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Post by nonameface on Jan 23, 2017 17:05:52 GMT
Bojan may well want to play every week but can he say in all honesty that his performances merit a regular place in the side. If he does move, he will play well for several games and then the same problem will appear -- again! Bojan's state of mind needs working on. Steve Peters, a sports psychologist/psychiatrist, worked at Liverpool and helped Gerrard get his career back on track after injury. Maybe a few sessions with him would work wonders for Bojan. It begs a general question - if a player has a lapse of form (say 2, 3 or 4 games?), do you replace him or do you persevere, hoping that the 'form is temporary, class is permanent' theory proves itself? If you 'bomb' every player every time they have a few poor games, then, over the season, you will rarely have a settled side as a number of players will go through such a phase. Is that the question in this case? For me the questions would be: What would you do with a player who temporarily hit extreme high heights only for his form there after to be generally of a lower standard, with the odd game reminding people of "what if"? How long do you persist with this type of player hoping they perform consistently to those high standards?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 23, 2017 18:50:02 GMT
For God's sake, will people stop putting Muniesa in midfield. Because you've seen Muniesa play in midfield and it didn't suit him? Or what? What do you think?
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 23, 2017 19:06:47 GMT
Because you've seen Muniesa play in midfield and it didn't suit him? Or what? What do you think? It's a genuine question, not a piss take or looking for an argument. I haven't seen him play in midfield so I don't know whether it would suit him or not. You told someone earlier to stop suggesting Muniesa for midfield so I wondered what your reason was for saying that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 21:16:16 GMT
Don't go Boj!
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 23, 2017 21:29:42 GMT
Mark Hughes was such a massive fan of Bojan that he gave him a 5 year contract even after he came back from that terrible injury. If Hughes is willing to get rid then I trust his judgement and it tells me that he's lost faith in Bojan and whatever he had that warranted a 5 year contract just isn't there anymore.
Or it's actually pretty much the same but since then he's signed Imbula and Allen and he is probably a bit overstocked in that area now.
I don't think Bojan has done much particularly wrong to be honest.
Hughes probably thought that Imbula would give him the platform (as a like for like replacement for N'Zonzi) so that he would be able to play a proper number 10 but it has become patently obvious that that isn't going to happen and Hughes knows that it's now difficult to play an out and out number 10 in his starting XI at the moment.
Bojan wants to play but other things have happened since he signed his deal that might mean that's going to be difficult to accommodate him.
I understand what you're saying but if Hughes thinks Bojan has still got 'it' then surely there's no way he would consider selling him surely? If he's prepared to let him go, rather than finding a player who can give him the platform like you say, then I think that would tell us he just no longer rates Bojan as highly as he once did.
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Post by parkinsbellyisback on Jan 23, 2017 21:54:41 GMT
My source at Valencia tells me that they are in talks with Stoke for Bojan, don't know if loan or permanent. Stoke are again interested in Rodrigo, so there is the possibility of some sort of swap deal. Representatives from Stoke are due in Spain imminently.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 23, 2017 22:00:11 GMT
My source at Valencia tells me that they are in talks with Stoke for Bojan, don't know if loan or permanent. Stoke are again interested in Rodrigo, so there is the possibility of some sort of swap deal. Representatives from Stoke are due in Spain imminently. I really think that a loan could work
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 23, 2017 22:01:33 GMT
Or it's actually pretty much the same but since then he's signed Imbula and Allen and he is probably a bit overstocked in that area now.
I don't think Bojan has done much particularly wrong to be honest.
Hughes probably thought that Imbula would give him the platform (as a like for like replacement for N'Zonzi) so that he would be able to play a proper number 10 but it has become patently obvious that that isn't going to happen and Hughes knows that it's now difficult to play an out and out number 10 in his starting XI at the moment.
Bojan wants to play but other things have happened since he signed his deal that might mean that's going to be difficult to accommodate him.
I understand what you're saying but if Hughes thinks Bojan has still got 'it' then surely there's no way he would consider selling him surely? If he's prepared to let him go, rather than finding a player who can give him the platform like you say, then I think that would tell us he just no longer rates Bojan as highly as he once did.
If you take Hughes' comments at face value, then it certainly does seem that he wants him to stay but he also recognises that Bojan is desperate to play nogger and that he's prepared to let him go because he can't (currently) offer that but he's ultimately not going to do so unless somebody coughs up the appropriate readies.
I think that's a fair reflection of what Hughes has said and I don't think that it indicates that he's given up on the player per se, as a lot of people seem to be suggesting.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 23, 2017 22:03:05 GMT
My source at Valencia tells me that they are in talks with Stoke for Bojan, don't know if loan or permanent. Stoke are again interested in Rodrigo, so there is the possibility of some sort of swap deal. Representatives from Stoke are due in Spain imminently. Looks like Rodders is out for 3 monthsWouldn't be surprised if Bojan ended up there though?
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jan 23, 2017 22:06:14 GMT
Valencia are in a right state on and off the pitch at the moment so a move there permanently would be a huge step back but a loan could be beneficial for all involved if he's that keen on going.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 23, 2017 22:56:43 GMT
This could put pay to a move to Boro
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2017 23:12:22 GMT
My source at Valencia tells me that they are in talks with Stoke for Bojan, don't know if loan or permanent. Stoke are again interested in Rodrigo, so there is the possibility of some sort of swap deal. Representatives from Stoke are due in Spain imminently. Looks like Rodders is out for 3 monthsWouldn't be surprised if Bojan ended up there though? *Hugo Rodellega flashbacks*
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2017 12:43:45 GMT
Watford interest mentioned
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Post by jeycov on Jan 24, 2017 12:55:48 GMT
Watford interest mentioned Not a good move for us if he going to a possible rival?
