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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 13, 2017 12:22:24 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 13, 2017 12:28:41 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. You're missing the point big time. This isn't about winning or losing Westminster seats in Scotland - it's about the future of Scotland. The response the SNP would most like from Westminster is a rejection of their request. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 13, 2017 12:31:36 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. You're missing the point big time. This isn't about winning or losing Westminster seats in Scotland - it's about the future of Scotland. The response the SNP would most like from Westminster is a rejection of their request. I agree - but May isn't going to be thinking about the future of Scotland when she decides. She'll be thinking about the future of herself and her party. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2017 13:09:53 GMT
The EU have already said Scotland has to apply to join the EU and won't automatically remain a member.
So surely Sturgeon has to ask for a referendum immediately or wait until after Brexit to say 2018 makes no sense.
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 13, 2017 13:15:50 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks
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Post by cerebralstokie on Mar 13, 2017 13:35:11 GMT
If the Scots voted out and wanted to join the E.U. they would have to join the Euro (assuming that they were able to join the E.U. in the first place). They would probably lose M.O.D. contracts at Rosyth and in the Nuclear Submarine base on the Clyde. With falling oil prices and reductions in output, revenues from this source would be below expectations. They would lose the favourable funding agreement they get from the Westminster Govt. under the Barnet formula. Would there be a manned customs post on the Border? Most Scots are canny enough to realise that it would not be a good deal to leave the U.K. and would vote accordingly in any referendum.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 13, 2017 13:55:28 GMT
Jeez I know the Jocks have a few health issues but that's a short generation since the last vote wee Jimmy had.
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Post by Waggy on Mar 13, 2017 14:04:45 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. You're missing the point big time. This isn't about winning or losing Westminster seats in Scotland - it's about the future of Scotland. The response the SNP would most like from Westminster is a rejection of their request. Why? Because they know they wont win and the SNP can keep blaming westminster on allowing the new referendem vote so can keep the nationalists pumped up |
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Post by Waggy on Mar 13, 2017 14:05:40 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. I'd say yes you can have but the cost will come out of scottish funds. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:29:46 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. I don't blame them to be honest as the political landscape will be very different than since the referendum of 2014. Whether the people of Scotland can be arsed with a 3rd referendum in 4 years is another story, but ultimately they voted heavily to stay in Europe so it's a debate that needs to be had..... |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 13, 2017 16:06:49 GMT
See you later you Euro surrender monkeys.
That's another 15 billion a year we'll save.
Independent country controlled from Brussels. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by capto on Mar 13, 2017 16:08:34 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks Link? Match of the Day: fighting the corner of the under dog and the small clubs since 1964 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:19:34 GMT
See you later you Euro surrender monkeys. That's another 15 billion a year we'll save. Independent country controlled from Brussels. You couldn't make it up. You just have in your previous two sentences..... |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2017 16:21:55 GMT
I hope they piss off this time.
All talk and no walk judging by the last referendum. They should put their money where their mouth is because when push came to shove they bottled it before.
And countries like Spain are hardly going to encourage an independent Scotland into the EU what with the current situation with Catalonia.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 13, 2017 16:31:16 GMT
See you later you Euro surrender monkeys. That's another 15 billion a year we'll save. Independent country controlled from Brussels. You couldn't make it up. You just have in your previous two sentences..... Really? Which bit? Scotland won't have to adopt the EURO? Westminster doesn't subsidise Holyrood? Scotland's highest court with be in Europe? |
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Post by Malex on Mar 13, 2017 16:39:27 GMT
I hope they piss off this time. All talk and no walk judging by the last referendum. They should put their money where their mouth is because when push came to shove they bottled it before. And countries like Spain are hardly going to encourage an independent Scotland into the EU what with the current situation with Catalonia. This exactly. Would be such a pisser if they went for independence, gained it then were blocked entry into the EU |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 13, 2017 17:46:59 GMT
