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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 18:28:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 18:28:31 GMT
He was absolutely shit
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 4, 2017 18:28:36 GMT
People can slag him off today for making poor decisions but at least the lad showed some ambition and drive to run at the opposition defenders rather than the woeful Affelay who simply passes the ball straight back to the centre halves every time he gets it.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 18:30:07 GMT
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Post by Dancingtesttube on Feb 4, 2017 18:30:07 GMT
Nice to see him getting a run out today. Thought he worried them when he was on the ball as he looked quick. A few bad decisions but I think he's got a lot of potential. Best player on the pitch for us.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 4, 2017 18:31:01 GMT
I thought his confidence went very quickly today. The lad can run with the ball at pace but wrong decisions and poor crossing saw his head drop. It'll be interesting to see how Hughes manages this lad. Certainly seems like a player who needs an arm around him. I'm sure I saw Wheelan shouting ' he's fucking crap' to someone. Maybe he was on about Berahino though... i know Whelan is one of the few players to be blunt with other team mates, but surely he wouldn't do that on the pitch in front of everyone, especially to a young player? The only outcomes would be his head dropping and the opposition knowing to target him, and then the team performance would suffer he had to be on about someone from WBA, no? Whelan wasn't exactly 'fucking brilliant' for their goal either If that's the case Whelan needs to be dropped. Can't have one of our senior players slagging off one of the youngsters. Pathetic from Whelan if true. Maybe he should focus more on his own shite performances this season before drilling into a kid who just made his premier league debut a couple of months ago.
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Post by Dancingtesttube on Feb 4, 2017 18:31:06 GMT
Best player on the pitch for us. I hope this is a pisstake
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Post by ianbuckley on Feb 4, 2017 18:35:57 GMT
The only way for these young players to make their way in football is to shine when they are given their chance beit five mins or twenty mins. They have to influence the game. I haven't seen this with this lad. Every decision he made today was the wrong one. Don't give me the excuse that he is playing in the wrong position. He has to perform where the manager wants him to. Does not warrant replacing any of the current first team regulars. If he continues like this he will soon disappear out of contention. The truth is we don't have anyone pulling up trees at any of the lower levels to justify been included in the first team. Just look at the performances of the U23 and junior teams and you will see for yourselves.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 4, 2017 18:38:34 GMT
The only way for these young players to make their way in football is to shine when they are given their chance beit five mins or twenty mins. They have to influence the game. I haven't seen this with this lad. Every decision he made today was the wrong one. Don't give me the excuse that he is playing in the wrong position. He has to perform where the manager wants him to. Does not warrant replacing any of the current first team regulars. If he continues like this he will soon disappear out of contention. The truth is we don't have anyone pulling up trees at any of the lower levels to justify been included in the first team. Just look at the performances of the U23 and jjunior teams and you will see for yourselves. So you would've rather sticked with the clueless Affelay ? Hughes gets massive credit from me for slowly trying to integrate N'goy into the team. He will become a good player, he just needs to improve his decision making a little bit and that only comes from game time.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 4, 2017 18:42:31 GMT
The only way for these young players to make their way in football is to shine when they are given their chance beit five mins or twenty mins. They have to influence the game. I haven't seen this with this lad. Every decision he made today was the wrong one. Don't give me the excuse that he is playing in the wrong position. He has to perform where the manager wants him to. Does not warrant replacing any of the current first team regulars. If he continues like this he will soon disappear out of contention. The truth is we don't have anyone pulling up trees at any of the lower levels to justify been included in the first team. Just look at the performances of the U23 and jjunior teams and you will see for yourselves. So you would've rather sticked with the clueless Affelay ? Hughes gets massive credit from me for slowly trying to integrate N'goy into the team. He will become a good player, he just needs to improve his decision making a little bit and that only comes from game time. Was that the same clueless Affelay that created by far our best opportunity of the game?
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Post by scfc5 on Feb 4, 2017 18:45:13 GMT
People can slag him off today for making poor decisions but at least the lad showed some ambition and drive to run at the opposition defenders rather than the woeful Affelay who simply passes the ball straight back to the centre halves every time he gets it. Really dislike Afellay wide - too slow and can't beat a man, always passes inside to Whelan, Adam or Allen. Don't like him as a No10 either - again, no penetration. His only position for me is one of the deeper two, maybe instead of Adam in some games, as he keeps the ball moving quickly and can get out of tight positions. Shows how down to the bare bones we are on the right without Shaqiri and Walters. Even Diouf would have been better out there today.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 4, 2017 18:45:39 GMT
Let's cut the lad some slack.
