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Post by raythesailor on Mar 28, 2017 17:12:48 GMT
Is anybody else pissed off with Nichola and these winging Scots. ?
A feeble attempt to confuse the Brexit negotiations.
Let's get rid of Europe and then Scotland can either put up or shut up.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 28, 2017 17:55:41 GMT
I thought this thread would be five pages of love for the patriot that is trying to free her country from the tyranny of politicians that they didn't vote for.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 28, 2017 18:49:41 GMT
Once the EU fog has been successfully unravelled (however long that may take) then little miss Krankie can play politics to her hearts content with Scotland, by which time most folk will have forgotten who she is and her kettle will have long gone off the boil.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 28, 2017 19:24:20 GMT
A minority SNP party who lost seats at the last election with their "significant and material change in the circumstances" manifesto clause.
Backed by the Scottish Greens, who recently stated... “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage.”
A debacle of an economic plan was rejected in 2014 when oil was $100 barrel. I love Scotland and the Scots. They're too bright to fall for this.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 28, 2017 22:01:09 GMT
A minority SNP party who lost seats at the last election with their "significant and material change in the circumstances" manifesto clause. Backed by the Scottish Greens, who recently stated... “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage.” A debacle of an economic plan was rejected in 2014 when oil was $100 barrel. I love Scotland and the Scots. They're too bright to fall for this. They won the election with that "significant and material change in the circumstances" manifesto clause. Only right and correct that they should stick to it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 28, 2017 22:15:51 GMT
A minority SNP party who lost seats at the last election with their "significant and material change in the circumstances" manifesto clause. Backed by the Scottish Greens, who recently stated... “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage.” A debacle of an economic plan was rejected in 2014 when oil was $100 barrel. I love Scotland and the Scots. They're too bright to fall for this. They won the election with that "significant and material change in the circumstances" manifesto clause. Only right and correct that they should stick to it. They were the biggest minority party. They lost support on that manifesto. Anyway, were back to nuances so I'll leave it there. I hope they do stick with it because it'll be their downfall. Just as it was in Quebec. The SNP are proving to be shit day to day administrators and that in tray won't suddenly disappear. The longer May makes them wait the more their support will wain because of domestic incompetence. May hasn't said NO NEVER to another indyref and the majority don't want a second one anyway and most of the others don't want one so soon so if May just repeats "Now's not the time". She'll be fine. The stirring up of Scottish ire towards Westminster if May ignores Holyrood is just a line from the SNP and the BBC to make people think this is a story. In reality two years of SNP's questions to the PM every Wednesday talking about indyref2 will bore everyone to tears.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 28, 2017 22:44:00 GMT
They won the election with that "significant and material change in the circumstances" manifesto clause. Only right and correct that they should stick to it. They were the biggest minority party. They lost support on that manifesto. Anyway, were back to nuances so I'll leave it there. I hope they do stick with it because it'll be their downfall. Just as it was in Quebec. The SNP are proving to be shit day to day administrators and that in tray won't suddenly disappear. The longer May makes them wait the more their support will wain because of domestic incompetence. May hasn't said NO NEVER to another indyref and the majority don't want a second one anyway and most of the others don't want one so soon so if May just repeats "Now's not the time". She'll be fine. The stirring up of Scottish ire towards Westminster if May ignores Holyrood is just a line from the SNP and the BBC to make people think this is a story. In reality two years of SNP's questions to the PM every Wednesday talking about indyref2 will bore everyone to tears. Oh yeah, I forgot that elections were won by the party who gained the most seats and not the party who actually won the most seats. Or at least they are when it's Gert Wilders gaining seats, or the SNP losing seats. I'll give you some credit, all this spinning you do and you never get dizzy. Bravo. I'm not good at French, but does 'nuanced' translate as 'overtly biased bullshit'?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 28, 2017 23:31:06 GMT
