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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 20:51:32 GMT
I'm amazed people are so praising of him. I respect people views even if I do think they're bollocks, and I'll leave it at that, other than I await the big Prem move for him and watch him rip the Prem to bits. I won't convince you, you won't convince me. Bottom line is, a player said to be the best in 30 years splits opinion between fans. Figure that out. Some the idiots amongst our ranks thought fuller was crap. N'zonzi was far too good a player to be universally accepted by stoke fans who generally value running around a lot more than actual football ability. How else do you explain that dean whitehead was probably more popular amongst stoke fans than n'zonzi was?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2016 20:55:02 GMT
That's crap. He was a class above anything even in TPs days (check the stats). He's the best outfield player I've watched in my lifetime easily. He's just carried on that form that he showed for us. Awesome player and the biggest reason imo Hughes has struggled. He needs someone with his calmness on the ball. I just hope we put a sell on in. Now that we can call the transfer team cunts if they didn't! If you want to call current players or employees of SCFC a cunt then set up your own message board. You're not doing it on ours. Is this a new rule? The two Tony's need a lot of apologies from a lot of people.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 30, 2016 20:58:59 GMT
Wow! That's embarrassing to admit that. Best outfield player you've watched in your lifetime! Even with bang average premier league stats to back it up? On that note your honour, I have no further questions. Go on then who's been better? He's the best footballer we've had in the Premier League. Therefore he's the best footballer we've had in 30 years. What's embarrassing is this little caper you're up to as the player you dismissed has moved on and is fast becoming one of the hottest properties in European football. It's pretty amusing! I'm just glad he's doing well and gutted we still haven't got him or anyone close to him. There are a few posters on here who have actually stated that Imbula is a better footballer than the Zonz , apparently he lacks the attitude which is ironic when many have questioned Zonz's on more than one occasion. The fact is we sold our best player way below market value and replaced him with a player who we payed well above market value for, ouch bet that hurt's some on here but that is a fact.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:04:25 GMT
Go on then who's been better? He's the best footballer we've had in the Premier League. Therefore he's the best footballer we've had in 30 years. What's embarrassing is this little caper you're up to as the player you dismissed has moved on and is fast becoming one of the hottest properties in European football. It's pretty amusing! I'm just glad he's doing well and gutted we still haven't got him or anyone close to him. There are a few posters on here who have actually stated that Imbula is a better footballer than the Zonz , apparently he lacks the attitude which is ironic when many have questioned Zonz's on more than one occasion. The fact is we sold our best player way below market value and replaced him with a player who we payed well above market value for, ouch bet that hurt's some on here but that is a fact. If you don't trust my judgement at the time, explain this to me. How can the best outfield player that some have ever seen in their lifetime, leave for 7m to the only bidder? Where the fuck were everyone?
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Post by steinosjockstrap on Dec 30, 2016 21:04:39 GMT
Stats do not tell the whole story. His last season for us, he was simply a cracking player and now he is Sevilla's best player by along way according to their own fans and given how good they are, is no mean feat Why cant some people just acknowledge we had a superb player who has gone to get better? Last season, or last 6 months? I remember not that long before he left that he was splitting fans opinion. A home game I think against sunderland and he found himself in the opposition half and through on goal, and he stopped and turned back! The ground went mad, I certainly did. Him and whelan were the masters of the sideways and backwards pass. After that he did kick on for the last few months and finished string, but best outfield player in last 30 years is a disgraceful comment. I would say we only saw the best of N'Zonzi for the last couple of months. I can remember on countless occasions people would complain about him taking the easy sideways pass option. Do you remember the 0 - 0 at home to Man City? Twice,TWICE he was played through one on one against Hart and turned round to pass back. Seems that some people like to rewrite history on some players. We all knew he had the ability,but didn't really show it until the end. And why do people still pine for a player who agitated for a transfer every summer and made it plain he wouldn't sign a new and improved one?
