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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:59:57 GMT
Another inevitable consequence of the disasterous brexit vote. The Conservative and Unionist party presiding over the break up of Great Britain can you even begin to imagine it. If the government had a headache before this decision they have a migraine now This issue pre dates Brexit gods , it's opportunistic by the SNP and very risky . Not a lot to be gained by the Scots in independence, it's and emotional reaction at the moment . The economic reality will sink in at some point Hope so. It's like having your right arm working for the enemy at the minute
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 13, 2017 20:10:30 GMT
This issue pre dates Brexit gods , it's opportunistic by the SNP and very risky . Not a lot to be gained by the Scots in independence, it's and emotional reaction at the moment . The economic reality will sink in at some point Hope so. It's like having your right arm working for the enemy at the minute I don't believe the Scots will leave the union , they have more to lose now than they did in 2014 .
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Post by Gods on Mar 13, 2017 20:12:42 GMT
The EU have already said Scotland has to apply to join the EU and won't automatically remain a member.
So surely Sturgeon has to ask for a referendum immediately or wait until after Brexit to say 2018 makes no sense. Wasn't this all part off the appalling scaremongering tactics to make the Scots vote no? Exactly, vote independence and you may be out of the EU was the message, well the poor fuckers are out anyway and they didn't even vote for it, now they want another referendum and I don't wonder why!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 13, 2017 20:13:37 GMT
We'll just up the duty on Buckfast to counterbalance the increase in the price of Haggis.
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Post by Gods on Mar 13, 2017 20:17:03 GMT
Hope so. It's like having your right arm working for the enemy at the minute I don't believe the Scots will leave the union , they have more to lose now than they did in 2014 . They started the last referendum on 28% for Independence in the polls and finished with 45% on voting day. They are currently 50% in the polls for independence, I think they could well be gone, they won't be fooled again.
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 13, 2017 20:18:57 GMT
No matter how much media coaching wee Nicola gets, she will always look like someone who could handle themselves perfectly fine in a pub brawl, nutting the roughest hardman in Glasgow, then a knee to the "baws" before she carries on reading the Daily Record and drinking her 7th pint of Tennants like nothing happened. My kind of woman.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2017 20:19:12 GMT
Wasn't this all part off the appalling scaremongering tactics to make the Scots vote no? Exactly, vote independence and you may be out of the EU was the message, well the poor fuckers are out anyway and they didn't even vote for it, now they want another referendum and I don't wonder why! Even at the time EU confirmed as now there is no might about it. They're out if they vote independent. Scotland voted for the UK not to leave the EU, that doesn't automatically convert to a vote for Scotland leaving the UK.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2017 20:32:13 GMT
No matter how much media coaching wee Nicola gets, she will always look like someone who could handle themselves perfectly fine in a pub brawl, nutting the roughest hardman in Glasgow, then a knee to the "baws" before she carries on reading the Daily Record and drinking her 7th pint of Tennants like nothing happened. My kind of woman. She does look like a 'lady golfer' doesn't she.
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 13, 2017 20:39:51 GMT
No matter how much media coaching wee Nicola gets, she will always look like someone who could handle themselves perfectly fine in a pub brawl, nutting the roughest hardman in Glasgow, then a knee to the "baws" before she carries on reading the Daily Record and drinking her 7th pint of Tennants like nothing happened. My kind of woman. She does look like a 'lady golfer' doesn't she. Yes, she does.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 13, 2017 20:45:49 GMT
I don't believe the Scots will leave the union , they have more to lose now than they did in 2014 . They started the last referendum on 28% for Independence in the polls and finished with 45% on voting day. They are currently 50% in the polls for independence, I think they could well be gone, they won't be fooled again. Another project fear will be used to keep the ginger whingers in line .
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2017 21:03:19 GMT
They started the last referendum on 28% for Independence in the polls and finished with 45% on voting day. They are currently 50% in the polls for independence, I think they could well be gone, they won't be fooled again. Another project fear will be used to keep the ginger whingers in line . Some of it is reality though out of NATO and the EU and the pound and those MOD contracts for shipbuilding will not go to the Clyde.