They were the biggest minority party. They lost support on that manifesto. Anyway, were back to nuances so I'll leave it there. I hope they do stick with it because it'll be their downfall. Just as it was in Quebec. The SNP are proving to be shit day to day administrators and that in tray won't suddenly disappear. The longer May makes them wait the more their support will wain because of domestic incompetence. May hasn't said NO NEVER to another indyref and the majority don't want a second one anyway and most of the others don't want one so soon so if May just repeats "Now's not the time". She'll be fine. The stirring up of Scottish ire towards Westminster if May ignores Holyrood is just a line from the SNP and the BBC to make people think this is a story. In reality two years of SNP's questions to the PM every Wednesday talking about indyref2 will bore everyone to tears. Oh yeah, I forgot that elections were won by the party who gained the most seats and not the party who actually won the most seats. Or at least they are when it's Gert Wilders gaining seats, or the SNP losing seats. I'll give you some credit, all this spinning you do and you never get dizzy. Bravo. I'm not good at French, but does 'nuanced' translate as 'overtly biased bullshit'? I forgot you just read the headlines and think you know the whole story. Rutte 'wins' by losing 8 seats and Wilders 'loses' by gaining 5 seats. SNP 'win' by becoming a minority party. AfD lose in Saarland local election but gain 3 seats for the first time. No swing analysis? No trends or forecasts? No. righto then. Stoke beat Birmingham in the League cup a couple of seasons ago. So we must be better than them right? No deeper analysis? Not from you obviously. We won that's all. Mark Hughes said "We will hopefully keep on progressing in the competition but there are a lot of things that we need to learn from tonight." You should listen.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 29, 2017 6:27:39 GMT
Oh yeah, I forgot that elections were won by the party who gained the most seats and not the party who actually won the most seats. Or at least they are when it's Gert Wilders gaining seats, or the SNP losing seats. I'll give you some credit, all this spinning you do and you never get dizzy. Bravo. I'm not good at French, but does 'nuanced' translate as 'overtly biased bullshit'? I forgot you just read the headlines and think you know the whole story. Rutte 'wins' by losing 8 seats and Wilders 'loses' by gaining 5 seats. SNP 'win' by becoming a minority party. AfD lose in Saarland local election but gain 3 seats for the first time. No swing analysis? No trends or forecasts? No. righto then. Stoke beat Birmingham in the League cup a couple of seasons ago. So we must be better than them right? No deeper analysis? Not from you obviously. We won that's all. Mark Hughes said "We will hopefully keep on progressing in the competition but there are a lot of things that we need to learn from tonight." You should listen. Rutte won by...errr....winning the election i.e. getting more seats than any other party. I'm fully aware that deeper analysis is needed, and many times enlightening. It can help us predict future outcomes or spot ongoing trends. However, when deeper analysis is only used to make one side seem as though they're always winning it's pointless. Worse than that, it's just spin. How did Birmingham get on in the next round of the cup after we beat them? I assume everyone claimed it as a Birmingham win if they were the better team - the result matter little eh?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 29, 2017 6:31:38 GMT
Oh yeah, I forgot that elections were won by the party who gained the most seats and not the party who actually won the most seats. Or at least they are when it's Gert Wilders gaining seats, or the SNP losing seats. I'll give you some credit, all this spinning you do and you never get dizzy. Bravo. I'm not good at French, but does 'nuanced' translate as 'overtly biased bullshit'? I forgot you just read the headlines and think you know the whole story. Rutte 'wins' by losing 8 seats and Wilders 'loses' by gaining 5 seats. SNP 'win' by becoming a minority party. AfD lose in Saarland local election but gain 3 seats for the first time. No swing analysis? No trends or forecasts? No. righto then. Stoke beat Birmingham in the League cup a couple of seasons ago. So we must be better than them right? No deeper analysis? Not from you obviously. We won that's all. Mark Hughes said "We will hopefully keep on progressing in the competition but there are a lot of things that we need to learn from tonight." You should listen. Btw, are you talking about SNP being a minority parliament in Holyrood or Westminster? In Holyrood they're the majority party in a minority government - in Westminster they're a minority party (but they won a shit load of seats in the last election so we may as well say they won the 2015 general election).
