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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 1:42:20 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Feb 6, 2017 1:42:20 GMT
Youth players need to be coached by players they look up to more than anyone else, if Whelan genuinely said that he should be punished imo, if he's making mistakes then treat him like you'd treat any player making mistakes Whelan himself has had some right mares in a Stoke shirt, i doubt he got the same treatment Roy Keane was much harsher with the young Man United players. Ferguson never said he should be punished... You are not comparing Whelan to Keane are you? One was brilliant the other okay.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 3:07:47 GMT
Post by kustokie on Feb 6, 2017 3:07:47 GMT
Nice to see him getting a run out today. Thought he worried them when he was on the ball as he looked quick. A few bad decisions but I think he's got a lot of potential. He made all bad decisions and today shows that he is no good in choosing the time or to find the space for make a cross in the area. Btw he is a second striker and not a winger, even if FM shows that he can play there As long as Sparky remains in love with 4-2-3-1 the opportunities for strikers will be limited, especially since we have more than we need anyway. So where do these excess strikers end up playing? On the right wing because Arni can't play there, apparently. This is double jeopardy because it limits the opportunities for our other left winger and results in strikers having to play out of position. The latest permutation of this approach is Affelay (because he has run out of strikers to try, except Crouch). Affelay is a good player but he centers the ball about as well as a cross-eyed camel with his legs tied together. We had a list going for a while to count up how many players Sparky has tried on the right wing. I think it was at least 12. Maybe he will try Wollscheidt next; however, I suspect the next striker to be exiled to the right wing will be Berahino (in fact Sparky said as much when he signed him). Rant over!
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Post by larstoke on Feb 6, 2017 4:53:12 GMT
I hope the lad never reads this dumb ass thread.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:12:02 GMT
Post by pez75 on Feb 6, 2017 13:12:02 GMT
I think he looks a good prospect tbh - and I have not been able to say that in a long time about a Stoke youngster.
His main problem so far has been his decision making - twice on sat he was put in good positions but decided to take a touch when a first time cross was the right move - but that will come with game time.
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Post by parsons75 on Feb 6, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
I hope the lad never reads this dumb ass thread. True, if he's not mentally tough enough to take a rollocking from his vice captain there's no point reading criticism from fans.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:28:12 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 6, 2017 13:28:12 GMT
Should he have scored when he scuffed his shot? Hard to tell from our position. If so, he fluffed his big moment. When he's plying his trade at Newcastle town in a few years, he'll look back on that moment and think "if only". Unbelievable
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:32:50 GMT
Post by toad on Feb 6, 2017 13:32:50 GMT
We looked a lot more dangerous with N'goy on the right than we did with Affelay on the pitch. I think N'goy is very raw and probably not quite ready but he gave us more of an threat than we had before he came on. People should be asking questions of Affelay, not N'goy.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:33:31 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 6, 2017 13:33:31 GMT
Should he have scored when he scuffed his shot? Hard to tell from our position. If so, he fluffed his big moment. When he's plying his trade at Newcastle town in a few years, he'll look back on that moment and think "if only". Unbelievable Why is it unbelievable? It was a huge opportunity for the lad and he fluffed his lines badly, or at least he seemed to from my position in the away end. If he does end up dropping down the leagues, he will very likely look back at that moment and think "what if". I wasn't being overly critical of him in all honesty because I thought he did pretty well and look more than promising, especially when you think he isn't a wide player naturally. He was brave on the ball and looked to get at the full back. I like that in a player.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:35:14 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2017 13:35:14 GMT
We looked a lot more dangerous with N'goy on the right than we did with Affelay on the pitch. I think N'goy is very raw and probably not quite ready but he gave us more of an threat than we had before he came on. People should be asking questions of Affelay, not N'goy. But Afellay is the second coming of Christ. The problem is that neither of them are wingers though.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:36:02 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 6, 2017 13:36:02 GMT
Did Whelan say "that was crap" or "he is crap".