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 21:10:19 GMT
Probably the only player we have had in recent times (Butland may add to the list) worthy of consideration by the very top clubs. Big question would be if his rather fragile mentality can cope with being a small fish in a big pool. I miss not being able to watch him. Had absolutely zero interest from the top premier league clubs when he was here (or Blackburn) think the slower pace of Spanish football suits him better. Well he was quite graceful here -- he must be a ballet dancer there by now Never realised how much of a hole he left here, but over time you realise what he did for us. Even the management don't know how to fill the gap now, I surely don't. He has raised the bar so high for supporters...
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 30, 2016 21:12:27 GMT
Had absolutely zero interest from the top premier league clubs when he was here (or Blackburn) think the slower pace of Spanish football suits him better. Well he was quite graceful here -- he must be a ballet dancer there by now Never realised how much of a hole he left here, but over time you realise what he did for us. Even the management don't know how to fill the gap now, I surely don't. He has raised the bar so high for supporters... Best stoke player since Alan Hudson by some considerable way .
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:13:23 GMT
Last season, or last 6 months? I remember not that long before he left that he was splitting fans opinion. A home game I think against sunderland and he found himself in the opposition half and through on goal, and he stopped and turned back! The ground went mad, I certainly did. Him and whelan were the masters of the sideways and backwards pass. After that he did kick on for the last few months and finished string, but best outfield player in last 30 years is a disgraceful comment. I would say we only saw the best of N'Zonzi for the last couple of months. I can remember on countless occasions people would complain about him taking the easy sideways pass option. Do you remember the 0 - 0 at home to Man City? Twice,TWICE he was played through one on one against Hart and turned round to pass back. Seems that some people like to rewrite history on some players. We all knew he had the ability,but didn't really show it until the end. And why do people still pine for a player who agitated for a transfer every summer and made it plain he wouldn't sign a new and improved one? At last. Someone who speaks with honesty of what the atmosphere was like when he passed sideways and backwards, instead of blinkered views. I remember the boos ringing out when he was through on goal and actually turned backwards! Never seen that happen ever! There were shouts all around me for Hughes to take him off, and this was around January before he left.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 30, 2016 21:15:30 GMT
100% mate...Presumably Southampton have similar threads where they slag off their own transfer team for only getting 12m from Spurs for Bale. Fair play to Zonz and all that but just because he's far better now...for an entirely different team with far better players says nothing about us or our transfer team whatsoever. It just proves the power the players hold now. All these idiots who complain about the fee we got for a player with fuck all left on his contract because HE refused to extend and had put in 3 separate transfer requests are simply spunk bubbles who know fuck all about how football (or any business for that matter) works He did actually have 12 months left on his contract with us !!!, we jumped the gun and sold as soon as a firm offer was tabled. Even disinterested could he have been any worse than the players bought in to supposedly replace him, Imbula coat 4.5 times more than Zonz he is about an eight of the player if that. Believe me Carpy, not saying our business to replace him has even come close to working merely that this idea we sold him for too little is ridiculous. Can't force a player to extend a contract (and if we'd held onto him we'd have got even less with less on his contract) and if he is going then only way to build up a fee is if a bidding war ensues...facts are that no-one else at all even made a bid. We had 2 choices, sell him and get a fee or hold onto him and end up with nothing. When we bought imbula (and afer his first couple of games) people were lauding him as the next Yaya. Yes, he's been poor/non-existent ever since but you can't criticise letting 1 player go for a certain fee simply because of new players inabilites to step up to his level..they're 2 separate issues. You can definitely criticse Hughes for the players he's brought in that haven't adequately replaced Zonz but that has nothing to do with the fee we got when we sold him.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:16:18 GMT
Well he was quite graceful here -- he must be a ballet dancer there by now Never realised how much of a hole he left here, but over time you realise what he did for us. Even the management don't know how to fill the gap now, I surely don't. He has raised the bar so high for supporters... Best stoke player since Alan Hudson by some considerable way . In that case, care to answer my post above about his transfer and all the clubs we had to fight off?
