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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:52:57 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 4, 2017 19:52:57 GMT
Ngoy miscontrolled a pass from Whelan. Whelan turned around and said 'he's fucking crap'. Also, there were times where Whelan threw his hands up in the air when Ngoy lost the ball.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 4, 2017 19:53:36 GMT
He's a genuine goal scoring striker with power and pace, how anyone can judge him following a few brief cameos being shoved out on the wing is beyond me. Unfortunately he's paying the price for the managers ineptitude in the transfer market. C'mon, blame the manager for the player's inability? He could have put Diouff out there, but from what he's seen, clearly felt that Diouff offered more threat in the middle. Of course, he's a bloody striker. Defoe, Kane, Costa etc would all look shit playing on the wing. Joe Allen is another decent player being made to look shit by the manager playing him out of position.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:54:52 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 4, 2017 19:54:52 GMT
Ngoy miscontrolled a pass from Whelan. Whelan turned around and said 'he's fucking crap'. Also, there were times where Whelan threw his hands up in the air when Ngoy lost the ball. Was that caught by the cameras? Awful if true! Whelan has never mis controlled a pass or lost the ball has he
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:55:15 GMT
Post by britvic72 on Feb 4, 2017 19:55:15 GMT
Nice to see him getting a run out today. Thought he worried them when he was on the ball as he looked quick. A few bad decisions but I think he's got a lot of potential. Best player on the pitch for us. Not really. Reminded me of Martin Carruthers lots of running but no end product and couldn't beat his man. Lost confidence and faded for me. Harsh I know as I'd love a youngster to come through but can't see him making the grade
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 19:55:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:55:22 GMT
He did more in 20 minutes that affelay did in 70. He was at least direct and put defenders on the back know foot. OK not a great end product but the lad had a go. The main gripe surely has to go with the manager for yet again totally neglecting to get a wide man in when we need one
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Post by britvic72 on Feb 4, 2017 20:00:29 GMT
He did more in 20 minutes that affelay did in 70. He was at least direct and put defenders on the back know foot. OK not a great end product but the lad had a go. The main gripe surely has to go with the manager for yet again totally neglecting to get a wide man in when we need one Huffed and puffed a lot but did he do anything more than that?
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 20:02:37 GMT
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Post by samba :) on Feb 4, 2017 20:02:37 GMT
on my purely wank stream he turned to the bench when he lost the ball and shouted "hes fucking crap" and berahino was frustrated with him to
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Post by redwhite on Feb 4, 2017 20:09:43 GMT
Some might do well to remember the lad is 19 and being played out of position.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 20:09:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 20:09:59 GMT
He did more in 20 minutes that affelay did in 70. He was at least direct and put defenders on the back know foot. OK not a great end product but the lad had a go. The main gripe surely has to go with the manager for yet again totally neglecting to get a wide man in when we need one Huffed and puffed a lot but did he do anything more than that? I thought he at least tried to be direct and make runs into the box. Final.ball wasteful but when you look at Allen whelan afellay today there are certainly more worrying matters than a young lad
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 20:14:06 GMT
Post by britvic72 on Feb 4, 2017 20:14:06 GMT
Huffed and puffed a lot but did he do anything more than that? I thought he at least tried to be direct and make runs into the box. Final.ball wasteful but when you look at Allen whelan afellay today there are certainly more worrying matters than a young lad Agree. I'd love him to do well but EPL is much tougher now
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 20:17:44 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 4, 2017 20:17:44 GMT
Some might do well to remember the lad is 19 and being played out of position. Bang on mate
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 21:11:16 GMT
Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 4, 2017 21:11:16 GMT
Ngoy miscontrolled a pass from Whelan. Whelan turned around and said 'he's fucking crap'. Also, there were times where Whelan threw his hands up in the air when Ngoy lost the ball. IF this is true then it's unacceptable from Whelan. See the Captain, Manager or whoever if you have a beef about a player but should never be in public. Worrying and dissapointing for me - if true.
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Post by haddock on Feb 4, 2017 21:12:24 GMT
Looked out of his depth and unwilling or unable to do anything. Love him to prove all us doubters wrong but no evidence so far of that.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 21:27:07 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 4, 2017 21:27:07 GMT
Looked out of his depth and unwilling or unable to do anything. Love him to prove all us doubters wrong but no evidence so far of that. See post above, he is a 19 year old lad being flogged out of position to cover our managers neglegence in the transfer markets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 21:51:44 GMT
Ngoy miscontrolled a pass from Whelan. Whelan turned around and said 'he's fucking crap'. Also, there were times where Whelan threw his hands up in the air when Ngoy lost the ball. IF this is true then it's unacceptable from Whelan. See the Captain, Manager or whoever if you have a beef about a player but should never be in public. Worrying and dissapointing for me - if true. Sadly it is true. The cameras picked it up and there's no doubt he said ' he's fucking crap'. I saw it and have little doubt he was referring to Ngoy. It's unlikely MOTD will show that clip but it was definitely picked up on the live stream I watched today. I've said earlier that Ngoy looks like one of those lads who needs reassuring with a comforting arm around the shoulder. Wheelans outburst will do nothing for his confidence. Poor show from a seasoned professional and fellow teammate.