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 29, 2017 7:01:36 GMT
I loved Ruth Davidson rounding on krankie yesterday and ordering her to sit down leaving the first minister speechless. It was brilliant and the stunned look on krankies face was priceless.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2017 8:53:59 GMT
I loved Ruth Davidson rounding on krankie yesterday and ordering her to sit down leaving the first minister speechless. It was brilliant and the stunned look on krankies face was priceless. Yes she's quite impressive and doesn't take herself seriously could be a potential future party leader. She and the Labour leader nailed the SNP on respecting the will of holyrood during the debate by listing instances where the SNP has done exactly that.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 29, 2017 9:15:57 GMT
I forgot you just read the headlines and think you know the whole story. Rutte 'wins' by losing 8 seats and Wilders 'loses' by gaining 5 seats. SNP 'win' by becoming a minority party. AfD lose in Saarland local election but gain 3 seats for the first time. No swing analysis? No trends or forecasts? No. righto then. Stoke beat Birmingham in the League cup a couple of seasons ago. So we must be better than them right? No deeper analysis? Not from you obviously. We won that's all. Mark Hughes said "We will hopefully keep on progressing in the competition but there are a lot of things that we need to learn from tonight." You should listen. Rutte won by...errr....winning the election i.e. getting more seats than any other party. I'm fully aware that deeper analysis is needed, and many times enlightening. It can help us predict future outcomes or spot ongoing trends. However, when deeper analysis is only used to make one side seem as though they're always winning it's pointless. Worse than that, it's just spin. How did Birmingham get on in the next round of the cup after we beat them? I assume everyone claimed it as a Birmingham win if they were the better team - the result matter little eh? The voting trends I've pointed out Trump, UKIP, AfD, Wilders etc are real. It's only because you don't like that type of ideology that makes you call it spin. You dismiss swings and trends because you've got your head in the sand. Scottish voting trends show how Tories benefit while Labour flounders - The Guardian "But behind those headlines are other significant trends which show how Scottish politics is now evolving." "Voting patterns suggest instead that Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, triumphed by attracting centre-right voters who once backed the Liberal Democrats" The Austrian election is not a triumph for liberals: far-Right European populism is here to stay - The Telegraph "But such celebration is premature, for this is far from being a liberal triumph. On the contrary, the latest election result in Europe is yet another reminder of a growing challenge to the liberal mainstream that has been building for many decades and still has a long way to run." Matteo Renzi resigns: Italy's PM stands down after crushing 20-point defeat in referendum - The Independent "The "No" victory was even greater than gloomy opinion polls had indicated up until 18 November, after which the media were banned from publishing survey results." Why are right wing parties thriving across Europe? - New Statesman Written before Brexit, Renzi resignation and Wilders gains.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 9:25:53 GMT
The Scots should stay part of the U.K. Met some great, friendly Scottish people over the years. Sod the Krankie!
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 29, 2017 9:46:33 GMT
The two parties that challenged Wilders head on, D66 and GreenLeft, gained most. D66 +7 seats and GL +10 (tripling it's representation!). As I've suggested before, for historical reasons there is limit to what these extremist parties can achieve electorally. Now if Fillon would just do the decent thing and chuck the towel in, Macron could easily see LePen off in the first round. The Economist on Dutch Election
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 29, 2017 10:47:22 GMT
Rutte won by...errr....winning the election i.e. getting more seats than any other party. I'm fully aware that deeper analysis is needed, and many times enlightening. It can help us predict future outcomes or spot ongoing trends. However, when deeper analysis is only used to make one side seem as though they're always winning it's pointless. Worse than that, it's just spin. How did Birmingham get on in the next round of the cup after we beat them? I assume everyone claimed it as a Birmingham win if they were the better team - the result matter little eh? The voting trends I've pointed out Trump, UKIP, AfD, Wilders etc are real. It's only because you don't like that type of ideology that makes you call it spin. You dismiss swings and trends because you've got your head in the sand. Scottish voting trends show how Tories benefit while Labour flounders - The Guardian "But behind those headlines are other significant trends which show how Scottish politics is now evolving." "Voting patterns suggest instead that Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, triumphed by attracting centre-right voters who once backed the Liberal Democrats" The Austrian election is not a triumph for liberals: far-Right European populism is here to stay - The Telegraph "But such celebration is premature, for this is far from being a liberal triumph. On the contrary, the latest election result in Europe is yet another reminder of a growing challenge to the liberal mainstream that has been building for many decades and still has a long way to run." Matteo Renzi resigns: Italy's PM stands down after crushing 20-point defeat in referendum - The Independent "The "No" victory was even greater than gloomy opinion polls had indicated up until 18 November, after which the media were banned from publishing survey results." Why are right wing parties thriving across Europe? - New Statesman Written before Brexit, Renzi resignation and Wilders gains. I'm fully aware that right and far-right parties are making progress all over Europe - this much is obvious. That doesn't change that the Dutch rejected a chance of a far-right throbber to lead their country. Maybe that's an isolated incident (I think it probably is) or maybe the French and German elections will point to a longer trend. In terms of head in the sand, you can't even accept that Wilders didn't win the election In all seriousness, you should work for a political party. Your talents are wasted on here.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 29, 2017 10:55:02 GMT
The two parties that challenged Wilders head on, D66 and GreenLeft, gained most. D66 +7 seats and GL +10 (tripling it's representation!). As I've suggested before, for historical reasons there is limit to what these extremist parties can achieve electorally. Now if Fillon would just do the decent thing and chuck the towel in, Macron could easily see LePen off in the first round. The Economist on Dutch ElectionI think you're correct with extremist parties but I don't think it's as simple as that generally. It's not often that people jump directly from Red to Blue hence traditionally more smaller parties receiving a boost. Whether that swing continues over to the other side will be shown at the next elections. Labour movements in Scotland, UK, Holland and France are on their knees. Main party Leaders have had to move more to the right to try to hold their positions.