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 21:16:51 GMT
Go on then who's been better? He's the best footballer we've had in the Premier League. Therefore he's the best footballer we've had in 30 years. What's embarrassing is this little caper you're up to as the player you dismissed has moved on and is fast becoming one of the hottest properties in European football. It's pretty amusing! I'm just glad he's doing well and gutted we still haven't got him or anyone close to him. There are a few posters on here who have actually stated that Imbula is a better footballer than the Zonz , apparently he lacks the attitude which is ironic when many have questioned Zonz's on more than one occasion. The fact is we sold our best player way below market value and replaced him with a player who we payed well above market value for, ouch bet that hurt's some on here but that is a fact. you are right, but why gloat about it? Everyone is pissed off Zonz is not here anymore, even the ones who rubbished him. I think equally we all want Imbula to succeed at Stoke. Hughes tries to sign "special" talents, some work out, some don't. Its better than the DNA bollocks we had before.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2016 21:17:13 GMT
I would say we only saw the best of N'Zonzi for the last couple of months. I can remember on countless occasions people would complain about him taking the easy sideways pass option. Do you remember the 0 - 0 at home to Man City? Twice,TWICE he was played through one on one against Hart and turned round to pass back. Seems that some people like to rewrite history on some players. We all knew he had the ability,but didn't really show it until the end. And why do people still pine for a player who agitated for a transfer every summer and made it plain he wouldn't sign a new and improved one? At last. Someone who speaks with honesty of what the atmosphere was like when he passed sideways and backwards, instead of blinkered views. I remember the boos ringing out when he was through on goal and actually turned backwards! Never seen that happen ever! There were shouts all around me for Hughes to take him off, and this was around January before he left. Ah Stoke fans.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 21:17:49 GMT
There are a few posters on here who have actually stated that Imbula is a better footballer than the Zonz , apparently he lacks the attitude which is ironic when many have questioned Zonz's on more than one occasion. The fact is we sold our best player way below market value and replaced him with a player who we payed well above market value for, ouch bet that hurt's some on here but that is a fact. If you don't trust my judgement at the time, explain this to me. How can the best outfield player that some have ever seen in their lifetime, leave for 7m to the only bidder? Where the fuck were everyone? We were never going to get his true value as he was in the final year of his contract. Stoke city wanted him and offered him a huge pay hike to stay. Leicester city wanted him and offered the same 7m that we eventually sold him for. Sevilla, two years in a row Europa league winners wanted him and he signed for them on less money than he was on at stoke and way less than he would have been getting at stoke or Leicester courtesy of a new contract. If he goes on to secure a move to one of Europe's best clubs, good luck to the lad. He moved on for the right reasons and has clearly improved still further.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 21:20:47 GMT
Last season, or last 6 months? I remember not that long before he left that he was splitting fans opinion. A home game I think against sunderland and he found himself in the opposition half and through on goal, and he stopped and turned back! The ground went mad, I certainly did. Him and whelan were the masters of the sideways and backwards pass. After that he did kick on for the last few months and finished string, but best outfield player in last 30 years is a disgraceful comment. I would say we only saw the best of N'Zonzi for the last couple of months. I can remember on countless occasions people would complain about him taking the easy sideways pass option. Do you remember the 0 - 0 at home to Man City? Twice,TWICE he was played through one on one against Hart and turned round to pass back. Seems that some people like to rewrite history on some players. We all knew he had the ability,but didn't really show it until the end. And why do people still pine for a player who agitated for a transfer every summer and made it plain he wouldn't sign a new and improved one? He actually only ever put in requests to leave in one season...his two transfer requests both came during pulis's reign as manager. Under Hughes, reports of a third request to leave were untrue. He simply wouldn't sign a new, extended contract.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 21:21:02 GMT