The SNP will seek permission from the Scottish Parliament to ask Westminster for another referendum. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181Assuming it gets through Holyrood (which I guess the SNP are fairly confident it will do) then it will leave Theresa May with a big question. My money would be on her refusing the request - with one Tory MP in Scotland she has got very little to lose, and can likely win the next election without getting a single vote in Scotland. I don't blame them to be honest as the political landscape will be very different than since the referendum of 2014. Whether the people of Scotland can be arsed with a 3rd referendum in 4 years is another story, but ultimately they voted heavily to stay in Europe so it's a debate that needs to be had..... The economics that DIDN'T persuade the Scottish voters was based on $100 a barrel of oil. It's now about $40. |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 13, 2017 17:55:47 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks Don't forget free tuition fees subsided by the English taxpayer |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 13, 2017 17:58:44 GMT
You're missing the point big time. This isn't about winning or losing Westminster seats in Scotland - it's about the future of Scotland. The response the SNP would most like from Westminster is a rejection of their request. Why? Because they know they wont win and the SNP can keep blaming westminster on allowing the new referendem vote so can keep the nationalists pumped up Pretty much. It's generally accepted, even by the Nationalists, that the last referendum was lost over the economy with no clear plan for currency being the most obvious problem but there were other issues. As of today none of these issues have been addressed and the economic argument has deteriorated further with the collapse in North Sea oil revenues. Meaning the Nationalists will seek to move the fight away from the economy. The territory they will look to fight on is grievance. With Westminster as the big bad wolf portraying Theresa May as Thatcher reincarnated. So Wesminster needs to ensure it doesn't feed that strategy even if it looks like losing some battles. A Westminster rejection of indyref2 will be seized on as typical bullying behaviour from perfidious Albion. To win the war, that is one battle, IMO, they should concede. |
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 13, 2017 18:33:08 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks Don't forget free tuition fees subsided by the English taxpayer And prescriptions |
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Post by Gods on Mar 13, 2017 18:37:34 GMT
Another inevitable consequence of the disasterous brexit vote. The Conservative and Unionist party presiding over the break up of Great Britain can you even begin to imagine it. If the government had a headache before this decision they have a migraine now  |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 13, 2017 18:43:12 GMT
Another inevitable consequence of the disasterous brexit vote. The Conservative and Unionist party presiding over the break up of Great Britain can you even begin to imagine it. If the government had a headache before this decision they have a migraine now This issue pre dates Brexit gods , it's opportunistic by the SNP and very risky . Not a lot to be gained by the Scots in independence, it's and emotional reaction at the moment . The economic reality will sink in at some point |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 13, 2017 19:16:42 GMT
I'm hoping for a great Euro deal to be negotiated and then when the Jocks realise this and then come crawling we just say no, fuck off and re build the wall and get them to pay for it. Just fed up with their continual whining.
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Post by felonious on Mar 13, 2017 19:17:09 GMT
The EU have already said Scotland has to apply to join the EU and won't automatically remain a member.
So surely Sturgeon has to ask for a referendum immediately or wait until after Brexit to say 2018 makes no sense. Wasn't this all part off the appalling scaremongering tactics to make the Scots vote no? |
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Post by felonious on Mar 13, 2017 19:21:55 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks Don't forget free tuition fees subsided by the English taxpayer They're not free Harry. They charge the English and Welsh full whack. It's free to the Scots and other EU countries. They deserve the EU. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 13, 2017 19:25:58 GMT
You're missing the point big time. This isn't about winning or losing Westminster seats in Scotland - it's about the future of Scotland. The response the SNP would most like from Westminster is a rejection of their request. I agree - but May isn't going to be thinking about the future of Scotland when she decides. She'll be thinking about the future of herself and her party. If May was thinking about her own party surely she's give them a referendum and then campaign for it. Scotland offers nothing to the Conservative party. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 13, 2017 19:30:35 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks That's a bit harsh. Don't forget they gave us The Krankies  |
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 13, 2017 19:37:21 GMT
Fuck it one out all out or they can piss off with us supporting an economy of heroin,special brew,irn bru and deep fried mars bars and start subsidizing the nhs and pensions with the money we stop giving the jocks That's a bit harsh. Don't forget they gave us The Krankies Which they then fucked up by giving us the proclaimers |
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Post by felonious on Mar 13, 2017 19:50:08 GMT
That's a bit harsh. Don't forget they gave us The Krankies Which they then fucked up by giving us the proclaimers They've got decades of credit in the bank after giving us the Sensational Alex Harvey Band. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2017 19:58:48 GMT
The EU have already said Scotland has to apply to join the EU and won't automatically remain a member.
So surely Sturgeon has to ask for a referendum immediately or wait until after Brexit to say 2018 makes no sense. Wasn't this all part off the appalling scaremongering tactics to make the Scots vote no? No and EU confirmed it again within minutes of proposal for indyref2. The EU won't be keen to replace a cash cow with a cash drain. |
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