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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 13, 2017 7:51:10 GMT
If we lose all our foundations we will crumble
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Post by skemstokie on Apr 13, 2017 7:52:41 GMT
Theres people on here tonight on this fucking thread who want shooting in the back of the head give me a gun - put the fuckers in front of me and Ill happily oblige what a disgusting bunch of disloyal fuckers !!!!! there's only one true legend at the club right now and thats Ryan you ungrateful set of complete and utter bastards !!!! Well said,you have a way with words.
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Post by Gods on Apr 13, 2017 10:08:47 GMT
How do you know that? It would surely be crazy to offer anyone a deal of that kind, for a start it would severely limit our capacity to sign 'next level' players since in effect we would be doubling up on their higher wages. Why would it limit us? Ryan is our captain and when he signed his last two contracts he was our most important player by some distance. Since signing it, we've added bojan, shaqiri, berahino and imbula to our ranks and before thatwe added kenwyne, crouch and Palacios. Signing "next level" players hasn't been a problem at all. A bigger problem has been whether these next level players are actually next level players at all. In my opinion, we haven't got a single big money/high profile signing right as yet under pulis or Hughes. I meant in the sense that say for the sake of argument Ryan is on £70k per week and we want to sign a player on £90k per week then not only would we need to pay an extra £90k for the new player we would also need to find an extra £20k for Ryan so the 'effective' cost to the club of the new player with Ryan's arrangement would be £110k per week. Do you see what I mean? Perhaps I am missing something but it seems incredibly nerous if such an arrangement really exists...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2017 10:56:53 GMT
Why would it limit us? Ryan is our captain and when he signed his last two contracts he was our most important player by some distance. Since signing it, we've added bojan, shaqiri, berahino and imbula to our ranks and before thatwe added kenwyne, crouch and Palacios. Signing "next level" players hasn't been a problem at all. A bigger problem has been whether these next level players are actually next level players at all. In my opinion, we haven't got a single big money/high profile signing right as yet under pulis or Hughes. I meant in the sense that say for the sake of argument Ryan is on £70k per week and we want to sign a player on £90k per week then not only would we need to pay an extra £90k for the new player we would also need to find an extra £20k for Ryan so the 'effective' cost to the club of the new player with Ryan's arrangement would be £110k per week. Do you see what I mean? Perhaps I am missing something but it seems incredibly nerous if such an arrangement really exists... I know what you are getting at but I don't see the relevance. Ryan is our captain and most important player so the club protected its most important asset by ensuring he would always be our highest paid player. When the time comes to renew his existing deal, given his potential waning importance, maybe that clause will disappear.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 13, 2017 11:06:47 GMT
I meant in the sense that say for the sake of argument Ryan is on £70k per week and we want to sign a player on £90k per week then not only would we need to pay an extra £90k for the new player we would also need to find an extra £20k for Ryan so the 'effective' cost to the club of the new player with Ryan's arrangement would be £110k per week. Do you see what I mean? Perhaps I am missing something but it seems incredibly nerous if such an arrangement really exists... I know what you are getting at but I don't see the relevance. Ryan is our captain and most important player so the club protected its most important asset by ensuring he would always be our highest paid player. When the time comes to renew his existing deal, given his potential waning importance, maybe that clause will disappear. Even with his injury concerns, the fact he's going to do well over 30 games this season and at 29, his agent isn't going to be looking at a reduction in terms is he? Sadly a massive signing on fee for what is a transfer fee currently dwindling with every may appeal to a number of clubs. How do we get ourselves in such a mess? In terms of getting rid of people in key jobs at the club at the minute the manager is not at the top of the list.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2017 13:58:19 GMT
I know what you are getting at but I don't see the relevance. Ryan is our captain and most important player so the club protected its most important asset by ensuring he would always be our highest paid player. When the time comes to renew his existing deal, given his potential waning importance, maybe that clause will disappear. Even with his injury concerns, the fact he's going to do well over 30 games this season and at 29, his agent isn't going to be looking at a reduction in terms is he? Sadly a massive signing on fee for what is a transfer fee currently dwindling with every may appeal to a number of clubs. How do we get ourselves in such a mess? In terms of getting rid of people in key jobs at the club at the minute the manager is not at the top of the list. I've not read the whole thread but why is it even a worry? We extended his contract in the midst of his back injury, which people moaned about, so he can't be out of contract any time soon can he?