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 13, 2017 21:58:57 GMT
She does look like a 'lady golfer' doesn't she. Yes, she does. Looks like a lady gopher
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 22:39:35 GMT
A drain on resources.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2017 23:03:04 GMT
They should be granted another referedum as long as they pay for it, if not give the rest of the union a referendum if we want to keep them, they had their oppurtunity in 2014 they bottled it let them go it alone they deserved what ever is comming to them. If they have the bollocks to vote leave as we did with Brexit cut all ties with the rest of the union no going back, good luck with the euro as your currency no barnet payments and a big fcuk off border.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 13, 2017 23:12:24 GMT
Let all of them leave but make them aware that as soon as they've gone they are on their own just like we will be when we do eventually leave the bullshit of the EU.
Independent state should mean that Scottish money stays in Scotland and English money stays in England that will fuck'em up!
It's a simplistic view but that's the way they see it so fuck'em!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 13, 2017 23:12:45 GMT
They should be granted another referedum as long as they pay for it, if not give the rest of the union a referendum if we want to keep them, they had their oppurtunity in 2014 they bottled it let them go it alone they deserved what ever is comming to them. If they have the bollocks to vote leave as we did with Brexit cut all ties with the rest of the union no going back, good luck with the euro as your currency no barnet payments and a big fcuk off border. I'm not real welder you know. ;-?
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Post by hammered on Mar 14, 2017 0:23:14 GMT
Merkel’s lent Nicola her EU dildo and the orgasm is delusional.......for a change
Faced with the reality that HER public already turned down their opportunity to make their own way but always armed with spiteful ambition, is clinging to the local Brexit outcome as proxy EU/Establishment messer and the timing fully intended to stiring the pot with the Article 50 vote etc.. but IMO has got no hope this time..
Rumour has it people on football message boards have a better understanding of a financially viable independent Scotland.
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 14, 2017 5:51:42 GMT
Is it the Scottish national party or the EU national party? Why would anyone want to take power from Westminster, let's not forget they've had power given back to them to certain degree, to just then go and hand it all over to Brussels. Doesn't make sense or sound nationalist at all. More europhile. Also, should the Orkney and Shetland Isles vote in favour of remaining apart of the UK rather than an independent Scotland, would that vote be respected as it pretty much runs on the same basis that the SNP are calling for a second referendum concerning the EU in out referendum? Personally hope they remain apart of the UK but if they vote to leave then they should be allowed to. (I'd want hadrians wall rebuilt mind) They're sending us their papists. Build that wall!
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 14, 2017 6:25:23 GMT
Is it the Scottish national party or the EU national party? Why would anyone want to take power from Westminster, let's not forget they've had power given back to them to certain degree, to just then go and hand it all over to Brussels. Doesn't make sense or sound nationalist at all. More europhile. Also, should the Orkney and Shetland Isles vote in favour of remaining apart of the UK rather than an independent Scotland, would that vote be respected as it pretty much runs on the same basis that the SNP are calling for a second referendum concerning the EU in out referendum? Personally hope they remain apart of the UK but if they vote to leave then they should be allowed to. (I'd want hadrians wall rebuilt mind) The scots will undoubtedly lose much of their autonomy. The euro will be imposed on them and with the U.K. Gone from The eu the dream of financial and political union will be a step closer . Not to mention the Spanish will make life difficult for them because of the Catalonia issue , membership isn't a given .
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 14, 2017 8:32:43 GMT
Is it the Scottish national party or the EU national party? Why would anyone want to take power from Westminster, let's not forget they've had power given back to them to certain degree, to just then go and hand it all over to Brussels. Doesn't make sense or sound nationalist at all. More europhile. Also, should the Orkney and Shetland Isles vote in favour of remaining apart of the UK rather than an independent Scotland, would that vote be respected as it pretty much runs on the same basis that the SNP are calling for a second referendum concerning the EU in out referendum? Personally hope they remain apart of the UK but if they vote to leave then they should be allowed to. (I'd want hadrians wall rebuilt mind) The scots will undoubtedly lose much of their autonomy. The euro will be imposed on them and with the U.K. Gone from The eu the dream of financial and political union will be a step closer . Not to mention the Spanish will make life difficult for them because of the Catalonia issue , membership isn't a given . Apparently Sturgeon will not even confirm they'll be going for full EU membership. So they're having a referendum on leaving their biggest single market because they're being forced to leave a much smaller one but won't commit to trying to rejoin the single market they're so angry about leaving, No wonder Jezza has been so quiet recently he's writing policy positions for the SNP
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 9:53:17 GMT
I think she's a bitch, personally.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 14, 2017 10:35:49 GMT
The scots will undoubtedly lose much of their autonomy. The euro will be imposed on them and with the U.K. Gone from The eu the dream of financial and political union will be a step closer . Not to mention the Spanish will make life difficult for them because of the Catalonia issue , membership isn't a given . Apparently Sturgeon will not even confirm they'll be going for full EU membership. So they're having a referendum on leaving their biggest single market because they're being forced to leave a much smaller one but won't commit to trying to rejoin the single market they're so angry about leaving, No wonder Jezza has been so quiet recently he's writing policy positions for the SNP I'll re-write this for you: So we've had a referendum on leaving our biggest single market because we've got a much smaller one lined up formally known as the British Empire but won't commit to signing up any treaties for years to come. No wonder Nigel Farage has been so quiet recently he's writing policy positions for the Conservatives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 12:00:00 GMT
If the English people were allowed a vote on weather we would like to kick Scotland out of the United Kingdom then I suspect they would have been gone centuries ago.
