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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:53:17 GMT
Leicester, Sevilla and stoke city wanted him. One was a champions league team and twice in succession europa league winner, one a well established premier league club striving for top 6 and cup glory and the other went on to become premier league champions. Hardly no-one wanting him is it? 1) using the fact stoke wanted him is a bit daft isn't it or could we start a bidding war with ohrselves...when he'd publicly said he didn't want to be here. 2) it was common knowledge at the time (and shitloads of threads on here) that Leicester's "bid" for N'Zonzi was an agreement to help us start a bidding war after we sold them Huth (and the fact thwy were champions 12 months later is irrelevant, at the time they were odds on to go down or do you think they wanted him to help mount their title challenge?) Only 1 club (Sevilla) made a proper bid...even if you include Leicester, they dropped out the minute they heard the wages he wanted. You know the point he's making (and it's a valid one) but nice attempt to try to avoid answering it It would be thrown out in court mate. The defence won't answer it.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 21:55:27 GMT
Think we got Arnie, Butland and Bojan for 500,000 less than 7 million pounds. Not sure how you rate those players No, you've lost me? We purchased 3 players for less than 7 million (your stated value to purchase (1) division 2 player) No big deal m8, just did some quick math
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 21:59:26 GMT
We purchased 3 players for less than 7 million (your stated value to purchase (1) division 2 player) No big deal m8, just did some quick math My only point is there was hardly any interest in one of the best players in the world for just 7m.
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Post by Davef on Dec 30, 2016 22:05:39 GMT
Leicester, Sevilla and stoke city wanted him. One was a champions league team and twice in succession europa league winner, one a well established premier league club striving for top 6 and cup glory and the other went on to become premier league champions. Hardly no-one wanting him is it? 1) using the fact stoke wanted him is a bit daft isn't it or could we start a bidding war with ourselves...when he'd publicly said he didn't want to be here. 2) it was common knowledge at the time (and shitloads of threads on here) that Leicester's "bid" for N'Zonzi was an agreement to help us start a bidding war after we sold them Huth (and the fact thwy were champions 12 months later is irrelevant, at the time they were odds on to go down or do you think they wanted him to help mount their title challenge?) Only 1 club (Sevilla) made a proper bid...even if you include Leicester, they dropped out the minute they heard the wages he wanted. You know the point he's making (and it's a valid one) but nice attempt to try to avoid answering it Great player for us but he didn't want to be here and was very public about that. Therefore you can only get a decent wedge if more than 1 club seriously go after him...that never happened. He's done well elsewhere and fair play to him, he's at a better team and that's brougt out the best in him. Even if he'd stayed here he wouldn't be playing as well as he is now as 1) he has better personnel around him and 2) he's happy! Don't see why some can't just bloody well move on, it's quite apparent that he has What's abundantly clear is that N'zonzi was never truly committed to a long term future at Stoke and you've got to be a bit dim to criticise anyone for failing to get him on an extended contract.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 22:15:20 GMT
We purchased 3 players for less than 7 million (your stated value to purchase (1) division 2 player) No big deal m8, just did some quick math My only point is there was hardly any interest in one of the best players in the world for just 7m. Who has said he's one of the best players in the world. Being our best midfield player in 30 years isn't too difficult when you've got the likes of David rowson, Phil Robinson, David Oldfield, Steve Foley, micky gynn and dean whitehead as competition.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 22:16:31 GMT
1) using the fact stoke wanted him is a bit daft isn't it or could we start a bidding war with ourselves...when he'd publicly said he didn't want to be here. 2) it was common knowledge at the time (and shitloads of threads on here) that Leicester's "bid" for N'Zonzi was an agreement to help us start a bidding war after we sold them Huth (and the fact thwy were champions 12 months later is irrelevant, at the time they were odds on to go down or do you think they wanted him to help mount their title challenge?) Only 1 club (Sevilla) made a proper bid...even if you include Leicester, they dropped out the minute they heard the wages he wanted. You know the point he's making (and it's a valid one) but nice attempt to try to avoid answering it Great player for us but he didn't want to be here and was very public about that. Therefore you can only get a decent wedge if more than 1 club seriously go after him...that never happened. He's done well elsewhere and fair play to him, he's at a better team and that's brougt out the best in him. Even if he'd stayed here he wouldn't be playing as well as he is now as 1) he has better personnel around him and 2) he's happy! Don't see why some can't just bloody well move on, it's quite apparent that he has What's abundantly clear is that N'zonzi was never truly committed to a long term future at Stoke and you've got to be a bit dim to criticise anyone for failing to get him on an extended contract. I think as a footballer he wanted to remember his days playing against Messi and Ronaldo etc. He took less money to realise that dream and how could anyone blame him for that. I bet he looks fondly back at his time at Stoke, his best memories from England for sure. We made him realise his full potential, and I am proud of City for doing that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2016 22:19:03 GMT
