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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 19, 2016 21:22:48 GMT
Beat Hull and WBA (entirely possible) and how many will be calling for Hughes' head then? Very few, but are going beat hull and WBA playing like we have been doing ? Not a chance. Something needs to change.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Sept 19, 2016 21:35:04 GMT
I've been happy with Hughes and don't want him sacked. I'm frustrated as hell and pissed off though. He seems like a good fit for us and vice versa. However even the most optimistic supporter can surely see that this isn't just a slow start but something much deeper and it has reminded me of our 1st season at the Brit. Players not taking responsibility, no passion, no leadership and no bollocks.
To my mind and what I've seen, it looks as though the players have downed tools and stuck 2 fingers up to the bloke. That's appalling and unforgivable in my book because this is a club that has invested in the squad, pays decent wages and is well run (usually players do this when none of the above is prevalent). It looks like a decent bloke is going to get the sack because of a bunch of precious fannies have decided that they aren't going to try . Yesterday the players should have rallied, rolled their sleeves up and shown Hughes that they were with him - what I saw was the complete opposite - bastards!!
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 19, 2016 22:02:54 GMT
It's a statement in the form of. We've spent a truck load of money to get the team we've assembled and I'm not prepared to fire Hughes after a utterly wank start. So sort it out.
The realistic scenario to me is we smash Hull in the cup and we get a win vs West Brom. We get off the bottom and panic stations are on hold
Another very realistic situation is we lose against Hull and WBA at home is very much a game with heaps of pressure on Hughes and lose that by a similar margin to previous results and I just can't see how he can stay any longer.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2016 22:12:04 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 22:14:50 GMT
I've been happy with Hughes and don't want him sacked. I'm frustrated as hell and pissed off though. He seems like a good fit for us and vice versa. However even the most optimistic supporter can surely see that this isn't just a slow start but something much deeper and it has reminded me of our 1st season at the Brit. Players not taking responsibility, no passion, no leadership and no bollocks. To my mind and what I've seen, it looks as though the players have downed tools and stuck 2 fingers up to the bloke. That's appalling and unforgivable in my book because this is a club that has invested in the squad, pays decent wages and is well run (usually players do this when none of the above is prevalent). It looks like a decent bloke is going to get the sack because of a bunch of precious fannies have decided that they aren't going to try . Yesterday the players should have rallied, rolled their sleeves up and shown Hughes that they were with him - what I saw was the complete opposite - bastards!! This decent bloke unfortunately signed the expensive mercenaries who will ultimately decide his future, it is his fault sorry that is life he has fucked up an established PL team he has to carry the can and I am pretty sure he will sooner than later.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Sept 19, 2016 22:20:03 GMT
The dreaded Vote of confidence? If this was seen/heard in the Australian political arena......you'd know for a fact that he'd be GONE within the week!!!! I still hope he gets the chance to turn things around....but I don't know how much longer I'd give him
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Sept 19, 2016 22:23:27 GMT
I've been happy with Hughes and don't want him sacked. I'm frustrated as hell and pissed off though. He seems like a good fit for us and vice versa. However even the most optimistic supporter can surely see that this isn't just a slow start but something much deeper and it has reminded me of our 1st season at the Brit. Players not taking responsibility, no passion, no leadership and no bollocks. To my mind and what I've seen, it looks as though the players have downed tools and stuck 2 fingers up to the bloke. That's appalling and unforgivable in my book because this is a club that has invested in the squad, pays decent wages and is well run (usually players do this when none of the above is prevalent). It looks like a decent bloke is going to get the sack because of a bunch of precious fannies have decided that they aren't going to try . Yesterday the players should have rallied, rolled their sleeves up and shown Hughes that they were with him - what I saw was the complete opposite - bastards!! This decent bloke unfortunately signed the expensive mercenaries who will ultimately decide his future, it is his fault sorry that is life he has fucked up an established PL team he has to carry the can and I am pretty sure he will sooner than later. It's shit though don't you think? How often do we see a team play like they've never seen a football until the manager gets the boot only to magnificently turn on the ultimate skills show for the new boss the following week. It's player power at its finest and ugliest
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:25:16 GMT
Made up bollocks is that to be fair....