Well he was quite graceful here -- he must be a ballet dancer there by now Never realised how much of a hole he left here, but over time you realise what he did for us. Even the management don't know how to fill the gap now, I surely don't. He has raised the bar so high for supporters... Best stoke player since Alan Hudson by some considerable way . He had it all, killer passes, tackles - RED MIST in the Europa League. Ledge..BUt Short lived legend that will be a blip in a few years time I hope Benj, We are Stoke and will recruit an even better player
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:26:39 GMT
If you don't trust my judgement at the time, explain this to me. How can the best outfield player that some have ever seen in their lifetime, leave for 7m to the only bidder? Where the fuck were everyone? We were never going to get his true value as he was in the final year of his contract. Stoke city wanted him and offered him a huge pay hike to stay. Leicester city wanted him and offered the same 7m that we eventually sold him for. Sevilla, two years in a row Europa league winners wanted him and he signed for them on less money than he was on at stoke and way less than he would have been getting at stoke or Leicester courtesy of a new contract. If he goes on to secure a move to one of Europe's best clubs, good luck to the lad. He moved on for the right reasons and has clearly improved still further. But what I'm saying is, can someone make sense of the fact that if he was the greatest player in 30 years, and as bayern said, was scouted by man city before he left us (they chose Fabian stealth instead) why wasn't he wanted by the rest of the premier league, in fact the whole of Europe for 7m. According to some it's like zidane being available and no one entering the bidding. Just wouldn't happen. Other clubs must have watched him, as bayern said, but must have seen, or not seen, something worth splashing a division 2 player fee, 7m, on.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 21:30:40 GMT
We were never going to get his true value as he was in the final year of his contract. Stoke city wanted him and offered him a huge pay hike to stay. Leicester city wanted him and offered the same 7m that we eventually sold him for. Sevilla, two years in a row Europa league winners wanted him and he signed for them on less money than he was on at stoke and way less than he would have been getting at stoke or Leicester courtesy of a new contract. If he goes on to secure a move to one of Europe's best clubs, good luck to the lad. He moved on for the right reasons and has clearly improved still further. But what I'm saying is, can someone make sense of the fact that if he was the greatest player in 30 years, and as bayern said, was scouted by man city before he left us (they chose Fabian stealth instead) why wasn't he wanted by the rest of the premier league, in fact the whole of Europe for 7m. According to some it's like zidane being available and no one entering the bidding. Just wouldn't happen. Other clubs must have watched him, as bayern said, but must have seen, or not seen, something worth splashing a division 2 player fee, 7m, on. Leicester, Sevilla and stoke city wanted him. One was a champions league team and twice in succession europa league winner, one a well established premier league club striving for top 6 and cup glory and the other went on to become premier league champions. Hardly no-one wanting him is it?
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Post by Davef on Dec 30, 2016 21:32:25 GMT
I would say we only saw the best of N'Zonzi for the last couple of months. I can remember on countless occasions people would complain about him taking the easy sideways pass option. Do you remember the 0 - 0 at home to Man City? Twice,TWICE he was played through one on one against Hart and turned round to pass back. Seems that some people like to rewrite history on some players. We all knew he had the ability,but didn't really show it until the end. And why do people still pine for a player who agitated for a transfer every summer and made it plain he wouldn't sign a new and improved one? He actually only ever put in requests to leave in one season...his two transfer requests both came during pulis's reign as manager. Under Hughes, reports of a third request to leave were untrue. He simply wouldn't sign a new, extended contract. That's not true Dave. He signed at the beginning of Pulis's last season so one of Hughes's first jobs was to convince him to stay. He then put in another request at the end of Hughes's first season and left at the end of his second season.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:35:56 GMT
But what I'm saying is, can someone make sense of the fact that if he was the greatest player in 30 years, and as bayern said, was scouted by man city before he left us (they chose Fabian stealth instead) why wasn't he wanted by the rest of the premier league, in fact the whole of Europe for 7m. According to some it's like zidane being available and no one entering the bidding. Just wouldn't happen. Other clubs must have watched him, as bayern said, but must have seen, or not seen, something worth splashing a division 2 player fee, 7m, on. Leicester, Sevilla and stoke city wanted him. One was a champions league team and twice in succession europa league winner, one a well established premier league club striving for top 6 and cup glory and the other went on to become premier league champions. Hardly no-one wanting him is it? Still doesn't answer the quality he was supposed to be. According to some it's like bale being available for 7m, yet man Utd, citeh, Chelsea, barca, arsenal, Liverpool etc not even making a bid. It wouldn't happen if he's been scouted and was the best ever.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 30, 2016 21:37:01 GMT