If he's got any chance of making it, he needs our support. And that of his team mates.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 4, 2017 18:49:13 GMT
People can slag him off today for making poor decisions but at least the lad showed some ambition and drive to run at the opposition defenders rather than the woeful Affelay who simply passes the ball straight back to the centre halves every time he gets it. Really dislike Afellay wide - too slow and can't beat a man, always passes inside to Whelan, Adam or Allen. Don't like him as a No10 either - again, no penetration. His only position for me is one of the deeper two, maybe instead of Adam in some games, as he keeps the ball moving quickly and can get out of tight positions. Shows how down to the bare bones we are on the right without Shaqiri and Walters. Even Diouf would have been better out there today. I agree with you entirely but tbh I don't mind Affelay in the no.10 role. I don't think he'll be as good as Allen or Shaq but I think he does offer a little bit of composure & had some good performances their last season. But he's been a winger at every club he's played for, so it seems quite ironic that he's completely incapable of playing in that position these days.
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Post by ianbuckley on Feb 4, 2017 18:51:03 GMT
The only way for these young players to make their way in football is to shine when they are given their chance beit five mins or twenty mins. They have to influence the game. I haven't seen this with this lad. Every decision he made today was the wrong one. Don't give me the excuse that he is playing in the wrong position. He has to perform where the manager wants him to. Does not warrant replacing any of the current first team regulars. If he continues like this he will soon disappear out of contention. The truth is we don't have anyone pulling up trees at any of the lower levels to justify been included in the first team. Just look at the performances of the U23 and jjunior teams and you will see for yourselves. So you would've rather sticked with the clueless Affelay ? Hughes gets massive credit from me for slowly trying to integrate N'goy into the team. He will become a good player, he just needs to improve his decision making a little bit and that only comes from game time. No I wouldn't include Affelay either. He slows the game down and plays sideways like a crab. He reminds me of Karl Henry. Replace him with Shaq or Berahino, when fit.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 18:52:29 GMT
Post by wuzza on Feb 4, 2017 18:52:29 GMT
The only way for these young players to make their way in football is to shine when they are given their chance beit five mins or twenty mins. They have to influence the game. I haven't seen this with this lad. Every decision he made today was the wrong one. Don't give me the excuse that he is playing in the wrong position. He has to perform where the manager wants him to. Does not warrant replacing any of the current first team regulars. If he continues like this he will soon disappear out of contention. The truth is we don't have anyone pulling up trees at any of the lower levels to justify been included in the first team. Just look at the performances of the U23 and jjunior teams and you will see for yourselves. So you would've rather sticked with the clueless Affelay ? Hughes gets massive credit from me for slowly trying to integrate N'goy into the team. He will become a good player, he just needs to improve his decision making a little bit and that only comes from game time. The principle of getting young players into the fold is great but it can't be tokenism. I don't think he was the right sub at the right time today. (agree that a lot of players were worthy of being hooked off the park though)
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:08:10 GMT
Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 4, 2017 19:08:10 GMT
Harsh Basford.....their was worse on the pitch today for sure.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:13:02 GMT
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Post by Dancingtesttube on Feb 4, 2017 19:13:02 GMT
So you would've rather sticked with the clueless Affelay ? Hughes gets massive credit from me for slowly trying to integrate N'goy into the team. He will become a good player, he just needs to improve his decision making a little bit and that only comes from game time. No I wouldn't include Affelay either. He slows the game down and plays sideways like a crab. He reminds me of Karl Henry. Replace him with Shaq or Berahino, when fit. Reminds me of Karl Henry.Oh my god😂
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Post by charlesjefferson on Feb 4, 2017 19:13:27 GMT
I realise what i'm about to type is just a variation of what we already know but here goes anyway...
Ngoy is only in the matchday squad because our first team squad is so unbalanced it's scary. I wouldn't say it's based on Ngoy being so very impressive for the U23's that Hughes has thought "This lad, i want him in the first team now, drop some first team players and get the lad in!"
Our squad houses 3 wide players: Shaqiri, Arnautovic and Ramadan. That's all and it's down to managerial negligence i'm afraid, there's no other conclusion. Even a 7 year old on a football video game would realise they needed work doing to get their squad strengthened in those areas.