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Post by Ygor on Sept 19, 2016 22:31:14 GMT
This decent bloke unfortunately signed the expensive mercenaries who will ultimately decide his future, it is his fault sorry that is life he has fucked up an established PL team he has to carry the can and I am pretty sure he will sooner than later. It's shit though don't you think? How often do we see a team play like they've never seen a football until the manager gets the boot only to magnificently turn on the ultimate skills show for the new boss the following week. It's player power at its finest and ugliest You know, sometimes I don't know why we care because we ain't paid enough TO care. Indeed we pay through the nose to care. Now them players, and managers and even the PL referees are paid enough to care. But still we get shit decisions by refs, demonstrations of player power, and decent men being fired as a result.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 19, 2016 22:31:33 GMT
True or not these comments are bang on and make a lot of sense. I do question Hughes's ability to coach. He's an ecxcellent frontman and seller of the club but I'm not convinced with him as a tactician. Perhaps the best option would be to keep Hughes and bring someone in to do the coaching side of things. A little like Don Howe at Arsenal. “It’s about more than running harder or making more tackles. Many of the players who have come into the club have played for top managers and want to be coached. “There is also a feeling that the board don’t really know whether Hughes is doing a good job or not because they don’t have the technical expertise. “Some of them think Hughes makes changes for the sake of it. They can’t see the rational behind his team line-ups. “There are a lot of quality players in the dressing room. They’re trying too many different things because they don’t have a clear idea of what the manager really wants.”
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 19, 2016 22:35:46 GMT
I've been happy with Hughes and don't want him sacked. I'm frustrated as hell and pissed off though. He seems like a good fit for us and vice versa. However even the most optimistic supporter can surely see that this isn't just a slow start but something much deeper and it has reminded me of our 1st season at the Brit. Players not taking responsibility, no passion, no leadership and no bollocks. To my mind and what I've seen, it looks as though the players have downed tools and stuck 2 fingers up to the bloke. That's appalling and unforgivable in my book because this is a club that has invested in the squad, pays decent wages and is well run (usually players do this when none of the above is prevalent). It looks like a decent bloke is going to get the sack because of a bunch of precious fannies have decided that they aren't going to try . Yesterday the players should have rallied, rolled their sleeves up and shown Hughes that they were with him - what I saw was the complete opposite - bastards!! If that is the case I'd rather think that me in the stands, as a supporter, didn't do the same. May we live in interesting times, that's entertainment etc.
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Post by djduncanjames on Sept 19, 2016 22:41:30 GMT
I was just having a coffee at Erasurebots café in Stafford, and sat in the corner was Tony Scholes and Roberto Mancini... Any sign of the lawnmower salesmen? They are Deffo ITK
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 19, 2016 22:44:31 GMT
I was just having a coffee at Erasurebots café in Stafford, and sat in the corner was Tony Scholes and Roberto Mancini... Any sign of the lawnmower salesmen? They are Deffo ITK Predicted the football on the deck, but not the rubber pitch. That was always a non starter mucka.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Sept 19, 2016 22:45:36 GMT
I've been happy with Hughes and don't want him sacked. I'm frustrated as hell and pissed off though. He seems like a good fit for us and vice versa. However even the most optimistic supporter can surely see that this isn't just a slow start but something much deeper and it has reminded me of our 1st season at the Brit. Players not taking responsibility, no passion, no leadership and no bollocks. To my mind and what I've seen, it looks as though the players have downed tools and stuck 2 fingers up to the bloke. That's appalling and unforgivable in my book because this is a club that has invested in the squad, pays decent wages and is well run (usually players do this when none of the above is prevalent). It looks like a decent bloke is going to get the sack because of a bunch of precious fannies have decided that they aren't going to try . Yesterday the players should have rallied, rolled their sleeves up and shown Hughes that they were with him - what I saw was the complete opposite - bastards!! If that is the case I'd rather think that me in the stands, as a supporter, didn't do the same. May we live in interesting times, that's entertainment etc. Would be great if this was a galvanising situation rather than a divisive one. The fans can stay strong behind the manager and team but the team need to stay strong for each other
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Post by Sfance on Sept 19, 2016 22:48:22 GMT
Why do people get exercised about "loyalty to Mark Hughes?" It's exactly the same as when Pulis needed to go. I don't get the concept of loyalty to a manager. The loyalty is to the club.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 19, 2016 22:48:37 GMT
If that is the case I'd rather think that me in the stands, as a supporter, didn't do the same. May we live in interesting times, that's entertainment etc. Would be great if this was a galvanising situation rather than a divisive one. The fans can stay strong behind the manager and team but the team need to stay strong for each other If we smash Hull the emotional release will be palpable. ;-》
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 19, 2016 22:53:45 GMT
Why do people get exercised about "loyalty to Mark Hughes?" It's exactly the same as when Pulis needed to go. I don't get the concept of loyalty to a manager. The loyalty is to the club. You're Americanised obviously. I agree to an extent but I'd do owt (in terms of ScFC) to avoid too much turmoil. Backing the man is what we've got. And the man is backing Hughes. Good enough for me for now.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 20, 2016 8:24:11 GMT
Surely the defining time for the board to make a move is dependant on the points gap between ourselves and 17th spot.