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 13, 2017 14:10:49 GMT
Even with his injury concerns, the fact he's going to do well over 30 games this season and at 29, his agent isn't going to be looking at a reduction in terms is he? Sadly a massive signing on fee for what is a transfer fee currently dwindling with every may appeal to a number of clubs. How do we get ourselves in such a mess? In terms of getting rid of people in key jobs at the club at the minute the manager is not at the top of the list. I've not read the whole thread but why is it even a worry? We extended his contract in the midst of his back injury, which people moaned about, so he can't be out of contract any time soon can he? Contract up next year apparently.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 13, 2017 14:20:56 GMT
Even with his injury concerns, the fact he's going to do well over 30 games this season and at 29, his agent isn't going to be looking at a reduction in terms is he? Sadly a massive signing on fee for what is a transfer fee currently dwindling with every may appeal to a number of clubs. How do we get ourselves in such a mess? In terms of getting rid of people in key jobs at the club at the minute the manager is not at the top of the list. I've not read the whole thread but why is it even a worry? We extended his contract in the midst of his back injury, which people moaned about, so he can't be out of contract any time soon can he? End of next season. It's not quite hit panic stations but when you see some of the contacts handed out lately you would have thought this would have been sewn up. If it's not done in the Summer then it definitely becomes a 'thing'.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 13, 2017 15:00:11 GMT
Whilst he's no doubt had better seasons, and his best years likely are behind him, Ryan really is the cornerstone of Stokes adventure at the top table and his departure would be hard to take for many The big issue I see is if Stoke do actually consider letting him go as it would indicate they are keeping Hughes and allowing him to shape the team as he sees fit. That, combined with losing Ryan would surely make us favorites for the drop next year. A sad thought all round Unless....we find and sign another BMI then all the knicker wetting and dribbling nonsense can cease. We haven't signed BMI yet, never mind finding another. As it stands he has 6 games left for us then he's off.
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Post by cozmick on Apr 13, 2017 18:01:26 GMT
Theres people on here tonight on this fucking thread who want shooting in the back of the head give me a gun - put the fuckers in front of me and Ill happily oblige what a disgusting bunch of disloyal fuckers !!!!! there's only one true legend at the club right now and thats Ryan you ungrateful set of complete and utter bastards !!!! I'm not gay or owt like that but fucking marry me. Truer words have never been said on the oatcake.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 13, 2017 18:32:13 GMT
I'm convinced that I've seen body language from Ryan that suggests he's fed up with Hughes's lack of proper organisation, so perhaps this story tells us that it's one or the other to go over the summer. A very easy choice for me - fetch the van.....
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Post by stokiesteve on Apr 13, 2017 18:43:05 GMT
A big decision for Ryan.
Does he remain at Stoke, where no doubt his family are comfortable, an area where he has been stable for a long time now, or does he move to another club? Newcastle United aren't the club they were in the 90's, ok they have a big fan base but they are perennial under achievers and seem to struggle a lot.
Either way, he may see it as a refreshing change. Newcastle is undoubtedly a bigger club than Stoke and it would be a whole new fresh environment for him.
However, as with Dave Kitson, making a big move up north doesn't always work out does it? His family may suffer and he may not be able to settle, as with Dave. He'll end up going back to somewhere near his family and his career could just vanish. Again, as with Dave.
At Stoke he has stability and the very rare accolade of being a long term popular player, a rock at one club and should he stay I have no doubt he will go on to be a true legend at Stoke. I just don't think the trip up to Newcastle is anything special, and whey up the options is it really a good move?
If City or United came in, or even Everton, I would entirely get it. But Newcastle, with all that traveling, in the middle of nowhere and weather that makes Stoke seem almost mediterranean? I would advise him to stay put.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 13, 2017 18:59:17 GMT
Theres people on here tonight on this fucking thread who want shooting in the back of the head give me a gun - put the fuckers in front of me and Ill happily oblige what a disgusting bunch of disloyal fuckers !!!!! there's only one true legend at the club right now and thats Ryan you ungrateful set of complete and utter bastards !!!! I'm not gay or owt like that but fucking marry me. Truer words have never been said on the oatcake. X3
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Post by 3putts on Apr 13, 2017 21:02:24 GMT
I'm not gay or owt like that but fucking marry me. Truer words have never been said on the oatcake. X3 x4
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 13, 2017 21:38:59 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 13, 2017 21:52:08 GMT
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Post by generationex on Apr 13, 2017 21:59:39 GMT
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 13, 2017 22:48:46 GMT
Might be a decent move for him. Great payday for before he retires, no massive pressure of playing for a big club or at least the expectation he would have if he was to go to a Liverpool or Spurs. Becoming out of favour with some of our fans too.
A disaster for us mind, another nail in the defensive coffin(maybe the final one). Some have mentioned we could use the money to freshen the defence up and get some players in, but how much would it cost to buy a player of the same ilk as Shawcross, is there even a player out there that Stoke could attract that is better than him - highly unlikely and if there was one we would have to use all the money from the Shawcross deal to get them to sign.
