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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 11, 2017 18:26:16 GMT
The unfortunate truth is there mate. He's got to prove himself because he's been given a platform to play first team football, as he wanted. Let's not pretend he was just cast off into the night, he was willing to go somewhere to get first team football. He's not that magician we bought. His injury, whether physically or the mental impact it had (coupled with his anxiety issues) have seen to that. I'm happy to be proven wrong. In fact I'd love to be proven wrong as he was a joy to watch and we'd kill for creativity like that in this squad. But the decline his own game has had since returning is there, we've all seen it, now Mainz are seeing it. If Bojan comes back, Hughes goes and a new manager takes him under his wing, I'll happily say right here- I was dead wrong about Bojan. I do see your point, Bojan's form obviously slumped and he obviously wanted a platform to prove he's still a good player, i just don't understand why we let him leave and not give him the platform here with the rest of the underperformers, the whole squad needs to prove that they're better than what they've shown recently All i see now is a gaping hole where an attacking midfielder should be, a striker that needs service and someone to link up with and absolutely no options to fix it If you think the rest of the team is under performing what makes you think an under performing Bojan would improve the team? I get the idea that Bojan might improve if he's got a solid side around him but there really is no evidence that he has the drive and confidence to inspire a failing side. If he was that sort of player he'd be getting rave reports at Mainz. Also I'm really not convinced a Bojan style player would get the best out of Berahino - he looks the sort of striker who needs someone playing beside or even in front of him. Although none of them are as gifted as Bojan Walters, Crouch, Diouf and even Bony look a better bet to partner Berahino up front. I know this all sounds "anti Bojan" - but I'm really not anti Bojan - I'd love to see him come good for us but the reality for me is that this is purely wishful thinking based on flashes of genius. He's been given plenty of chances here and on loan and its simply not happening on a consistent enough basis to warrant a place in the starting 11 - especially if the other 10 aren't firing on all cylinders either.
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 11, 2017 19:35:21 GMT
What we have been seeing since Jan 2016 is pretty poor. Our attacking options are Bojan, Joselu, Diouf, Arnie,Ramadan, Berahino, Bony, Shaqiri, Crouch and Walters. The best of these players were apparently supposed to play in front of Allen and/ or Imbula.
Markie Sparkie and his team brought in all but two of these players. His main man appears to be Berahino who has yet to score for the club
No goals in last 5 away games, four defeats in a row. Big wages, big transfer fees and two of our star attackers achieving very little abroad. Bojan might be better than the players we have pulling on the red and white stripes at the moment but none of Hughes' attacking signings appears to flourish in a Hughes team do they? For that reason I think Coates will get rid of the manager at the end of the season, rather than give him more money to waste.
What on earth we then do with these misfits on large wages and long contracts God only knows.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 12, 2017 9:48:37 GMT
Anyone any idea if they've tried hypnotherapy, CBT, NLP or anything along those lines with him?
Would seem an obvious route so I'd imagine so.
It just has to be a psychological thing with him, he evidently has the talent.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 21, 2017 8:05:02 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2017 8:15:32 GMT
Given his big contact and given his poor season at two clubs this season it would be surprising if there are any serious bids to buy him. Either he smooths it out here or he goes out on loan again.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 21, 2017 8:26:32 GMT
Given his big contact and given his poor season at two clubs this season it would be surprising if there are any serious bids to buy him. Either he smooths it out here or he goes out on loan again. True - but it's the first time I've seen Hughes open the door to the fact that he still could have a future here, even though the fact he's got 3 years left on 70k always made it a probability that he'd be very hard to move on permanently. Wonder how frosty relations are between them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 8:39:38 GMT
Really want him to come back and be the player who helped tear Man City and the Gooons a new one.
If he, Arnie & Shaq click, they would be up there with the most creative frontline in the prem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 8:40:39 GMT
I don't trust anything he says anymore in fairness.
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2017 8:40:48 GMT
Given his big contact and given his poor season at two clubs this season it would be surprising if there are any serious bids to buy him. Either he smooths it out here or he goes out on loan again. True - but it's the first time I've seen Hughes open the door to the fact that he still could have a future here, even though the fact he's got 3 years left on 70k always made it a probability that he'd be very hard to move on permanently. Wonder how frosty relations are between them? Both parties made it clear it was only a loan. I think we didn't believe them 😋
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Post by mrred on Apr 21, 2017 8:46:36 GMT
I don't trust anything he says anymore in fairness. Least of all Mark Hughes. The blokes a walking contradiction.