So Hughes has (in my opinion) under-used Ramadan so far and he's currently unavailable, Shaqiri get's injured very easily which leads us to currently and often having only 1 recognised wide player available in Arnautovic.
Afellay was stuck out on the right on Wednesday and also today which is ludicrous because here's a player who started his career at this club played out wide and everyone could see he was no longer a wide player, a very talented player no doubt, but stuck out there the game passed him by and we looked unbalanced. He then started playing his best football for us from a central midfield position and he was brilliant right up until his injury.
On Wednesday he played like a player who just did not want to be in that wide position, he was tidy enough with the ball but totally unthreatening and he drifted inside and stayed there as if to say "I'm staying here because i hate playing out wide, no, no, no, no, i'm staying here for the duration, you'll not find me getting white on me boots" Whelan ended up on the right on Wednesday, bloody Nora!
So don't play him there Mark!! BUT.. he sort of has to because we have no other wide player on the books because of our terrible recruitment. Hoisted by your own....hoist here Hughesy!
So today we have Ngoy (who is a central striker) as the only wide option from the bench. Unless of course he plays Diouf out there who as we all know is a specialist wing back now. Round pegs in square holes was something that irked the fudge out of me under the previous manager and Hughes just about takes the cake with it too i'm afraid.
Buy the players who'll fit your system and play them where they should be played else you're left trying to make a dressing table from a broken action man and a few bits of fuse wire.
I didn't get where I am today without realising you can't put woody where woody won't go!
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:17:43 GMT
Post by ianbuckley on Feb 4, 2017 19:17:43 GMT
The first team is not the place to tryout young players, they have to be putting in good performances week after week with the U23s first. The problem at this club is if they make the first team squad for one match they rarely appear in the U23s again, Just like at the International level.. Why. I have yet to see anyone in the U23s warrant a Premire League place.
The biggest problem we have, is that no one is showing that they can play well for two games on the trot, barring the goalkeeper. Ignoring the back four, for obvious reasons, the rest of the outfield look like they are being picked out of a hat.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:18:13 GMT
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Post by dieguito88 on Feb 4, 2017 19:18:13 GMT
He said "he's f'ing crap" at Hughes after N'goy failed to control a shit pass from him. He then waved his hands up and stared at Hughes again mid-play after N'goy lost the ball again. At first I was outraged, but after today's showing... his judgement was probably justified. N'goy was quick, but that was it. Completely static off the ball, didn't move the ball anywhere near enough when on it, and made the same flat run inside every time. He started brightly but his head dropped almost immediately (commentator's mentioned that too) and, ultimately, did very little right with quite a bit of space at times. Shame, because he's clearly quick and has better technical ability than say Diouf or Moha. You could say the same about Saido and Diouf to be fair. The funny thing is that we take off crouch and we insisted with the long high ball to the target man that there wasn't in the pitch. Strange because Bony was ideally for the last 30 minutes with diouf and saido with him.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:18:18 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 4, 2017 19:18:18 GMT
Not really a winger, might have more of an impact played in his proper position.
