMT
Getting very messi indeed ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) ย back to the future with Mark Hughes and his team, contract extensions for GJ, CA, SJW and PC who next Glenda or SI maybe SG FFS the man is a fuckin full blown bell end. A Stoke fan talking about the manager of our club ladies and gentlemen....
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 19, 2017 7:22:55 GMT
John Tery
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 19, 2017 7:23:32 GMT
John Terry
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Post by alster on Apr 19, 2017 8:41:21 GMT
We look more likely to need to build scaffolding around our creaking players than build a team.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 19, 2017 9:35:23 GMT
I was more making a case for the type of player we need and the amounts we will need to spend. We have to be looking at a 50m gross spend, maybe 25/30m net (if all the players we want to sell get sold at a decent price). Wanting 30m for Sigi, and getting it, are two different things, IMHO. He will not want to slum it in the Championship and would the top 6 go for him again after his failed Spurs move? As for Trippier, I still think he may be tempted by regular first team football, given Walker is a pretty big impediment to his getting it at Spurs. I hold my hands up on M'Vila......still think he would do a cracking job for us, though, and for "less than half an Imbula". Taylor should be right at the top of our list, with Pieters' less than stellar form and Muniesa's suspect injury record. BMI should be held hostage once the season ends until he puts pen to paper - he is that important to us right now. I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. Who's going to score the goals Bayern?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2017 9:38:18 GMT
I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. Who's going to score the goals Bayern? Shaq, Arnie, Berahino? Diouf too. And Bojan or his replacement. There's loads of goals there. We just need to find a formation that works for them all.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 19, 2017 9:56:35 GMT
Who's going to score the goals Bayern? Shaq, Arnie, Berahino? Diouf too. And Bojan or his replacement. There's loads of goals there. We just need to find a formation that works for them all. The others have shown what they can do though and we're still low scorers compared to those teams around us. Berahino is the slightly unknown quantity in that he may come good. If we were to go back to Bojan at number 10 (unlikely I think) then he'd score at least 10 a season and create too. Arnie and Shaq are capabel of scoring the same amount so, on paper, the potential is there. The challenge is keeping them out at the other end as we've shipped too many for too long. With Butland back we'll be stronger but I'm concerned that the existing full backs give us enough cover. I'd go all out for two new midfielders and get rid of Imbula, Adam, Ireland and Whelan, with Allen, Afellay and Cameron in reserve. I think you also feel that midfield is key, but I'd argue that the problems are all over the pitch. However, without too much disruption, these two new midfielders, both possessing a combination of defensive and offensive abilities, could pave the way for a refreshed approach and then a gradual evolution in the months thereafter.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 19, 2017 10:10:36 GMT
I was more making a case for the type of player we need and the amounts we will need to spend. We have to be looking at a 50m gross spend, maybe 25/30m net (if all the players we want to sell get sold at a decent price). Wanting 30m for Sigi, and getting it, are two different things, IMHO. He will not want to slum it in the Championship and would the top 6 go for him again after his failed Spurs move? As for Trippier, I still think he may be tempted by regular first team football, given Walker is a pretty big impediment to his getting it at Spurs. I hold my hands up on M'Vila......still think he would do a cracking job for us, though, and for "less than half an Imbula". Taylor should be right at the top of our list, with Pieters' less than stellar form and Muniesa's suspect injury record. BMI should be held hostage once the season ends until he puts pen to paper - he is that important to us right now. I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. SHIT !!!.........I fully agree with you๐ Can we have more of this, and less of the anti Grant,Afellay, Hughes bollocks please ๐
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2017 10:12:09 GMT
I just think the Trippier ship has sailed big time. Agree though re what we should be looking at. We need imo at least 4 players for the starting XI. 2 full backs and 2 midfielders. Do that and keep BMI and we have a bloody good side. SHIT !!!.........I fully agree with you๐ Can we have more of this, and less of the anti Grant,Afellay, Hughes bollocks please ๐ But I think all of them are average and don't enjoy watching any of them do their thing! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) So no!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2017 10:14:19 GMT
Shaq, Arnie, Berahino? Diouf too. And Bojan or his replacement. There's loads of goals there. We just need to find a formation that works for them all. The others have shown what they can do though and we're still low scorers compared to those teams around us. Berahino is the slightly unknown quantity in that he may come good. If we were to go back to Bojan at number 10 (unlikely I think) then he'd score at least 10 a season and create too. Arnie and Shaq are capabel of scoring the same amount so, on paper, the potential is there. The challenge is keeping them out at the other end as we've shipped too many for too long. With Butland back we'll be stronger but I'm concerned that the existing full backs give us enough cover. I'd go all out for two new midfielders and get rid of Imbula, Adam, Ireland and Whelan, with Allen, Afellay and Cameron in reserve. I think you also feel that midfield is key, but I'd argue that the problems are all over the pitch. However, without too much disruption, these two new midfielders, both possessing a combination of defensive and offensive abilities, could pave the way for a refreshed approach and then a gradual evolution in the months thereafter. I think if we got good modern full backs in it could transform us tbh! I think they're key. Also the midfield needs that overhaul. We can't pass the ball in there and have any hope we'll keep it currently, even with Allen there. We need players in there who are good under pressure and keep the ball. As well as defend or attack. We have too many players that come under category "they do a job".
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 19, 2017 10:16:19 GMT
SHIT !!!.........I fully agree with you๐ Can we have more of this, and less of the anti Grant,Afellay, Hughes bollocks please ๐ But I think all of them are average and don't enjoy watching any of them do their thing! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) So no! I'am at work Mr B, so haven't got time to debate with you....But be a good boy and keep those good posts coming ๐
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Post by st9 on Apr 19, 2017 12:24:27 GMT
You have to build a system that concedes as least as possible whilst creating chances for your forwards. Sounds simple, rarely is. It is up to the management team to sift through the squad and find a regular base system that can do this with what we have, or with what we have that can be extended with transfers. Like Leicester with the 4-4-2 that they used, we have to find out our key players and how they fit together, how their strengths and weaknesses play off against each other. The way I look at our general squad as is; I see an experienced back four, lacking in pace with full backs that have limited quality on the ball - a midfield that is hard working but lacking in pace and creativity. Three wide men that like cutting in and a slow forward line that would thrive from crosses with a certain configuration and through balls with another. So, how would YOU create a system from that and what would YOU do to change it over the summer? Totally agree. We don't have a system nor an identity with how we set-up and play. We don't know our best starting XI and we don't seem to know what we need to fix it. On re-reading what I just wrote, how does anyone know what pegs we need if we don't know where we are sticking them or what we are want them to do. st9
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