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Post by madnellie on Apr 21, 2017 9:24:58 GMT
I do hope so. Would love to see him and Saido on the pitch at the same time.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 21, 2017 11:21:53 GMT
I do hope so. Would love to see him and Saido on the pitch at the same time. I'd love him back too, but my specs are a bit rose tinted. First of all he needs to get his mojo back but we then need to reshape to accommodate him. I mentioned a while ago in another post that if we got Butland back and stayed with a back four of Johnson, Ryan, Bruno and Pieters (bear with me) then we need to strengthen that middle of the park and give sufficient protection to the defence. I'd bring in two central midfielders (letting Adam and Whelan go, plus Ireland) both of whom would offer varying amounts of defensive and offensive nous. I'd have Allen as next in line to replace either one or work in a three when necessary perhaps if Bojan isn't available or it's not happening for him. We then have Arnie and Shaq as first choice on the wings with Sobhi as back up and Berahino as our central striker (although I'd look to buy another as Joselu will likely be on his way and Diouf doesn't get games down the middle anymore really). This might enable us to disrupt the make up of the squad, tighten things up in the middle of the park and let our (on paper) creative and attacking quality to move forward. Bojan, Shaq and Arnie are all capable of scoring 10 goals a season each with our central striker getting close to 15. Keep them out a bit better at the other end and we may get a bit closer to 8th or 7th place and do better in the cup.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 21, 2017 11:34:00 GMT
What we have been seeing since Jan 2016 is pretty poor. Our attacking options are Bojan, Joselu, Diouf, Arnie,Ramadan, Berahino, Bony, Shaqiri, Crouch and Walters. The best of these players were apparently supposed to play in front of Allen and/ or Imbula. Markie Sparkie and his team brought in all but two of these players. His main man appears to be Berahino who has yet to score for the club No goals in last 5 away games, four defeats in a row. Big wages, big transfer fees and two of our star attackers achieving very little abroad. Bojan might be better than the players we have pulling on the red and white stripes at the moment but none of Hughes' attacking signings appears to flourish in a Hughes team do they? For that reason I think Coates will get rid of the manager at the end of the season, rather than give him more money to waste. What on earth we then do with these misfits on large wages and long contracts God only knows. That's spot on - except I'm less sure than you that Coates will sack him. Re Bojan - it is mystifying how a player who looked such quality before his injury has since faded. Is it down to the way he's been managed (or mis-managed?), or something else?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 21, 2017 11:46:46 GMT
I don't trust anything he says anymore in fairness. C'mon really? What scandalous lies has he told the fans or press?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 12:06:37 GMT
What we have been seeing since Jan 2016 is pretty poor. Our attacking options are Bojan, Joselu, Diouf, Arnie,Ramadan, Berahino, Bony, Shaqiri, Crouch and Walters. The best of these players were apparently supposed to play in front of Allen and/ or Imbula. Markie Sparkie and his team brought in all but two of these players. His main man appears to be Berahino who has yet to score for the club No goals in last 5 away games, four defeats in a row. Big wages, big transfer fees and two of our star attackers achieving very little abroad. Bojan might be better than the players we have pulling on the red and white stripes at the moment but none of Hughes' attacking signings appears to flourish in a Hughes team do they? For that reason I think Coates will get rid of the manager at the end of the season, rather than give him more money to waste. What on earth we then do with these misfits on large wages and long contracts God only knows. That's spot on - except I'm less sure than you that Coates will sack him. Re Bojan - it is mystifying how a player who looked such quality before his injury has since faded. Is it down to the way he's been managed (or mis-managed?), or something else? It's because he hasn't faded since his injury. He was (along with shaq and arnie) part of the attack that gave us the best free flowing, attacking football I've seen since Stoke got into the prem. Since April (around the time Jack got injured and the 4-x began) he's started something like 7 games. He was 2nd top scorer aswell last year! despite being injured until mid September and hardly playing past March. Similar to how I view Shawcross; people are confusing Stoke as a team turning shite with Bojan/Ryan turning shite.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 13:25:25 GMT
I don't trust anything he says anymore in fairness. C'mon really? What scandalous lies has he told the fans or press? Bojan being in long term plans prior to his loan and many articles citing a summer sale. Bony getting another chance this season. Joselu getting another chance before being dropped for three months. Then being loaned out. Leicester at home not being influenced by subs. The list goes on.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 21, 2017 13:27:45 GMT
