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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 1, 2017 22:40:57 GMT
Why does he need a rest? He's just had a 10 day break!
He's not good enough in the CAM position. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 1, 2017 22:41:53 GMT
Won the ball lost the ball won the ball lost the ball ..... and repeat... He's not playing well enough to dislodge Adam or whelan so the bench it has to be for him. Problem is who then to play in the number 10 role What's the old saying, he can trap a ball further than I can kick it!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 1, 2017 22:42:14 GMT
Yeah, needs a rest... Afellay was a class above.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 1, 2017 22:42:51 GMT
In the last two games he hasn't showed the same control on the ball as earlier in the season, but most players have a little dip in form over a long season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 22:42:54 GMT
Won the ball lost the ball won the ball lost the ball ..... and repeat... He's not playing well enough to dislodge Adam or whelan so the bench it has to be for him. Problem is who then to play in the number 10 role What's the old saying, he can trap a ball further than I can kick it! That summed him up perfect tonight bud. Can't knock his work rate etc but his touch at times was appalling
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 1, 2017 22:44:33 GMT
In the last two games he hasn't showed the same control on the ball as earlier in the season, but most players have a little dip in form over a long season. But he isn't Bojan, hence this thread. It's going to be the same whoever plays there.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2017 22:44:53 GMT
Joe "second touch is a tackle" Allen.
The only Stoke City player to play poorly tonight.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2017 22:51:39 GMT
He was awful tonight.
What really annoys me about him is does he realise how futile his aimless running is if no one else is within 20 yards of him?
We either need to press properly or just let him drop in and save his energy for when it's needed.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 1, 2017 22:51:40 GMT
Like him a lot but very poor today needs a rest. Other than Adam who trys to go forward at every opportunity the other 3 just arent positive enough. It's nice though when we're not getting it right to put in a decent performance. I still think our best formation is a 4123 with Whelan protecting the back 4. I have no idea who the 2 in front of him should be especially when you can throw Cameron and Ireland into the pot too. Imbula and Adam in the 2 if you play that formation. Whelan for the dirty work. I like Allen, and I don't agree with those who say he is crap, but both he and Afellay were ineffective tonight. Adam did his job, as did Whelan, but what did the other two achieve? I take the earlier point about Joe getting no support at times, because the other midfielders can't keep up with him, but he tries to do everything too quickly. He's fucked after an hour.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 1, 2017 22:52:29 GMT
Joe "second touch is a tackle" Allen. The only Stoke City player to play poorly tonight. Last two games has not been up to his usual level.Fatigue may be creeping in after his extended summer?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 1, 2017 23:09:52 GMT
Joe "second touch is a tackle" Allen. The only Stoke City player to play poorly tonight. Last two games has not been up to his usual level.Fatigue may be creeping in after his extended summer? Tonight wasn't down to fatigue, he just had a poor game, still got about, just couldn't take a decent touch or make a worthwhile pass.
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Post by petecampbell on Feb 1, 2017 23:55:51 GMT
He has been poor for a while if we are being honest.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2017 23:59:03 GMT
He has been poor for a while if we are being honest. You are not allowed to say that. He's ace. He runs around a lot. Whether he does a lot is therefore completely irrelevant.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 2, 2017 0:04:13 GMT
He doesn't seem to be anything like as good in possession of the ball as I remember him being for Swansea or Liverpool.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 2, 2017 0:18:08 GMT
He doesn't seem to be anything like as good in possession of the ball as I remember him being for Swansea or Liverpool. I always had Allen down as a nothing player. Someone who'd pass it 5 yards, do it metronomically and accurately and then do nothing else. But he looks frightened and like he has no time with the ball with us. I think it may be because he is playing higher up the pitch so will have less time. And fatigue from his aimless running won't help.