If he said "that was crap" then he'd be absolutely correct if the incident in question is the one where he scuffed his shot.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:41:52 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 6, 2017 13:41:52 GMT
Did Whelan say "that was crap" or "he is crap". If he said "that was crap" then he'd be absolutely correct if the incident in question is the one where he scuffed his shot. At the time I thought it was a 'that was crap', N'Goy's reaction was a kind of non-plussed shrug, he didn't look mortally wounded by Whelan's criticism or owt. It was crap. Called out in the cut and thrust of competitive sport. Hardly a feather ruffled imo.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:44:50 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 6, 2017 13:44:50 GMT
Did Whelan say "that was crap" or "he is crap". If he said "that was crap" then he'd be absolutely correct if the incident in question is the one where he scuffed his shot. Neither comment is particularly encouraging whatever spin you put on it.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:47:46 GMT
Post by pez75 on Feb 6, 2017 13:47:46 GMT
Did Whelan say "that was crap" or "he is crap". If he said "that was crap" then he'd be absolutely correct if the incident in question is the one where he scuffed his shot. Neither comment is particularly encouraging whatever spin you put on it. Especially coming from one of the lesser talented plodders in our side.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 13:57:35 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 6, 2017 13:57:35 GMT
Did Whelan say "that was crap" or "he is crap". If he said "that was crap" then he'd be absolutely correct if the incident in question is the one where he scuffed his shot. Neither comment is particularly encouraging whatever spin you put on it. I disagree. The former statement isn't a problem at all. Mates, teammates say such things in the heat of the battle. Hopefully N'goy is a big enough character to repay the compliment when Whelan himself does something equally shit, which he's bound to do and probably did do after the incident on Saturday. If N'goy did that, he'd probably earn himself some instant respect in the progress. If however, Whelan said "he's shit/crap" then that is a different matter entirely.
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Ngoy
Feb 6, 2017 16:36:00 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Feb 6, 2017 16:36:00 GMT
Neither comment is particularly encouraging whatever spin you put on it. I disagree. The former statement isn't a problem at all. Mates, teammates say such things in the heat of the battle. Hopefully N'goy is a big enough character to repay the compliment when Whelan himself does something equally shit, which he's bound to do and probably did do after the incident on Saturday. If N'goy did that, he'd probably earn himself some instant respect in the progress. If however, Whelan said "he's shit/crap" then that is a different matter entirely. Maybe Whelen said "I need a crap"?or .... "Who's for flapjacks" or..... "He's crap" (talking about the WBA goalkeeper) or.... "I'm too sexy for my shirt" or ..... about 3 zillion other things. But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good old Oatcake nickertwist fest. Most of us earn less in a month than N'Goy earns per week and have survived much worse comments from our supervisors (vice-captain) or work mates. Send him out to the Championship for a few months. He will either come back having made the grade and accumulated a ton of game time, or we will have learned that he is not going to cut it without any risk to us. Can't see what people think is so bad about that suggestion.
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 8:44:43 GMT
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 7, 2017 8:44:43 GMT
Why is it unbelievable? It was a huge opportunity for the lad and he fluffed his lines badly, or at least he seemed to from my position in the away end. If he does end up dropping down the leagues, he will very likely look back at that moment and think "what if". I wasn't being overly critical of him in all honesty because I thought he did pretty well and look more than promising, especially when you think he isn't a wide player naturally. He was brave on the ball and looked to get at the full back. I like that in a player. Was hardly a tap in was it?
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 8:50:16 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2017 8:50:16 GMT
Why is it unbelievable? It was a huge opportunity for the lad and he fluffed his lines badly, or at least he seemed to from my position in the away end. If he does end up dropping down the leagues, he will very likely look back at that moment and think "what if". I wasn't being overly critical of him in all honesty because I thought he did pretty well and look more than promising, especially when you think he isn't a wide player naturally. He was brave on the ball and looked to get at the full back. I like that in a player. Was hardly a tap in was it? I've no idea. I only saw it from my vantage point in the away end. He looked clean through, albeit at an angle, around 12 yards out. Smash it across the keeper into the far corner. He seemed to scuff it and the shot barely even reached the keeper. I was asking a question in my original post because I've not seen it again. Should he have scored? Should he have done better than he did? It was a big moment for a 19 year old kid. Had he scored, he'd have got more game time, would likely have started next week if Shaq is still injured and may even have got a run in his preferred centre forward position. Careers are made on such fine margins. Let's hope it isn't a moment he looks back on and thinks "what if". The miss aside, I thought his performance was an encouraging one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 9:06:15 GMT
Ngoy - Light years off the first eleven I'm afraid
and almost as silly him getting on as, Playing Afellay in a wide position
also costing us
we're winning one game a month ( on average)
players when given a chance have to perform
(ask Bojan)
not good enough ----yet
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Post by sonichuth on Feb 7, 2017 9:13:50 GMT
Ngoy should have no expectations at all. He may be good, he may not be, but I for one am delighted that we're giving a young player minutes. It's not like we were pulling up any trees otherwise, is it?