My only point is there was hardly any interest in one of the best players in the world for just 7m. Who has said he's one of the best players in the world. Being our best midfield player in 30 years isn't too difficult when you've got the likes of David rowson, Phil Robinson, David Oldfield, Steve Foley, micky gynn and dean whitehead as competition. Very true. But he's certainly getting the plaudits now and is seen as one of the best in La Liga and Europe. And tbh that's what I thought he was. A joyous player to watch glide around the pitch. It just shows the snobbery that exists in football though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 22:20:18 GMT
My only point is there was hardly any interest in one of the best players in the world for just 7m. Who has said he's one of the best players in the world. Being our best midfield player in 30 years isn't too difficult when you've got the likes of David rowson, Phil Robinson, David Oldfield, Steve Foley, micky gynn and dean whitehead as competition. C'mon Dave Micky Gynn was ace...........
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Post by sportsman on Dec 30, 2016 22:22:32 GMT
My only point is there was hardly any interest in one of the best players in the world for just 7m. Who has said he's one of the best players in the world. Being our best midfield player in 30 years isn't too difficult when you've got the likes of David rowson, Phil Robinson, David Oldfield, Steve Foley, micky gynn and dean whitehead as competition. Well if you putting him against them names I don't think I need add any more to my case.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 30, 2016 22:33:38 GMT
In to a bigger marde arse ?
Do I get a prize for the right answer
For those of a delicate disposition I am finding hard to break the news here goes He's gone - disparu - Ido - weg
He was only unplayable the last six months whilst he exercised his cunning escape plan
For all the posters complained the fee was to low we should kept him well he didn't want to be here
He didn't give fuck about Stoke It's time to not give a flying fuck what he does
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 22:41:11 GMT
Who has said he's one of the best players in the world. Being our best midfield player in 30 years isn't too difficult when you've got the likes of David rowson, Phil Robinson, David Oldfield, Steve Foley, micky gynn and dean whitehead as competition. Well if you putting him against them names I don't think I need add any more to my case. It's snobbery like Bayern said. MCFC almost NEED to pay 30 million to Sevilla for Zonz to keep face with the media and their luxurious rich image. Buying some no mark for 7 million from Stoke doesn't have that "je ne sais quoi"
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 22:42:36 GMT
In to a bigger marde arse ? Do I get a prize for the right answer For those of a delicate disposition I am finding hard to break the news here goes He's gone - disparu - Ido - weg He was only unplayable the last six months whilst he exercised his cunning escape plan For all the posters complained the fee was to low we should kept him well he didn't want to be here He didn't give fuck about Stoke It's time to not give a flying fuck what he does Be nice waga!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2016 23:25:06 GMT
Who has said he's one of the best players in the world. Being our best midfield player in 30 years isn't too difficult when you've got the likes of David rowson, Phil Robinson, David Oldfield, Steve Foley, micky gynn and dean whitehead as competition. Very true. But he's certainly getting the plaudits now and is seen as one of the best in La Liga and Europe. And tbh that's what I thought he was. A joyous player to watch glide around the pitch. It just shows the snobbery that exists in football though. I never saw him as anything other than a fantastic footballer, one of only a handful of players we've had who wouldn't look out of place at any top club.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 31, 2016 3:47:32 GMT
Bang average? Behave. You can provide all the stats you like mate, but you'll never convince me that N'Zonzi isn't head and shoulders above anyone we've had in the Stoke midfield in the last 30 odd years. It's just a shame he didn't want a future at the club because that last season with us, he was absolutely immense. We've never really fully recovered since he left, and that's not really a knock against Hughes. Replacing that kind of talent at a club like Stoke is no easy task. What a load of bollocks. Even his biggest fans have admitted it was only the twelve months, I say last 6 months, and if you're using that to say the best outfield player in 30 years you're off your head and want sectioning. I didn't say he was the best outfield player we've had in 30 years. I said he was head and shoulders above anyone we've had in our midfield during that time. Youre quite entitled to call that a load of bollocks, but I would be interested to know who you think has been better?