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Post by liamo on Feb 4, 2017 22:00:12 GMT
Youth players need to be coached by players they look up to more than anyone else, if Whelan genuinely said that he should be punished imo, if he's making mistakes then treat him like you'd treat any player making mistakes
Whelan himself has had some right mares in a Stoke shirt, i doubt he got the same treatment
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 22:01:43 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 4, 2017 22:01:43 GMT
Youth players need to be coached by players they look up to more than anyone else, if Whelan genuinely said that he should be punished imo, if he's making mistakes then treat him like you'd treat any player making mistakes Whelan himself has had some right mares in a Stoke shirt, i doubt he got the same treatment It will be a load of bullshit
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Post by sportsman on Feb 4, 2017 22:06:45 GMT
I think some are worrying too much about it. Radio stoke commentary from Clive Clarke said it would do him good for the seasoned pros to pull him up during the game. Stop fretting.
Bloody hell Roy Keane used to do it every game to young and old. Never hurt them united youngsters at the time. Think they went on to do pretty well.
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Ngoy
Feb 4, 2017 23:23:35 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Feb 4, 2017 23:23:35 GMT
When he's good enough, I'll welcome him into the team with delight, but he is way below par. Send him out for a season in the Championship. He is a young Striker being hung out to dry as a winger (when used) to cover up for 3 windows of neglegence in the transfer market. He is a striker not a winger, there are more square pegs trying to fit into round holes in the squad / team than there ever has been, after the money we have spent that is nothing short of criminal! I wouldn't drop any of our senior players for him. If he is a striker, he has to displace Crouch, Berahino Diouff, Walters. On the evidence I've seen, he needs a lot of improving. How on earth does your logic arrive at the conclusion he is "being hung out to dry as a winger (when used) to cover up for 3 windows of negligence"???? Surely if a manager takes an inexperienced striker and puts him on the wing, it would draw attention to the fact that we are light in that area rather than covering it up??? Also how many people do you think we need that can cover at right wing? How has Hughes been negligent on the right wing?
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Post by fca47 on Feb 4, 2017 23:36:57 GMT
Not doing his confidence any good, continuously being played out of position.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 4, 2017 23:44:06 GMT
He is a young Striker being hung out to dry as a winger (when used) to cover up for 3 windows of neglegence in the transfer market. He is a striker not a winger, there are more square pegs trying to fit into round holes in the squad / team than there ever has been, after the money we have spent that is nothing short of criminal! I wouldn't drop any of our senior players for him. If he is a striker, he has to displace Crouch, Berahino Diouff, Walters. On the evidence I've seen, he needs a lot of improving. How on earth does your logic arrive at the conclusion he is "being hung out to dry as a winger (when used) to cover up for 3 windows of negligence"???? Surely if a manager takes an inexperienced striker and puts him on the wing, it would draw attention to the fact that we are light in that area rather than covering it up??? Also how many people do you think we need that can cover at right wing? How has Hughes been negligent on the right wing? The fact that we have had to put a CM (affelay) there and a CF (NGoy) because we have zero winger cover, shows neglegence! His persistence in signing too many midfielders (central) and not getting backup / strengthening areas that we can all see that we need is neglegence. Now a young talent is being ripped to shreds because he is playing out of position trying to create something out of nothing when it should be him finishing the chances off!
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Post by parsons75 on Feb 4, 2017 23:44:25 GMT
Youth players need to be coached by players they look up to more than anyone else, if Whelan genuinely said that he should be punished imo, if he's making mistakes then treat him like you'd treat any player making mistakes Whelan himself has had some right mares in a Stoke shirt, i doubt he got the same treatment Roy Keane was much harsher with the young Man United players. Ferguson never said he should be punished...
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 5, 2017 0:30:31 GMT
From what I saw today for a young lad who's had less than 90 minutes cumulative premier league time he did fine. He looked a bit nervous and unsure but a few things to remember:
He's not a winger, affellay looked out of position plenty of times today and for the same reason
He's still a very young player with raw talent
Made some good dribbles into the box and looked threatening with his pace
If its true and Whelan did call him 'fucking crap' on the pitch then he needs to take a long hard look at himself, he didn't cover himself in glory today. Far from it, but then its ok for him because it takes him at least 5 minutes to decide who he's going to pass it too (normally whoever in front of him), he was the human personification of a 'ditherer' on the ball today and failed to make any effort to challenge for the ball when the opposition were through on goal but id expect no less as he rarely tackles in the middle of the pitch.
The lad didn't do much wrong today and coming out with something like that isn't going to help us win the game. Tell him to do things like track players, change position, mark players etc but he did nothing to warrant a response like that. Perhaps why some youth players haven't done well if this is the response they get off senior players?
