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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 24, 2017 19:23:23 GMT
Has all gone quiet from Spain then? He'd be mad to leave us to go to either Boro or Watford.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2017 19:24:40 GMT
Surely not...
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 24, 2017 19:27:09 GMT
If he goes there I'll dip my left ball in bovril and eat it whole!! No chance |
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Post by baystokie on Jan 24, 2017 19:36:22 GMT
If he goes there I'll dip my left ball in bovril and eat it whole!! No chance He'd likely get more Champions League games with the as he would with Watford or Boro. Admittedly, not THAT many but......... Large fan base, lots of medals, what's not to like  |
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Post by werrington on Jan 24, 2017 19:39:09 GMT
It's hard to imagine Celtic could afford him
Huge club and the champions league though
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Post by boro on Jan 24, 2017 19:43:01 GMT
Hey I'm a boro fan and read through most of this thread about bojan. Tbh I'm not sure I can see this move happening any more, I think the risk of us going down will be to high for bojan and put him off a move wether he wants to work with karanka or not. But there is an itk guy up here that says it's just down to sorting a fee out.
Anyway I was wondering what his actual position is? From what I've read your system and formation has gone a similar direction to ours, a few have mentioned you changed from 4231 to 433 because your midfield was being over ran, well we have done exactly the same.
We played 4231 since karanka came but changed to 433 after a few games in the premiership when we just couldn't get a hold of a game because we were weak in midfield. Ironically our best performance playing 4231 was probably against Stoke on the opening day.
My issue is a few of you have said it's since you went 433 that bojan has struggled because he can't really fit into it. Did Hughes play him as one of the forward 3 or one of the midfield 3? I have a feeling karanka would play him on the left of a forward 3, our wide forwards play more as wide #10 positions rather than wingers, coming inside narrow but I'd still be worried because the general consensus from this thread is he either plays centrally or he doesn't fit in.
Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield.
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Post by h3nd0 on Jan 24, 2017 19:51:53 GMT
Bojan just seems very inconsistent at the min but is it because he has a unsettled starting place. even tho most fans will be gutted if he leaves as they have seen some of the class he has pulled off in the past all be it a fair few months back. there was even talk of him playing up front at some point..
too be honest i don't think Hughes knows what to with regards to the midfield at the mo.. he keeps swapping n changing but nothing seems to be solid from one week to the next.. imbula has a rare gd game n too me is too greedy so the sooner he goes the better in my opinion n dont think he suits our playing style tracking back n stuff when needed..
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 24, 2017 19:56:02 GMT
Would a record bid from Celtic be worth having? As in what is their current record fee in rough figures. I understand that for whatever figure we receive there is a sell on clause that requires we give a certain amount back to Barcelona.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 24, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
Would a record bid from Celtic be worth having? As in what is their current record fee in rough figures. I understand that for whatever figure we receive there is a sell on clause that requires we give a certain amount back to Barcelona. Don't be daft sell one impossible to negotiate see nzonzi 😜😜😜 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2017 20:05:49 GMT
I just assumed this Celtic thing was a red herring?
Playing in front of 55,000 with a 50-50 chance of playing a handful of games in the Champs League group stage next season isn't to be sneezed at.
But their wage bill is 50%(?) of ours, so could they pay him £3m-a-year?
The days of the SPL being semi-relevant are long gone, and now even Rangers are crap meaning the league is wrapped up on day one. Those games against Hamilton Accies, Ross and Inverness would make you want to retire. Louis Moult and Adam Rooney are hot strikers up there. Say no more.
I don't even check the results up there anymore. Genuinely feel sorry for both sets of Old Firm fans, but they're a complete irrelevance for anyone with any ambition, and will be unless and until there's some sort of new European league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 20:10:17 GMT
GoBoks - I think you need to get your medication changing. Yes please! Are you licensed to prescribe in the US? Sure why not? Nobody has ever told me that I'm not licenced. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 24, 2017 20:12:23 GMT
Hey I'm a boro fan and read through most of this thread about bojan. Tbh I'm not sure I can see this move happening any more, I think the risk of us going down will be to high for bojan and put him off a move wether he wants to work with karanka or not. But there is an itk guy up here that says it's just down to sorting a fee out. Anyway I was wondering what his actual position is? From what I've read your system and formation has gone a similar direction to ours, a few have mentioned you changed from 4231 to 433 because your midfield was being over ran, well we have done exactly the same. We played 4231 since karanka came but changed to 433 after a few games in the premiership when we just couldn't get a hold of a game because we were weak in midfield. Ironically our best performance playing 4231 was probably against Stoke on the opening day. My issue is a few of you have said it's since you went 433 that bojan has struggled because he can't really fit into it. Did Hughes play him as one of the forward 3 or one of the midfield 3? I have a feeling karanka would play him on the left of a forward 3, our wide forwards play more as wide #10 positions rather than wingers, coming inside narrow but I'd still be worried because the general consensus from this thread is he either plays centrally or he doesn't fit in. Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield. Bojan can play in the number 10 position in a 4-2-3-1 or up top in a 4-3-3 as a false 9. Would be a waste to play him out wide. He's never played well there for us. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 24, 2017 20:12:58 GMT
You can still get 20s on Celtic. Watford are 9s. Boro still the favourites at just better than evens.