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 31, 2016 3:56:05 GMT
My old man thought he was the business. As did I. I respect my father's views on City
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Post by bertiestan on Dec 31, 2016 4:25:21 GMT
Absolute class act
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Dec 31, 2016 8:12:04 GMT
Admittedly, a class act on his day....but also, VERY childish and appeared not to give a f*ck at times.....a walking red card on occasions..... And MOST OF ALL, someone who DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOR US I'm afraid it was a case of "good riddance" as far as I was concerned
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 31, 2016 8:21:21 GMT
Criminal we only got £8m for him.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 31, 2016 8:43:45 GMT
Admittedly, a class act on his day....but also, VERY childish and appeared not to give a f*ck at times.....a walking red card on occasions..... And MOST OF ALL, someone who DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOR US I'm afraid it was a case of "good riddance" as far as I was concerned I've read some shit on here but this is the biggest pile of shite I've read for some time.
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2016 8:44:56 GMT
I always said Nzonzi was a class act and it's no coincidence that our over all level of play (irrespective of results or league standings) has plummeted since he left
Class act who can make it in any team in the world
an up-grade on Busquets, that's how good he is
And then we had so many on this board who know fuck all about football who used to moan about him week in week out
Absolutely incredible
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 31, 2016 9:07:27 GMT
Criminal we only got £8m for him. We got 8m because of nzonzi he couldn't give two fucks for Stoke For example if he cared a jot about Stoke he'd of singed a years extension with a release clause of say 12 mill Bingo he gets his move we 4 mill more People should realise the modern footballer is no better than a prostitute selling their selves for cash and not caring about who the client is
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 31, 2016 10:20:38 GMT
Admittedly, a class act on his day....but also, VERY childish and appeared not to give a f*ck at times.....a walking red card on occasions..... And MOST OF ALL, someone who DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOR US I'm afraid it was a case of "good riddance" as far as I was concerned And now we have Imbula, I know which one I would prefer.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Dec 31, 2016 12:36:00 GMT
Admittedly, a class act on his day....but also, VERY childish and appeared not to give a f*ck at times.....a walking red card on occasions..... And MOST OF ALL, someone who DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOR US I'm afraid it was a case of "good riddance" as far as I was concerned And now we have Imbula, I know which one I would prefer. I'd prefer the one THAT WANTS TO PLAY FOR US And......IF he's given a fair chance, Imbula's class will show though, too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 12:50:51 GMT
Criminal we only got £8m for him. We got 8m because of nzonzi he couldn't give two fucks for Stoke For example if he cared a jot about Stoke he'd of singed a years extension with a release clause of say 12 mill Bingo he gets his move we 4 mill more People should realise the modern footballer is no better than a prostitute selling their selves for cash and not caring about who the client is I don't get this. Why is he 'no better than a prostitute'? He's no different to anyone else who wants to move to a better job, whether that be for more money, better location, or conditions. Why would he allow himself to place restrictions on that move going through? By increasing the sell on clause to £12m he wouldn't have been able to move at all. If I could move to a better job I would, and I really wouldn't give a fig about the company I was leaving.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 12:54:07 GMT
Admittedly, a class act on his day....but also, VERY childish and appeared not to give a f*ck at times.....a walking red card on occasions..... And MOST OF ALL, someone who DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOR US I'm afraid it was a case of "good riddance" as far as I was concerned And now we have Imbula, I know which one I would prefer. Don't be vague. Tell us. I'm not sure I've heard your views on this.