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 5, 2017 0:32:18 GMT
Looks like he has everything that is needed but experience!
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Ngoy
Feb 5, 2017 0:58:25 GMT
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Post by burge2u on Feb 5, 2017 0:58:25 GMT
I don't know much about Ngoy other than seeing his recent brief appearances as a sub.
To me he doesn't appear to be a winger. He gave us no width on the right hand side. This was compounded late on in the game when Arnie was drifting inside more from the left. Although we were doing a lot of pressing late on, I think that we were too narrow up front making it easier for West Brom to defend.
Two of our best chances in the match came late in the first half, when Arnie crossed (with his left foot) from the byeline.
I think that we could have varied our approach by occasionally swapping Arnie to the right side.
P.S. this is NOT a dig at Arnie, he's one of our most creative players. I just think that we are too narrow & too predictable up front. Ngoy was party to that when he came on.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 5, 2017 3:45:12 GMT
Fuck me we actually bring a lad through from the youth team to the senior squad and he's getting picked apart and called "Fucking Crap" by one of our supposed senior pros.
We moan our bags off that no youngsters get tried out and then crucify them when they do, he's an inexperienced striker being shoehorned into an unfamiliar role and he still did more in his appearance today than Afellay did all game.
I think he's a hugely promising talent, that with the right nurturing and actually being played in position, could quite easily do a job in this league, he might have lacked confidence in areas when he could have shot, but the most important thing for me is he didn't look out of place, I love the fact that our investment in the youth setup is finally starting to bare fruit, I was watching in the pub and could clearly see Whelan utter "He's fucking crap", well I guarantee he'd have done a better job tracking his man on their goal than you mate, so I'd suggest you sort your own game out before having a pop at a youngster, what do you expect the lad to do? Come on and be the next Ronaldo instantly?
I'd be all for giving him a run up top in the last 20 minutes of games, he's direct and quick, which is everything we weren't today, goarn Julien.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Feb 5, 2017 9:10:16 GMT
N'Goy' performance yesterday underlined how difficult it is to go from youth football to mens football. Ideally he would'nt be thrown in in a game as thight as this one against West Broms battlehardended defenders. He should be getting his minutes in games where we are in total control - unfortunately there are not many of those ...
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Ngoy
Feb 5, 2017 9:47:54 GMT
Post by liamo on Feb 5, 2017 9:47:54 GMT
Youth players need to be coached by players they look up to more than anyone else, if Whelan genuinely said that he should be punished imo, if he's making mistakes then treat him like you'd treat any player making mistakes Whelan himself has had some right mares in a Stoke shirt, i doubt he got the same treatment Roy Keane was much harsher with the young Man United players. Ferguson never said he should be punished... It's different times now though, the way Ngoy's shoulders dropped and then he stopped trying to take his man on you could tell he felt the pressure You want their confidence building, not being completely destroyed by someone who they should look up to and who had a less than perfect game themself We've invested heavily in the youth system because the way we've done business up to now is unsustainable year on year, the youth system needs to start baring fruit and senior pros shooting down the youth players coming through doesn't help in the slightest, a pat on the back and "keep going lad" isn't too much to ask is it?
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Ngoy
Feb 5, 2017 10:09:03 GMT
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Post by alster on Feb 5, 2017 10:09:03 GMT
Roy Keane was much harsher with the young Man United players. Ferguson never said he should be punished... It's different times now though, the way Ngoy's shoulders dropped and then he stopped trying to take his man on you could tell he felt the pressure You want their confidence building, not being completely destroyed by someone who they should look up to and who had a less than perfect game themself We've invested heavily in the youth system because the way we've done business up to now is unsustainable year on year, the youth system needs to start baring fruit and senior pros shooting down the youth players coming through doesn't help in the slightest, a pat on the back and "keep going lad" isn't too much to ask is it? Strange how people see things the lad wasn't great and made poor decisions and no end product but that said he posed more threat than the bloke we've just bought in dor millions. As for Whelan I didn't notice him doing whats being reported but if he did he's a twat who needs to watch a video of his own pathetic performance before he starts commenting on that of anyone else's.
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Ngoy
Feb 5, 2017 10:28:05 GMT
Post by northantsash on Feb 5, 2017 10:28:05 GMT
I didnt have the benefit of being at the game, but if true, whelan wants a dressing down for those kind of actions.
As for Ngoy, seems amazing how a youngster can divide opinion so much. Personally i feel for him being played out of position. We need to remember just how young he is and he needs more game time to get more experience and with it perhaps develop a bit more calmness in possession and improve his final ball. From what i have seen of him, there is some talent there and i would certainly hope he gets a few more games and even a start.
Our wingers really do flatter to deceive at times, both shaq and arnie have been inconsistent at best this season putting in great performances at hull and sunderland compared to complete anonymity in other matches. In my view, regardless of where Ngoy is likely to end up playing on the pitch, if we want him to develop he needs game time, either here or on loan. You never know it might save us spunking £10 million on another winger
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