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Post by Jimmyg on Feb 2, 2017 0:29:36 GMT
Was doing ok but like someone said struggled to link up with the midfield, personally I would have bought imbula on for Adam and dropped Allen back as we were clearly missing a spark in the advanced midfield role.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 2, 2017 0:30:59 GMT
He doesn't seem to be anything like as good in possession of the ball as I remember him being for Swansea or Liverpool. I always had Allen down as a nothing player. Someone who'd pass it 5 yards, do it metronomically and accurately and then do nothing else. But he looks frightened and like he has no time with the ball with us. I think it may be because he is playing higher up the pitch so will have less time. And fatigue from his aimless running won't help. Thought he was integral to our performance tonight. Broke stuff up defending, helped to keep them pegged back and offered runs and options up front. He's had a few 'off' games but not tonight. A few misplaced passes when scrapping for it, but no complaints from me tonight. Strange that we keep kicking it up to him, he's obviously not a big man but he won plenty 'on the drop'. Brilliant team effort and all of them in a shout for MoM, even Joe Allen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 2, 2017 0:33:27 GMT
I always had Allen down as a nothing player. Someone who'd pass it 5 yards, do it metronomically and accurately and then do nothing else. But he looks frightened and like he has no time with the ball with us. I think it may be because he is playing higher up the pitch so will have less time. And fatigue from his aimless running won't help. Thought he was integral to our performance tonight. Broke stuff up defending, helped to keep them pegged back and offered runs and options up front. He's had a few 'off' games but not tonight. A few misplaced passes when scrapping for it, but no complaints from me tonight. Strange that we keep kicking it up to him, he's obviously not a big man but he won plenty 'on the drop'. Brilliant team effort and all of them in a shout for MoM, even Joe Allen. Pegged back? They ran through the midfield at will and never had them pegged back! We created chances but we never had a spell where we pegged them back! He was woeful tonight, his passing was way off and he got caught on the ball way too often. His aerial prowess was the only good thing he did!
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Post by turtlefox on Feb 2, 2017 0:43:01 GMT
He's having a great season for a first season. His presence in the team is invaluable. You can't knock what he brings to us, even if he has an offish game.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 2, 2017 0:49:30 GMT
Thought he was integral to our performance tonight. Broke stuff up defending, helped to keep them pegged back and offered runs and options up front. He's had a few 'off' games but not tonight. A few misplaced passes when scrapping for it, but no complaints from me tonight. Strange that we keep kicking it up to him, he's obviously not a big man but he won plenty 'on the drop'. Brilliant team effort and all of them in a shout for MoM, even Joe Allen. Pegged back? They ran through the midfield at will and never had them pegged back! We created chances but we never had a spell where we pegged them back! He was woeful tonight, his passing was way off and he got caught on the ball way too often. His aerial prowess was the only good thing he did! Nah, they did very little 'at will'. Found a bit of space out wide with Baines and when it broke down with Arnie {wrong legs toneet}. Barkley found some space, and for their goal we were too deep and left space on the edge of our box, Did you see how high Whelan played for the majority of the match? we broke their lines of communication to Lukaku. Bruno, Ryan and Adam especially putting the blocks etc in. I thought Joey has had a few poor/headless showings, not tonight it was his dynamism that helped to push us on. But I suspect you've already convinced yourself of his shittiness.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2017 0:55:10 GMT
Pegged back? They ran through the midfield at will and never had them pegged back! We created chances but we never had a spell where we pegged them back! He was woeful tonight, his passing was way off and he got caught on the ball way too often. His aerial prowess was the only good thing he did! Nah, they did very little 'at will'. Found a bit of space out wide with Baines and when it broke down with Arnie {wrong legs toneet}. Barkley found some space, and for their goal we were too deep and left space on the edge of our box, Did you see how high Whelan played for the majority of the match? we broke their lines of communication to Lukaku. Bruno, Ryan and Adam especially putting the blocks etc in. I thought Joey has had a few poor/headless showings, not tonight it was his dynamism that helped to push us on. But I suspect you've already convinced yourself of his shittiness.
Which matches are you referring to specifically?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 2, 2017 0:55:23 GMT
I did see how high Whelan was, it's what I was bollocking Adam for as he didn't sit in and cover and they'd pass in the gap.
I've never rated him. Nothing he's done here has changed that.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 2, 2017 1:32:05 GMT
bit late for specifics really Paul/ More of a broad brush stroke general perception.