Very very few players hit the ground running immediately, especially when you go from U23 football to The Premier League. Give him minutes, see how he does. Given how dull we've been recently, he at least offers something fresh to get the crowd excited.
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 9:18:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 9:18:32 GMT
Perhaps give him minutes when we are safe from relegation
we - arent
and Sobhi returns and goes straight into the starting eleven
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 9:23:27 GMT
Post by sonichuth on Feb 7, 2017 9:23:27 GMT
Perhaps give him minutes when we are safe from relegation we - arent and Sobhi returns and goes straight into the starting eleven I don't think playing Ngoy for 20 minutes or so here and there will jeopardise our mid-table status. Play him while there's opportunities.
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 9:25:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 9:25:49 GMT
Sobhi goes on the pitch before he does
proven at the top class - part of a squad that went to the AFCON final
move Arnie to the right to make room
absolute 'no brainer'
why wouldnt you ? - is the more sensible question
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 9:27:20 GMT
Post by sonichuth on Feb 7, 2017 9:27:20 GMT
Sobhi goes on the pitch before he does proven at the top class - part of a squad that went to the AFCON final move Arnie to the right to make room absolute 'no brainer' why wouldnt you ? - is the more sensible question Arnie is our best player, and he is best on the left. I would give Sobhi much more minutes than he has had, though.
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Post by robingrey21 on Feb 7, 2017 9:41:41 GMT
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 12:50:08 GMT
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Post by moz on Feb 7, 2017 12:50:08 GMT
Sobhi goes on the pitch before he does proven at the top class - part of a squad that went to the AFCON final move Arnie to the right to make room absolute 'no brainer' why wouldnt you ? - is the more sensible question Why not give Sobhi a run on the right flank, he is still young and he played in that position a little bit with his old team Alahly as shown in his clips
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 13:44:21 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Feb 7, 2017 13:44:21 GMT
Perhaps give him minutes when we are safe from relegation we - arent and Sobhi returns and goes straight into the starting eleven I don't think playing Ngoy for 20 minutes or so here and there will jeopardise our mid-table status. Play him while there's opportunities. However, playing him here and there for a few minutes is hardly going to give him the experience he needs. What is wrong with sending him on loan to a championship team? He gets experience at a much higher level than U21 and comes back much closer to making an impact when he gets time.
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 13:48:16 GMT
Post by sonichuth on Feb 7, 2017 13:48:16 GMT
I don't think playing Ngoy for 20 minutes or so here and there will jeopardise our mid-table status. Play him while there's opportunities. However, playing him here and there for a few minutes is hardly going to give him the experience he needs. What is wrong with sending him on loan to a championship team? He gets experience at a much higher level than U21 and comes back much closer to making an impact when he gets time. I agree, and would definitely look into it next season
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 15:09:55 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 7, 2017 15:09:55 GMT
I don't think playing Ngoy for 20 minutes or so here and there will jeopardise our mid-table status. Play him while there's opportunities. However, playing him here and there for a few minutes is hardly going to give him the experience he needs. What is wrong with sending him on loan to a championship team? He gets experience at a much higher level than U21 and comes back much closer to making an impact when he gets time. We really should have loaned him out in January. He's just going to get pushed further and further down the pecking order when the injured players are back, and will have a frustrating time of things in the next few months. But now that he's stuck here for the rest of the season, any sort of game time he gets with the first team will be invaluable for him.
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 15:14:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:14:14 GMT
We looked a lot more dangerous with N'goy on the right than we did with Affelay on the pitch. I think N'goy is very raw and probably not quite ready but he gave us more of an threat than we had before he came on. People should be asking questions of Affelay, not N'goy. But Afellay is the second coming of Christ. Heresy! Burn the witch. That's Joe Allen you're talking about.
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Ngoy
Feb 7, 2017 16:20:53 GMT
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Post by parsons75 on Feb 7, 2017 16:20:53 GMT
Roy Keane was much harsher with the young Man United players. Ferguson never said he should be punished... You are not comparing Whelan to Keane are you? One was brilliant the other okay. Both have spent the majority of their careers in the Premier League and have represented there county in major tournaments. Are you saying youth players should ignore senior professionals unless they have Champions League medals on their CV?
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