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Post by stokecitydom on Dec 31, 2016 13:28:20 GMT
I would say we only saw the best of N'Zonzi for the last couple of months. I can remember on countless occasions people would complain about him taking the easy sideways pass option. Do you remember the 0 - 0 at home to Man City? Twice,TWICE he was played through one on one against Hart and turned round to pass back. Seems that some people like to rewrite history on some players. We all knew he had the ability,but didn't really show it until the end. And why do people still pine for a player who agitated for a transfer every summer and made it plain he wouldn't sign a new and improved one? At last. Someone who speaks with honesty of what the atmosphere was like when he passed sideways and backwards, instead of blinkered views. I remember the boos ringing out when he was through on goal and actually turned backwards! Never seen that happen ever! There were shouts all around me for Hughes to take him off, and this was around January before he left. For everyone one person booing or wanting N'Zonzi substituted, there was probably 9 or 10 people thinking that these people were clueless about football. Yes N'Zonzi did play safe sometimes, but he was quite clearly an outstanding footballer who was going to go onto bigger and better things. He's a fantastic player who has flourished playing with better players.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 31, 2016 13:43:28 GMT
We got 8m because of nzonzi he couldn't give two fucks for Stoke For example if he cared a jot about Stoke he'd of singed a years extension with a release clause of say 12 mill Bingo he gets his move we 4 mill more People should realise the modern footballer is no better than a prostitute selling their selves for cash and not caring about who the client is I don't get this. Why is he 'no better than a prostitute'? He's no different to anyone else who wants to move to a better job, whether that be for more money, better location, or conditions. Why would he allow himself to place restrictions on that move going through? By increasing the sell on clause to £12m he wouldn't have been able to move at all. If I could move to a better job I would, and I really wouldn't give a fig about the company I was leaving. If he wouldn't have got his move for 12 million then that shows what the rest of the football world thought of him at the time All I Am saying is he's gone he doesn't give a fuck. About Stoke why should we give a fuck where he is what he is doing We got the best price we could for a sulking marde arse
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 14:02:22 GMT
I don't get this. Why is he 'no better than a prostitute'? He's no different to anyone else who wants to move to a better job, whether that be for more money, better location, or conditions. Why would he allow himself to place restrictions on that move going through? By increasing the sell on clause to £12m he wouldn't have been able to move at all. If I could move to a better job I would, and I really wouldn't give a fig about the company I was leaving. If he wouldn't have got his move for 12 million then that shows what the rest of the football world thought of him at the time All I Am saying is he's gone he doesn't give a fuck. About Stoke why should we give a fuck where he is what he is doing We got the best price we could for a sulking marde arse I agree. I just didn't get why his actions in leaving made him any different to anyone else who wants something else in life. No one deliberately imposes needless barriers on themselves. Why should he?
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Post by Old School Stokie on Dec 31, 2016 14:19:26 GMT
Does he play for now? Are we after signing in January window. Are we likely to re-sign him.
The answers ......
No
And the point of this post is?
Happy new year
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 31, 2016 14:29:12 GMT
And now we have Imbula, I know which one I would prefer. I'd prefer the one THAT WANTS TO PLAY FOR US And......IF he's given a fair chance, Imbula's class will show though, too IF he's given a fair chance by the man who signed him !!!
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