I think a good pre-season in Austria and Bojan will be back to his best. We are going to Austria are we?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 13:49:41 GMT
What we have been seeing since Jan 2016 is pretty poor. Our attacking options are Bojan, Joselu, Diouf, Arnie,Ramadan, Berahino, Bony, Shaqiri, Crouch and Walters. The best of these players were apparently supposed to play in front of Allen and/ or Imbula. Markie Sparkie and his team brought in all but two of these players. His main man appears to be Berahino who has yet to score for the club No goals in last 5 away games, four defeats in a row. Big wages, big transfer fees and two of our star attackers achieving very little abroad. Bojan might be better than the players we have pulling on the red and white stripes at the moment but none of Hughes' attacking signings appears to flourish in a Hughes team do they? For that reason I think Coates will get rid of the manager at the end of the season, rather than give him more money to waste. What on earth we then do with these misfits on large wages and long contracts God only knows. That's spot on - except I'm less sure than you that Coates will sack him. Re Bojan - it is mystifying how a player who looked such quality before his injury has since faded. Is it down to the way he's been managed (or mis-managed?), or something else? Bojan's own fragile mindset and psychology? He needs a good sports psychologist.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 21, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
C'mon really? What scandalous lies has he told the fans or press? Bojan being in long term plans prior to his loan and many articles citing a summer sale. Bony getting another chance this season. Joselu getting another chance before being dropped for three months. Then being loaned out. Leicester at home not being influenced by subs. The list goes on. I see your point but things change -- takes two to Tango I'll give it a shot defending MH on some of your list He hasn't lied, things change! Bojan - Like Huth, he recovered from injury, but wasn't playing regular and wasn't happy about it, and was out of the team due to poor performances more than anything. Bojan I'm sure was in Hughes Long Term Plans, but I think Bojan agitated for the move, which likely upset Hughes but --He probably hasn't been screamed at and hauled off at HT before in his entire life. I can see Hughes respecting strong characters and not being to interested in whiners and moaners and let him go to see if something changed in his outlook on Stoke... Its better he went than stayed here uphappy, resenting the club. Which brings us to BOny Bony -- Those comments he made to the papers about Stoke being the wrong choice didn't help him. Hughes probably wanted to send him back immediately, but couldn't.. TP would have done similar like he did to Jerome when he was froze out, when he alluded the same type of shit to the papers.. SAF would probably have done the same as many others would have. Mourhino, most of them wouldn't put up with that. I wonder how work would go for any of us if we were slagging our manager and company to the papers, especially him being a guest player /loanee? Joselu - THis one is mysterious, but he can't really tell the press or fans that he is not in our plans, kind of shafts our negotiations going forward. DO you think Joselu should be starting at Stoke? I don't. Crouch is probably more effective in Hughes' eyes, and he is probably right. The manager made a decision after those comments I guess. Maybe Joselu wanted out as well.. Im unsure what Leicester game you mean, the home match? Funny reading back on it Bojan was man of the Match on the BBC www.bbc.com/sport/football/38272819I understand you are frustrated with him, but to call him a liar, at least in the points you have raised, is a bit of a stretch in my opinion anyway
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 21, 2017 14:30:28 GMT
Knowing our luck Arnie will be sent on loan to Mainz next season to keep him company.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 21, 2017 14:57:20 GMT
Hughes was still bigging Bony up for game time before the end of the season and he hasn't been in the squad since. There have been various instances of Hughes saying one thing then doing the opposite and I think that will be having a negative effect on the players who aren't in the team. How can you find any motivation on a day to day basis if you know he's not going to pick you whatever the circumstances?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 15:02:56 GMT
Hughes was still bigging Bony up for game time before the end of the season and he hasn't been in the squad since. There have been various instances of Hughes saying one thing then doing the opposite and I think that will be having a negative effect on the players who aren't in the team. How can you find any motivation on a day to day basis if you know he's not going to pick you whatever the circumstances? I do agree that he has said things and failed to deliver. Would demotivate, for sure. Bony "sharp in training" then we never see him again. Not that I really want to. My cat looks like a better prospect.
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