I wouldn't let it go beyond 7 or 8 pts to be honest
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 20, 2016 14:00:03 GMT
True or not these comments are bang on and make a lot of sense. I do question Hughes's ability to coach. He's an ecxcellent frontman and seller of the club but I'm not convinced with him as a tactician. Perhaps the best option would be to keep Hughes and bring someone in to do the coaching side of things. A little like Don Howe at Arsenal. “It’s about more than running harder or making more tackles. Many of the players who have come into the club have played for top managers and want to be coached. “There is also a feeling that the board don’t really know whether Hughes is doing a good job or not because they don’t have the technical expertise. “Some of them think Hughes makes changes for the sake of it. They can’t see the rational behind his team line-ups. “There are a lot of quality players in the dressing room. They’re trying too many different things because they don’t have a clear idea of what the manager really wants.” So if they are not true, then how can they be bang on? I'd rather make up my own alternate reality than believe some no mark journo who probably knows nothing about Stoke and works for a rag known for muck raking with no facts to back up their crap. Do you really believe that our Board don't know if a manager is doing a good job or not?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2016 14:11:47 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. "
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 20, 2016 14:32:07 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. " What could he have said to fill any of us with more. confidence? He cannot guarantee anything.
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Post by mrred on Sept 20, 2016 14:36:20 GMT
Absolutely 0 point in taking quotes from that shit heap. Proved several times in the past to make it up as they go along, aswell as "quoting" people.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2016 14:40:43 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. " What could he have said to fill any of us with more. confidence? He cannot guarantee anything. i agree there's no guarantee mate absolutely correct but his words last week were" I expect the players to be fired up in the dressing room" before the Palace game,which now sounds pathetic considering their performance.I want to hear more passion and anger and how they're going to put it right
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Post by wuzza on Sept 20, 2016 14:42:40 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. " I would suggest to Mr Bowen that If you go 2 down the dynamic damn well should change. You should step up a gear and show the quality you are supposed to have! I was at a rugby league game last Friday where my team were 14 points up and the opposition then had a player sent off. What did the bastards do? They rolled up their sleeves got stuck in, ran rings round my lot in the last 20 mins of the game, and won. A bit more strength of character required - a bit more leadership!!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2016 14:43:55 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. " The management are making just as many mistakes as the players, he is part of the management FFS.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2016 14:44:39 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. " I would suggest to Mr Bowen that If you go 2 down the dynamic damn well should change. You should step up a gear and show the quality you are supposed to have! I was at a rugby league game last Friday where my team were 14 points up and the opposition then had a player sent off. What did the bastards do? They rolled up their sleeves got stuck in, ran rings round my lot in the last 20 mins of the game, and won. A bit more strength of character required - a bit more leadership!! Spot on wuzza and what a game that was by the way.Thd Wigan fight back will live long in the memory
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2016 14:45:54 GMT
Bowen's presser doesn't fill me with confidence " We had a good weeks training last week, within 9 minutes, 2 mistakes and the dynamic changes, things are not going for us. " "Things aren't going for us at the moment. We still know we are a decent side, we have had 3 top ten finishes. We will get through it" "At the moment we are making too many individual errors and are getting punished for it. " The management are making just as many mistakes as the players, he is part of the management FFS. I don't see how anyone can argue with that mate
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Post by wuzza on Sept 20, 2016 14:50:17 GMT
I would suggest to Mr Bowen that If you go 2 down the dynamic damn well should change. You should step up a gear and show the quality you are supposed to have! I was at a rugby league game last Friday where my team were 14 points up and the opposition then had a player sent off. What did the bastards do? They rolled up their sleeves got stuck in, ran rings round my lot in the last 20 mins of the game, and won. A bit more strength of character required - a bit more leadership!! Spot on wuzza and what a game that was by the way.Thd Wigan fight back will live long in the memory Well it certainly set the tone for my sporting weekend! ( to be fair to Wigan - which is not something that comes naturally - they did really well )
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2016 14:52:52 GMT
Spot on wuzza and what a game that was by the way.Thd Wigan fight back will live long in the memory Well it certainly set the tone for my sporting weekend! ( to be fair to Wigan - which is not something that comes naturally - they did really well ) Was you at Wembley the other week as well mate?Hanging on to leads is not Warringtons strong point(sorry)Will they do it against Hull this weekend?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 20, 2016 14:59:40 GMT
Well it certainly set the tone for my sporting weekend! ( to be fair to Wigan - which is not something that comes naturally - they did really well ) Was you at Wembley the other week as well mate?Hanging on to leads is not Warringtons strong point(sorry)Will they do it against Hull this weekend? I was - again typical stuff. We used to be a poor club that tried hard but never quite got there and then we became a rich club that gets to the brink and then blows it. I dread to say it with all that's going on at Stoke but ....we need a new Coach. We've got more injuries following the Wigan game so I'm afraid Hull FC is probably a write off - shall be watching that from the comfort of a local hostelry though!
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