There are a few posters on here who have actually stated that Imbula is a better footballer than the Zonz , apparently he lacks the attitude which is ironic when many have questioned Zonz's on more than one occasion. The fact is we sold our best player way below market value and replaced him with a player who we payed well above market value for, ouch bet that hurt's some on here but that is a fact. If you don't trust my judgement at the time, explain this to me. How can the best outfield player that some have ever seen in their lifetime, leave for 7m to the only bidder? Where the fuck were everyone? Best outfield midfielder to play for Stoke since Alan Hudson no doubt , Huddy for me was a more skilful player would he have fitted into the PL certainly, Zonz however made us tick no way should we have sold him for £7 million, we should have held him to his contract not bottled out at £7 million to either suitors. Best Pulis signing in the PL just in front of Huth both sold for a combined fee of £10 million Mark, how much so far has it cost our club attempting to replace the pair of them ? you do the maths and think about what value for money aspect let alone the footballing aspect.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 21:37:13 GMT
He actually only ever put in requests to leave in one season...his two transfer requests both came during pulis's reign as manager. Under Hughes, reports of a third request to leave were untrue. He simply wouldn't sign a new, extended contract. That's not true Dave. He signed at the beginning of Pulis's last season so one of Hughes's first jobs was to convince him to stay. He then put in another request at the end of Hughes's first season and left at the end of his second season. The 2nd one never actually existed. Hughes said he would speak to n'zonzi when he returned for pre season amid rumours of another request. He then said there was nothing to discuss as n'zonzi had assured him he was happy at the club. He requested to leave twice during pulis's spell. Once in January the again in the summer before Hughes arrived.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 21:38:35 GMT
We were never going to get his true value as he was in the final year of his contract. Stoke city wanted him and offered him a huge pay hike to stay. Leicester city wanted him and offered the same 7m that we eventually sold him for. Sevilla, two years in a row Europa league winners wanted him and he signed for them on less money than he was on at stoke and way less than he would have been getting at stoke or Leicester courtesy of a new contract. If he goes on to secure a move to one of Europe's best clubs, good luck to the lad. He moved on for the right reasons and has clearly improved still further. But what I'm saying is, can someone make sense of the fact that if he was the greatest player in 30 years, and as bayern said, was scouted by man city before he left us (they chose Fabian stealth instead) why wasn't he wanted by the rest of the premier league, in fact the whole of Europe for 7m. According to some it's like zidane being available and no one entering the bidding. Just wouldn't happen. Other clubs must have watched him, as bayern said, but must have seen, or not seen, something worth splashing a division 2 player fee, 7m, on. Think we got Arnie, Butland and Bojan for 500,000 less than 7 million pounds. Not sure how you rate those players
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:38:54 GMT
He actually only ever put in requests to leave in one season...his two transfer requests both came during pulis's reign as manager. Under Hughes, reports of a third request to leave were untrue. He simply wouldn't sign a new, extended contract. That's not true Dave. He signed at the beginning of Pulis's last season so one of Hughes's first jobs was to convince him to stay. He then put in another request at the end of Hughes's first season and left at the end of his second season. And for that reason alone Dave, never mind my views on him as a player, he can do one for as far as I'm concerned. Kavanagh got pelters for less.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 21:41:54 GMT
That's not true Dave. He signed at the beginning of Pulis's last season so one of Hughes's first jobs was to convince him to stay. He then put in another request at the end of Hughes's first season and left at the end of his second season. And for that reason alone Dave, never mind my views on him as a player, he can do one for as far as I'm concerned. Kavanagh got pelters for less. Case closed! the you reason you and others didn't like him or rate him is because you were blinded by transfer requests, one of which never existed.