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Post by ysc1 on Jan 24, 2017 13:00:35 GMT
Watford?! Why would he want to go there haha
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 24, 2017 13:01:17 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if there's something going on behind the scenes at boro, the manager has form for storming off.
Watford? The have a new manager every 6 months.
His best option is to stay put for the rest of the deason, see how it works with a bit more effort and if anything exciting can happen by linking up well with Saido and becoming a force again
If that really really doesn't happen, then i'd be sad to see him go, (but not to any other premier league team.)
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 24, 2017 13:03:59 GMT
C'Mon Bojan! Come on against Everton at 60 minutes along with SB and set the world on fire by making a hat-trick for SB!!!
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 24, 2017 13:10:39 GMT
C'Mon Bojan! Come on against Everton at 60 minutes along with SB and set the world on fire by making a hat-trick for SB!!! doesn't he always score against everton? (or at least have avery good game)
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 24, 2017 13:26:18 GMT
Watford interest mentioned Not a good move for us if he going to a possible rival? Haha. You sound like TP there J
Not he understands the difference between "rival" and "superior" obviously.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 24, 2017 13:38:36 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if there's something going on behind the scenes at boro, the manager has form for storming off. Watford? The have a new manager every 6 months. His best option is to stay put for the rest of the deason, see how it works with a bit more effort and if anything exciting can happen by linking up well with Saido and becoming a force again If that really really doesn't happen, then i'd be sad to see him go, (but not to any other premier league team.) Neither can be on his wish list of clubs to play for - but I guess we weren't either three (?) years ago tbf.
So both could go South very quickly.
The key to it all though is playing time; he looks a long way off our starting eleven atm and I personally can't see SB changing that despite the possibilities it offers, so if either Boro or Watford gave him minutes (which they surely would) the hope would be that it could get him match fit and reignite his form.
So for me, that's where one aspect of a loan would work - albeit, if our intention is to kick on, then it would obviously be without him which would still leave him with no clear way back into our first 11 on his return.
Tricky.
That said, hearing TS yesterday, it was as clear as day that his exit is very much on the agenda in Pizza Hut this week.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 24, 2017 13:43:44 GMT
My source at Valencia tells me that they are in talks with Stoke for Bojan, don't know if loan or permanent. Stoke are again interested in Rodrigo, so there is the possibility of some sort of swap deal. Representatives from Stoke are due in Spain imminently. I really think that a loan could work I'm the opposite. I think if he goes out on loan he won't be coming back to us and if we're getting offered decent money now makes sense to cash in and possibly try and get a replacement in now. (I don't want him to go but if he's not happy no point keeping him)
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 24, 2017 13:45:13 GMT
I would imagine a return to Spain would be his, and our, preferred escape route. No embarrassment for us if he plays well for a rival, he gets to go home and try to establish himself as a regular in a mid-level La Liga outfit and we all think about what might have been. The only issue may be money as, outside of the top 3 or 4 clubs, Spanish teams are not that rich to be able to afford the transfer fee and wages required.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 24, 2017 13:48:57 GMT
Not a good move for us if he going to a possible rival? Haha. You sound like TP there J
Not he understands the difference between "rival" and "superior" obviously.
They are 4 points below us, which can easily change. Bojan might get more playing time at Watford.
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Post by peterhampton on Jan 24, 2017 13:59:28 GMT
I've always thought that more than most players, he needs a run of games to "get his eye in", find his touch, whatever you want to call it. He was a slow starter when he first joined, we persevered and he showed his true ability. Don't think he's had a decent run this season, has he? Possibly the hammerings we took early on meant Sparky couldn't afford the luxury of giving him time to play his way into form. A real shame if we lose him.
Incidentally, even when he isn't on top form, he's still got an eye for goal.
If we can keep him this window, opportunities may arise later in the season? Fingers crossed.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 24, 2017 15:05:59 GMT
I can think of one Stoke player who joined a Spanish team who's the subject of a never-ending thread with some of us weeping and wailing and others suggesting we move on. The same may well happen with Bojan, so out of sight will not be out of mind.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 24, 2017 16:14:12 GMT
Here's to the new Stoke partnership ..... BS! Oh wait ... how about KB? hmmmm.... if we take all 4 into account .......SKAB! Song needed .... SKAB, SKAB, in the net you stab the ball! The Ball! SKAB, SKAB, Spurs their eyes will dab when you score! Score! Hey, what more could you ask of me, the Picasso of music?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 16:22:47 GMT
GoBoks - I think you need to get your medication changing.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 24, 2017 16:29:52 GMT
GoBoks - I think you need to get your medication changing. Yes please! Are you licensed to prescribe in the US?
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Post by Northy on Jan 24, 2017 18:45:22 GMT
Here's to the new Stoke partnership ..... BS! Oh wait ... how about KB? hmmmm.... if we take all 4 into account .......SKAB! Song needed .... SKAB, SKAB, in the net you stab the ball! The Ball! SKAB, SKAB, Spurs their eyes will dab when you score! Score! Hey, what more could you ask of me, the Picasso of music? how do you get SKAB out of BS KB and what the heck are you on about
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 24, 2017 19:03:07 GMT
Think he'd be mad to go to Watford, they're playing dreadful football and could be conceivably relegated. Would he even suit their style of play?
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