We have not even managed to attract a centre-half anywhere near as good as Huth yet and he was a player deemed not good enough to get in a Stoke defence that leaked over 70 goals in 2016 and yet has been a regular in a title winning team and a team that has navigated its way to the champions league QF and a regular under 2 different managers - doesn't really give me faith in our current setup or that we have any idea how to attract a decent defender or if we even know what a decent defender looks like.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 13, 2017 23:03:39 GMT
I'd hardly call that the big 'fuck off' to other clubs I'd hoped for from Hughes. 'We're looking to re-contract him?' Mealy Mouthed shit waved through by a lapdog press pack.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Apr 14, 2017 3:42:01 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Apr 14, 2017 6:37:45 GMT
X7 We have some complete tossers following our club. Part of me hopes we get relegated to sift the fuckers out. The lack of respect shown by some on here is despicable. Wish they'd fuck off and watch their football elsewhere.
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2017 9:21:55 GMT
Might be a decent move for him. Great payday for before he retires, no massive pressure of playing for a big club or at least the expectation he would have if he was to go to a Liverpool or Spurs. Becoming out of favour with some of our fans too. A disaster for us mind, another nail in the defensive coffin(maybe the final one). Some have mentioned we could use the money to freshen the defence up and get some players in, but how much would it cost to buy a player of the same ilk as Shawcross, is there even a player out there that Stoke could attract that is better than him - highly unlikely and if there was one we would have to use all the money from the Shawcross deal to get them to sign. We have not even managed to attract a centre-half anywhere near as good as Huth yet and he was a player deemed not good enough to get in a Stoke defence that leaked over 70 goals in 2016 and yet has been a regular in a title winning team and a team that has navigated its way to the champions league QF and a regular under 2 different managers - doesn't really give me faith in our current setup or that we have any idea how to attract a decent defender or if we even know what a decent defender looks like. Indi? Huth is a cult hero,rightly so but I prefer Bruno. Not our player yet though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 14, 2017 9:48:37 GMT
I've not read the whole thread but why is it even a worry? We extended his contract in the midst of his back injury, which people moaned about, so he can't be out of contract any time soon can he? End of next season. It's not quite hit panic stations but when you see some of the contacts handed out lately you would have thought this would have been sewn up. If it's not done in the Summer then it definitely becomes a 'thing'. The sentinel reports say he signed a 6 year contract in 2012. However, it was reported that he signed an extension in the midst of his back troubles and people on here were falling over themselves to stick the boot into both Ryan and the club. Surely that takes him beyond 2018? Either that or he didn't agree an extension as was reported?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 14, 2017 9:48:56 GMT
Would be stupid to sell him. He's still one of our better players.
Granted he's had some of his worst games in a Stoke shirt this season, but he's also had some of his best.
And with Bruno not ours yet, Muniesa likely to leave, Sweeney still young it would be reckless to let him leave.
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 15, 2017 19:58:57 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 15, 2017 20:02:00 GMT
Ryan Shawcross is leaning towards a departure from Stoke City this summer despite the club wanting to offer him a new contract. The one-time England international, who has made more than 370 appearances for Stoke, is understood to be weighing up a new challenge. Newcastle manager Rafa Benitez is very keen to take him this summer while Brighton, Leicester City and Watford are also showing an interest.
Wonder if this is agent talk?
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 15, 2017 20:02:44 GMT
Ryan Shawcross is leaning towards a departure from Stoke City this summer despite the club wanting to offer him a new contract.the one-time England international, who has made more than 370 appearances for Stoke, is understood to be weighing up a new challenge.
Wonder if this is agent talk? It must be. There's no way I can see Ryan actually wanting to leave.
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 15, 2017 20:04:27 GMT
Why would Shawcross go there unless the offer was so ridiculous he couldn't refuse. Does not make much sense to me. He is better staying where he is loved and apprecaited for all his efforts over the years.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 15, 2017 20:05:02 GMT
Paper talk. If ever he did leave at some point i hope it's for the right reasons and not that he left feeling un-loved and unappreciated
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 15, 2017 20:07:41 GMT
Ryan Shawcross is leaning towards a departure from Stoke City this summer despite the club wanting to offer him a new contract.the one-time England international, who has made more than 370 appearances for Stoke, is understood to be weighing up a new challenge.
Wonder if this is agent talk? It must be. There's no way I can see Ryan actually wanting to leave. Yep. Sounds like agent flexing his muscles. No way he'd want to leave after nearly 400 games and nudging 30. But just trying to warn the club not to get cute in negotiations. Hopefully.....
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