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Post by Davef on Dec 30, 2016 21:42:21 GMT
That's not true Dave. He signed at the beginning of Pulis's last season so one of Hughes's first jobs was to convince him to stay. He then put in another request at the end of Hughes's first season and left at the end of his second season. The 2nd one never actually existed. Hughes said he would speak to n'zonzi when he returned for pre season amid rumours of another request. He then said there was nothing to discuss as n'zonzi had assured him he was happy at the club. He requested to leave twice during pulis's spell. Once in January the again in the summer before Hughes arrived. Well if that's the case then he handed in a transfer request four months into a four year contract and another one less than twelve months into it. To be honest I never knew about the one in January (assuming you're not bullshitting ). I just know that there were press reports of his transfer requests in the summers of 2013 and 2014.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 21:44:06 GMT
The 2nd one never actually existed. Hughes said he would speak to n'zonzi when he returned for pre season amid rumours of another request. He then said there was nothing to discuss as n'zonzi had assured him he was happy at the club. He requested to leave twice during pulis's spell. Once in January the again in the summer before Hughes arrived. Well if that's the case then he handed in a transfer request four months into a four year contract and another one less than twelve months into it. To be honest I never knew about the one in January (assuming you're not bullshitting . I just know that their were press reports of his transfer requests in the summers of 2013 and 2014. As a quality midfield player, playing under pulis, I'm surprised he didn't put in 12 transfer requests in the first 12 months of his time with us. It must have been soul destroying for the lad.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:44:18 GMT
But what I'm saying is, can someone make sense of the fact that if he was the greatest player in 30 years, and as bayern said, was scouted by man city before he left us (they chose Fabian stealth instead) why wasn't he wanted by the rest of the premier league, in fact the whole of Europe for 7m. According to some it's like zidane being available and no one entering the bidding. Just wouldn't happen. Other clubs must have watched him, as bayern said, but must have seen, or not seen, something worth splashing a division 2 player fee, 7m, on. Think we got Arnie, Butland and Bojan for 500,000 less than 7 million pounds. Not sure how you rate those players No, you've lost me?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 30, 2016 21:50:04 GMT
But what I'm saying is, can someone make sense of the fact that if he was the greatest player in 30 years, and as bayern said, was scouted by man city before he left us (they chose Fabian stealth instead) why wasn't he wanted by the rest of the premier league, in fact the whole of Europe for 7m. According to some it's like zidane being available and no one entering the bidding. Just wouldn't happen. Other clubs must have watched him, as bayern said, but must have seen, or not seen, something worth splashing a division 2 player fee, 7m, on. Leicester, Sevilla and stoke city wanted him. One was a champions league team and twice in succession europa league winner, one a well established premier league club striving for top 6 and cup glory and the other went on to become premier league champions. Hardly no-one wanting him is it? 1) using the fact stoke wanted him is a bit daft isn't it or could we start a bidding war with ourselves...when he'd publicly said he didn't want to be here. 2) it was common knowledge at the time (and shitloads of threads on here) that Leicester's "bid" for N'Zonzi was an agreement to help us start a bidding war after we sold them Huth (and the fact thwy were champions 12 months later is irrelevant, at the time they were odds on to go down or do you think they wanted him to help mount their title challenge?) Only 1 club (Sevilla) made a proper bid...even if you include Leicester, they dropped out the minute they heard the wages he wanted. You know the point he's making (and it's a valid one) but nice attempt to try to avoid answering it Great player for us but he didn't want to be here and was very public about that. Therefore you can only get a decent wedge if more than 1 club seriously go after him...that never happened. He's done well elsewhere and fair play to him, he's at a better team and that's brougt out the best in him. Even if he'd stayed here he wouldn't be playing as well as he is now as 1) he has better personnel around him and 2) he's happy! Don't see why some can't just bloody well move on, it's quite apparent that he has
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:50:38 GMT
And for that reason alone Dave, never mind my views on him as a player, he can do one for as far as I'm concerned. Kavanagh got pelters for less. Case closed! the you reason you and others didn't like him or rate him is because you were blinded by transfer requests, one of which never existed. Case re-opened. Read my post again. I said for that reason alone he can do one. My views as a player are still there, but for that reason alone, no bugger should like him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2016 21:52:21 GMT
Case closed! the you reason you and others didn't like him or rate him is because you were blinded by transfer requests, one of which never existed. Case re-opened. Read my post again. I said for that reason alone he can do one. My views as a player are still there, but for that reason alone, no bugger should like him.
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