Maybe being a bit harsh but it was a good chance at the end and he should have done a bit better for me, it wasn't a difficult save.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:20:56 GMT
Post by djduncanjames on Feb 4, 2017 19:20:56 GMT
I realise what i'm about to type is just a variation of what we already know but here goes anyway... Ngoy is only in the matchday squad because our first team squad is so unbalanced it's scary. I wouldn't say it's based on Ngoy being so very impressive for the U23's that Hughes has thought "This lad, i want him in the first team now, drop some first team players and get the lad in!" Our squad houses 3 wide players: Shaqiri, Arnautovic and Ramadan. That's all and it's down to managerial negligence i'm afraid, there's no other conclusion. Even a 7 year old on a football video game would realise they needed work doing to get their squad strengthened in those areas. So Hughes has (in my opinion) under-used Ramadan so far and he's currently unavailable, Shaqiri get's injured very easily which leads us to currently and often having only 1 recognised wide player available in Arnautovic. Afellay was stuck out on the right on Wednesday and also today which is ludicrous because here's a player who started his career at this club played out wide and everyone could see he was no longer a wide player, a very talented player no doubt, but stuck out there the game passed him by and we looked unbalanced. He then started playing his best football for us from a central midfield position and he was brilliant right up until his injury. On Wednesday he played like a player who just did not want to be in that wide position, he was tidy enough with the ball but totally unthreatening and he drifted inside and stayed there as if to say "I'm staying here because i hate playing out wide, no, no, no, no, i'm staying here for the duration, you'll not find me getting white on me boots" Whelan ended up on the right on Wednesday, bloody Nora! So don't play him there Mark!! BUT.. he sort of has to because we have no other wide player on the books because of our terrible recruitment. Hoisted by your own....hoist here Hughesy! So today we have Ngoy (who is a central striker) as the only wide option from the bench. Unless of course he plays Diouf out there who as we all know is a specialist wing back now. Round pegs in square holes was something that irked the fudge out of me under the previous manager and Hughes just about takes the cake with it too i'm afraid. Buy the players who'll fit your system and play them where they should be played else you're left trying to make a dressing table from a broken action man and a few bits of fuse wire. I didn't get where I am today without realising you can't put woody where woody won't go! Brilliant Post CJ
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:25:23 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Feb 4, 2017 19:25:23 GMT
Think he did alright, would rather have him on over Afellay in that position At least he looked to run and beat his man, the rest he can learn Does not help running into Blind Alleys if he does'nt know how to pass! Sorry, but I think he is a long long long way off Premier standard.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 4, 2017 19:28:05 GMT
Let's cut the lad some slack. If he's got any chance of making it, he needs our support. And that of his team mates. When he's good enough, I'll welcome him into the team with delight, but he is way below par. Send him out for a season in the Championship.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 4, 2017 19:29:05 GMT
He's a genuine goal scoring striker with power and pace, how anyone can judge him following a few brief cameos being shoved out on the wing is beyond me.
Unfortunately he's paying the price for the managers ineptitude in the transfer market.
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Feb 4, 2017 19:31:56 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 4, 2017 19:31:56 GMT
Let's cut the lad some slack. If he's got any chance of making it, he needs our support. And that of his team mates. When he's good enough, I'll welcome him into the team with delight, but he is way below par. Send him out for a season in the Championship. Before he came on, all our senior players were doing a brilliant job...
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:39:44 GMT
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Post by dieguito88 on Feb 4, 2017 19:39:44 GMT
He's a genuine goal scoring striker with power and pace, how anyone can judge him following a few brief cameos being shoved out on the wing is beyond me. Unfortunately he's paying the price for the managers ineptitude in the transfer market. In fact the only thing u can see is that he isn't a winger.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 4, 2017 19:44:30 GMT
When he's good enough, I'll welcome him into the team with delight, but he is way below par. Send him out for a season in the Championship. Before he came on, all our senior players were doing a brilliant job... No absolutely they were pathetic. But he was even more pathetic. running at someone untill you lose the ball is not the answer. At least Affelay got a few crosses in. How many did N'goy get in? Just because our senior players played pathetic, does not mean N'goy is good enough for the PRem. Send him out for a season to a midtable Championship side. If he's good enough, he will excel and be in a good place, if not, nothing to see here, move on. Chelsea sent Moses out on loan, and now he's doing a job for them. Why not do the same with N'goy?
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:46:36 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Feb 4, 2017 19:46:36 GMT
He's a genuine goal scoring striker with power and pace, how anyone can judge him following a few brief cameos being shoved out on the wing is beyond me. Unfortunately he's paying the price for the managers ineptitude in the transfer market. C'mon, blame the manager for the player's inability? He could have put Diouff out there, but from what he's seen, clearly felt that Diouff offered more threat in the middle.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:47:15 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 4, 2017 19:47:15 GMT
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:48:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:48:53 GMT
Harsh Basford.....their was worse on the pitch today for sure. No doubt about it, Joe Allen and Afellay to name but 2. Doesn't take away from the fact that he was absolute dross. He thinks he's too big for the u23s as well. I'd have liked to see him go out on loan as he's clearly not ready for the first team.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:52:17 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 4, 2017 19:52:17 GMT
Let's cut the lad some slack. If he's got any chance of making it, he needs our support. And that of his team mates. When he's good enough, I'll welcome him into the team with delight, but he is way below par. Send him out for a season in the Championship. He is a young Striker being hung out to dry as a winger (when used) to cover up for 3 windows of neglegence in the transfer market. He is a striker not a winger, there are more square pegs trying to fit into round holes in the squad / team than there ever has been, after the money we have spent that is nothing short of criminal!
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