He bost on the scene looking like a Klopp gegenpresser in amongst a team coached in the periodisation approach, in it for the long term. He seemed to find his mojo in a supporting role for Bony. I think he's a massive player in terms of breaking up the rythm of the opposition. Thought he did that brilliantly tonight, gets a foot in, break up play won't always be pretty. The way he plays does rely on a bit of the 'rub of the green', I thought that was eluding him over the xmas period. Perhaps ironically I don't think he played so well in our 3 at the back thing. Prior to the Man Utd match {I think} I posted that I thought he looked buggered, needed a rest? Maybe he's recouperated over the break.
He set a very high standard in the Euros and early doors, 'poor' games is perhaps a bit harsh, I'm talking relatively.
Really enjoyed our football tonight, deserved a win imo.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 2, 2017 1:39:35 GMT
When he went off (which was the right decision because he was fucked) we lost it in the middle I thought.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 2, 2017 7:43:56 GMT
In the last two games he hasn't showed the same control on the ball as earlier in the season, but most players have a little dip in form over a long season. But he isn't Bojan, hence this thread. It's going to be the same whoever plays there. He isn't Bojan, but he still puts in a shift!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 2, 2017 7:58:36 GMT
He does need a rest of sorts. He simply needs dropping for a few games.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Feb 2, 2017 8:07:03 GMT
It would probably help if every pass to him wasn't leathered at a million miles a hour. FWIW I didn't think he had a particularly poor game. Pretty average - did some decent work when we hadn't got the ball, didn't influence it enough when we had.
When Ramadan is back I'll play him on the other wing and give Shaq a few games in behind Berahino. Could transform our play.
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Post by loyalstripey on Feb 2, 2017 8:08:57 GMT
Leave him alone, FFS.
Although Joe's form has dropped (I'm sure he fully knows this without being reminded), his energy, drive and enthusiasm is still evident in abundance.
It's just 'not coming off' for him at the moment. Those tackles and 50/50 challenges during his early days saw him winning the ball more often than not and it will come back sooner rather than later.
Class is permanent, form is temporary.....
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Post by Northy on Feb 2, 2017 8:25:36 GMT
Pegged back? They ran through the midfield at will and never had them pegged back! We created chances but we never had a spell where we pegged them back! He was woeful tonight, his passing was way off and he got caught on the ball way too often. His aerial prowess was the only good thing he did! Nah, they did very little 'at will'. Found a bit of space out wide with Baines and when it broke down with Arnie {wrong legs toneet}. Barkley found some space, and for their goal we were too deep and left space on the edge of our box, Did you see how high Whelan played for the majority of the match? we broke their lines of communication to Lukaku. Bruno, Ryan and Adam especially putting the blocks etc in. I thought Joey has had a few poor/headless showings, not tonight it was his dynamism that helped to push us on. But I suspect you've already convinced yourself of his shittiness. Agree, one moment he was on the edge of their box involved in a chance, then seconds later he was defending on the edge of our box intecepting a vital through ball.
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Post by pavel on Feb 2, 2017 9:41:50 GMT
Allen was poor last night, as he has been for a number of games recently, a lot of running to little effect with poor ball control and so many misplaced passes. If Bojan had misplaced so may passes, given the ball away so much and had such poor control he would have been slated by this board and hooked much earlier I imagine. It seems Bojan is judged by different criteria. It's not Allen's fault though, he doesn't choose his position.
When we signed Allen I hoped to see the Allen we'd seen playing for Wales where he was rightly lauded for his performances, but suddenly he metamorphosed into a "number 10", he had a purple patch there but has tailed off as I expected him to do. We were crying out for guile rather than what Allen provided last night and if we are to get the most out of Berahino I believe we need more than what Allen can provide in the number 10 role.
I'd like to see him playing the role he played for Wales, where he had the energy, composure, skill and above all the discipline to excel in that position. Last night he reminded me of Dean Whitehead with upgraded batteries, perhaps a little harsh but certainly lots of running to little effect and a win ball/lose ball performance which is so frustrating.
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