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 29, 2017 11:32:57 GMT
Alex (the needles stuck) Salmond has yet again embarrassed himself in PMQ,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 12:30:48 GMT
Alex (the needles stuck) Salmond has yet again embarrassed himself in PMQ, What has the odious git been saying now Ray ?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 29, 2017 13:05:13 GMT
The two parties that challenged Wilders head on, D66 and GreenLeft, gained most. D66 +7 seats and GL +10 (tripling it's representation!). As I've suggested before, for historical reasons there is limit to what these extremist parties can achieve electorally. Now if Fillon would just do the decent thing and chuck the towel in, Macron could easily see LePen off in the first round. The Economist on Dutch ElectionI think you're correct with extremist parties but I don't think it's as simple as that generally. It's not often that people jump directly from Red to Blue hence traditionally more smaller parties receiving a boost. Whether that swing continues over to the other side will be shown at the next elections. Labour movements in Scotland, UK, Holland and France are on their knees. Main party Leaders have had to move more to the right to try to hold their positions. You make a fair point rog. I hate the lack of a strong opposition here. It's bad for democracy. It leaves the government complacent and prone to error.
Just a point about the Dutch PvdA Labour Party. They are in the doldrums for going into government supporting Rutte and austerity - like the Lib Dems here. The Socialist Party(14 seats), on the other hand , has pretty much held it's own since 2010. In addition, the success of GreenLeft tells me that there is still plenty of life in the Left yet - it is just stupidly fragmented.
Similarly in France. M. Melenchon's "La France insoumise" Party (currently 5 points ahead ahead of Hamon's SP) splits the left vote.
For what it's worth, I think Labour would be as well constructing electoral pacts and campaigning for real proportional representation here*. Losing Scotland has shafted them. They have been "outLaboured" by the Nats.
*I never thought I'd ever say that about PR.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 31, 2017 11:30:34 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 31, 2017 12:20:02 GMT
'Power signing'. (not dressing).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 12:34:46 GMT
Did anyone else zoom in closer on that pic to see if they could catch a glimpse of lady thatchers golden bollocks?
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Post by salopstick on Mar 31, 2017 15:40:37 GMT
Did anyone else zoom in closer on that pic to see if they could catch a glimpse of lady thatchers golden bollocks? I am now
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 31, 2017 18:18:22 GMT
Can't we just tell NS to fuck the fuck off. Pick the smallest most desolate rock in the middle of the facking ocean that happens to be Scottish, Grant that independence and stick her on it. With the only other object being a giant fucking billboard with that poster of her and Jimmy Crankie on it
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 31, 2017 19:24:06 GMT
Can't we just tell NS to fuck the fuck off. Pick the smallest most desolate rock in the middle of the facking ocean that happens to be Scottish, Grant that independence and stick her on it. With the only other object being a giant fucking billboard with that poster of her and Jimmy Crankie on it Must be somewhere between Lerwick and Iceland that fits the bill with a once a month boat service. 👍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 19:34:47 GMT
How about Ailsa Craig ? Sturgeon would be in sight of the mainland but unable to get there - perfect punishment !
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 31, 2017 19:52:28 GMT
How about Ailsa Craig ? Sturgeon would be in sight of the mainland but unable to get there - perfect punishment ! A beach to burn her legs on and a big cliff just in case. Perfect. 😊
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 31, 2017 20:51:17 GMT
Surely if you don't like the Union you're in, you should applaud someone wanting to take back control and leave it?
A new referendum was in their manifesto - some credit for sticking to it surely, unlike the Tories who raised taxes despite promisinig not to in theirs then realised they'd promised not to and dropped their plans in an embarrassing u-turn lol
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 2, 2017 13:24:18 GMT
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