Stoke 2/1.
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Post by boro on Jan 24, 2017 20:21:07 GMT
When he plays #10 does he get right up alongside the striker or play deeper towards the midfield? I imagine him playing almost as a second striker.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 24, 2017 20:23:35 GMT
When he plays #10 does he get right up alongside the striker or play deeper towards the midfield? I imagine him playing almost as a second striker. He likes to get involved in the game as much as possible so often comes deeper to pick up the ball. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 24, 2017 20:24:12 GMT
Hey I'm a boro fan and read through most of this thread about bojan. Tbh I'm not sure I can see this move happening any more, I think the risk of us going down will be to high for bojan and put him off a move wether he wants to work with karanka or not. But there is an itk guy up here that says it's just down to sorting a fee out. Anyway I was wondering what his actual position is? From what I've read your system and formation has gone a similar direction to ours, a few have mentioned you changed from 4231 to 433 because your midfield was being over ran, well we have done exactly the same. We played 4231 since karanka came but changed to 433 after a few games in the premiership when we just couldn't get a hold of a game because we were weak in midfield. Ironically our best performance playing 4231 was probably against Stoke on the opening day. My issue is a few of you have said it's since you went 433 that bojan has struggled because he can't really fit into it. Did Hughes play him as one of the forward 3 or one of the midfield 3? I have a feeling karanka would play him on the left of a forward 3, our wide forwards play more as wide #10 positions rather than wingers, coming inside narrow but I'd still be worried because the general consensus from this thread is he either plays centrally or he doesn't fit in. Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield. Bojan can play in the number 10 position in a 4-2-3-1 or up top in a 4-3-3 as a false 9. Would be a waste to play him out wide. He's never played well there for us. Yes he needs to play central. He is an inside forward. Re Imbula, yes he was imperious on the opening day. Had a couple of reasonable games but has largely disappointed this season. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 24, 2017 20:30:33 GMT
When he plays #10 does he get right up alongside the striker or play deeper towards the midfield? I imagine him playing almost as a second striker. His best position is behind the striker or "in the hole", whatever you want to call it. Pre-injury he was absolutely immense. He pulled the strings and dictated all our attacking play. He could go past players, he could pick out almost any pass and score great goals. He hasn't been the same since his injury though. Hughes did dabble with him as a "false 9" but behind the front man is undoubtedly his best and most natural position. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 24, 2017 20:31:42 GMT
When he plays #10 does he get right up alongside the striker or play deeper towards the midfield? I imagine him playing almost as a second striker.
He can come incredibly deep looking for the ball but of course can also get right up alongside and beyond the man leading the line.
(As nutter has already said) it's completely and utterly pointless playing him in a wide position.
Disagree that he hasn't been the same since his injury though. He was fantastic for us in games last season against ManU, Man Citeh, Arsenal, Southampton, Everton etc. and Hughes gave him a new FIVE AND HALF year contract six months after he returned from his injury.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 21:16:50 GMT
Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield. The answer is that Stoke fans (on this MB) NEED to hate. It simply has to be someone. Imbula just happens to be the current incumbent of that position. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 24, 2017 21:31:56 GMT
Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield. The answer is that Stoke fans (on this MB) NEED to hate. It simply has to be someone. Imbula just happens to be the current incumbent of that position. Imbula's price tag dictated that he had to be a real superstar for no stick to be directed his way. He then committed the cardinal sin of wearing gloves (even in May!), which did not go down well. The real reason for Imbula being dropped by Hughes and the fans' attitude towards him has been his "run forward, walk back" style of midfield play. He is a playground footballer, with little feeling for team work, operating as part of a unit, or frankly defending much at all. It seems we are drilling him to buy into the work ethic and team ethos needed to succeed, but it could be a long road. There is a great footballer in there - he has the technical and athletic ability. We simply must persevere, as his sale at present would see us taking a huge hit on his 18m fee. |
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Post by boro on Jan 24, 2017 21:47:01 GMT
Imbula sounds a lot like our Adama traore, can do amazing things one minute and look like he hasn't got a clue the next minute. Also has the potential to be a huge talent.