Just how far back to people want to go to "Claim" independence? can we have the Danelaw back, I for one want a vote. Do the Picts want independence?
Or is it just another attention seeking small time politician seeking fame and glory with personal gain taking precedence over the best for the Country.
Edward Longshanks would sort her sharpish.
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Post by lordb on Mar 14, 2017 12:33:07 GMT
If the English people were allowed a vote on weather we would like to kick Scotland out of the United Kingdom then I suspect they would have been gone centuries ago. Just how far back to people want to go to "Claim" independence? can we have the Danelaw back, I for one want a vote. Do the Picts want independence? Or is it just another attention seeking small time politician seeking fame and glory with personal gain taking precedence over the best for the Country. Edward Longshanks would sort her sharpish. was North Staffs in the Danelaw? I think it was? anyway I think the Scots have got this wrong, what we need to do is kick London & the Home Counties out & leave the rest as it is
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 14, 2017 12:46:00 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 14, 2017 12:51:36 GMT
If the English people were allowed a vote on weather we would like to kick Scotland out of the United Kingdom then I suspect they would have been gone centuries ago. Just how far back to people want to go to "Claim" independence? can we have the Danelaw back, I for one want a vote. Do the Picts want independence? Or is it just another attention seeking small time politician seeking fame and glory with personal gain taking precedence over the best for the Country. Edward Longshanks would sort her sharpish. was North Staffs in the Danelaw? I think it was? anyway I think the Scots have got this wrong, what we need to do is kick London & the Home Counties out & leave the rest as it is Very boarderline, but probably not. Derby was. I think Derby is a Viking word
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 14, 2017 13:08:58 GMT
Wasn't this all part off the appalling scaremongering tactics to make the Scots vote no? No and EU confirmed it again within minutes of proposal for indyref2. The EU won't be keen to replace a cash cow with a cash drain. Strange isn't it how Scotland being out of the E.U. will be a disaster but the U.K. being out of the E.U. will be marvellous?!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 14, 2017 13:11:57 GMT
was North Staffs in the Danelaw? I think it was? anyway I think the Scots have got this wrong, what we need to do is kick London & the Home Counties out & leave the rest as it is Very boarderline, but probably not. Derby was. I think Derby is a Viking word The old A5 was the border. Any towns or villages ending in by or thorpe are Danish in origin! Obviously, thor-pe relates to the Viking God of war, Thor!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 13:15:56 GMT
I would think that she would do better to use her position to push for electoral changes such as PR which would give the Scots a far better voice in the House of Commons. She may wish to read a few history books which would suggest that Britain only became Great after it was united in 1707 and that Scotland's role should be that of a partner in a cooperative rather than playing the role of enslaved servitude struggling to escape.
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Post by eddyclamp on Mar 14, 2017 13:25:37 GMT
I would think that she would do better to use her position to push for electoral changes such as PR which would give the Scots a far better voice in the House of Commons. She may wish to read a few history books which would suggest that Britain only became Great after it was united in 1707 and that Scotland's role should be that of a partner in a cooperative rather than playing the role of enslaved servitude struggling to escape. The SNP have far too many seats if you go by the number of people they represent . I bet the population of Scotland is dwarfed by the population of London , who also voted to stay in Europe. What we have here is an attention seeking bint who hates the English . The sooner her and Salmond are put in their place and sent packing the better.
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