As for bojan if any of you took any notice of Ramirez back in August would you say bojan is a better player than him, as that looks like who he'd be replacing.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 24, 2017 21:56:13 GMT
Imbula sounds a lot like our Adama traore, can do amazing things one minute and look like he hasn't got a clue the next minute. Also has the potential to be a huge talent. As for bojan if any of you took any notice of Ramirez back in August would you say bojan is a better player than him, as that looks like who he'd be replacing. Bojan has the potential to be far better than Ramirez, but he eventually has to make good on that potential - he is no callow youth any more. There is no doubt the knee injury really knocked his confidence and tenacity, really setting him back. Since then we have only seen flashes of his impudent best, that was just coming to the fore before that fateful night in Rochdale. A doubt as to whether he can scale those heights again is at the heart of Hughes' dilemma. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 24, 2017 21:57:07 GMT
To be fair Celtic seems a good move for him Rogers just about the perfect coach and a team that can play with freedom pretty much every week against inferior opposition barring the odd game in Europe
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 24, 2017 21:58:55 GMT
Imbula sounds a lot like our Adama traore, can do amazing things one minute and look like he hasn't got a clue the next minute. Also has the potential to be a huge talent. As for bojan if any of you took any notice of Ramirez back in August would you say bojan is a better player than him, as that looks like who he'd be replacing. As Jezza has said, before he did his ACL at Rochdale a couple of seasons ago, he was flying. Whether it be scoring goals or assisting, he had the lot and was on the verge of being called up by Spain. Since then however he hasn't reached the same heights. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 24, 2017 22:00:14 GMT
Imbula sounds a lot like our Adama traore, can do amazing things one minute and look like he hasn't got a clue the next minute. Also has the potential to be a huge talent. As for bojan if any of you took any notice of Ramirez back in August would you say bojan is a better player than him, as that looks like who he'd be replacing. Bojan's shit.... you don't want him😉 |
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Post by Gifton on Jan 24, 2017 22:00:26 GMT
Imbula sounds a lot like our Adama traore, can do amazing things one minute and look like he hasn't got a clue the next minute. Also has the potential to be a huge talent. As for bojan if any of you took any notice of Ramirez back in August would you say bojan is a better player than him, as that looks like who he'd be replacing. We were reportedly close to signing Traore before he went to Villa. He was linked for a long time so most of us have watched our fair share of YouTube clips from his Barca youth team days. Can you see him fulfilling his potential? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 24, 2017 22:01:20 GMT
When he plays #10 does he get right up alongside the striker or play deeper towards the midfield? I imagine him playing almost as a second striker. Are the fans happy with Karanka after his comments at the weekend? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 22:03:43 GMT
Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield. The answer is that Stoke fans (on this MB) NEED to hate. Â It simply has to be someone. Imbula just happens to be the current incumbent of that position. Proper little drama queen thayt at. Imbula has largely been dogshit since he's been here and he cost a massive 18 million Great British pounds so people are bound to have a negative opinion of him. Stoke fans are no different than any other fans in this country in that respect. |
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 24, 2017 22:12:18 GMT
The thing about Bojan which most Stoke fans won't admit is that he let's games by pass him somewhat, he looks lost on the pitch 95% of the game. Doesn't get stuck in and hovers around the centre circle waiting for the ball. The other 5% of the game he is nothing short of world class...unplayable at times. Just feels he needs to be more consistent. If Shaq and Arnie are on their game then Bojan game improves 10 fold the passing play between the 3 of them is beautiful to watch. You can include Imbula in the trio too. The 4 players are probably a bit too clever for the team and each other somewhat. Just waiting for Imbula to click with them 3 and we need Bojan, Arnie and Shaq to click together more often.
Bojan Allen shaq Arnie and Berahino is a frightening prospect as a forward 5
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jan 24, 2017 22:39:25 GMT
Hey I'm a boro fan and read through most of this thread about bojan. Tbh I'm not sure I can see this move happening any more, I think the risk of us going down will be to high for bojan and put him off a move wether he wants to work with karanka or not. But there is an itk guy up here that says it's just down to sorting a fee out. Anyway I was wondering what his actual position is? From what I've read your system and formation has gone a similar direction to ours, a few have mentioned you changed from 4231 to 433 because your midfield was being over ran, well we have done exactly the same. We played 4231 since karanka came but changed to 433 after a few games in the premiership when we just couldn't get a hold of a game because we were weak in midfield. Ironically our best performance playing 4231 was probably against Stoke on the opening day. My issue is a few of you have said it's since you went 433 that bojan has struggled because he can't really fit into it. Did Hughes play him as one of the forward 3 or one of the midfield 3? I have a feeling karanka would play him on the left of a forward 3, our wide forwards play more as wide #10 positions rather than wingers, coming inside narrow but I'd still be worried because the general consensus from this thread is he either plays centrally or he doesn't fit in. Also how come you guys hate imbula so much?? Our fans were raving about him after our game, looked your best player by far! I'd love a player like that in our midfield. I'm sure none of the fans actually 'hate' Imbula........but there are a LOT who are totally underwhelmed by his performances since he arrived. I personally think there's a VERY good player in there somewhere (I believe he could be the equal of N'Zonzi), and I sincerely hope he can get some game time in the near furture and prove his doubters wrong. |
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