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Post by stokemark on Sept 19, 2016 15:09:05 GMT
'Knicker wetting' oh how original I always love the cries for 'support' - Easy said than done when you don't actually go to the games and instead have to pay your own hard earn money to watch the shit served up like I did yesterday 'The loss of Butland and Affellay' - Well clearly someone can and should be blamed for the failure to bring into the club even a half decent second choice goalkeeper and perhaps a couple of defenders too given the shit show we now have (of course that may not be all MH's fault if the money wasn't made available) This hangover has lasted long enough - 20 plus games since we kept a clean sheet, 6 games in 11 conceded 4 or more and the longer it goes on (or is allowed to go on by the Chairman) the more we sink into the mire. The situation doesn't appear to be anyone's 'fault' not the players, the manager, the CEO or Chairman - Its seems that its mystifying when the reality is they are all culpable. I've probably been to more Stoke matches and spent more hard-earned cash in my lifetime than you've had hot dinners or earned I will tell you now that unless you are over 50 your definitely haven't been to more matches and you definitely haven't spent more cash than I have earned ! Did you go to Palace ? Nah thought not - all talk
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Post by thevoid on Sept 19, 2016 15:13:54 GMT
Good managers don't suddenly become bad managers. Either MH was never a good manager who had three years of good fortune, or he is a good manager who has hit a rocky patch, I think it's the latter. Too decide his future on the result in the West Brom game is nonsense, although I think he will win it anyway. The Titanic was a good ship right up to the point where it hit the iceberg. He was a good manager and could be again but right now at Stoke he has lost it and he doesn't even know what it was. If he stays we will carry on getting hammered,the sooner he is gone the better. Sorry I wanted him to succeed and backed him until Sunday but enough is enough. I wonder if Geoff's also a fan of Potteries-born cruise-liner captains?
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Post by fca47 on Sept 19, 2016 15:40:37 GMT
I would be surprised if feelers aren't going out to potential candidates, but I think they genuinely will give him a few more games, but if we lose to Hull and WBA, I can't see that MH can ride it out, with the support turning against him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 19, 2016 15:54:35 GMT
Might be an interesting listen
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 15:57:11 GMT
I've probably been to more Stoke matches and spent more hard-earned cash in my lifetime than you've had hot dinners or earned I will tell you now that unless you are over 50 your definitely haven't been to more matches and you definitely haven't spent more cash than I have earned ! Did you go to Palace ? Nah thought not - all talk I am well over 50 years old and flight tickets from Oslo to Manchester are not cheap so guess you are wrong.
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 19, 2016 16:03:25 GMT
Why are so many of our fans constantly saying 'it is only five ganes'?
It bloody well isn't! It's almost the entirety of 2016 that we have been like this, except it's got steadily worse.
If we'd had a brilliant finish to last season then I'd agree, 5 games is not enough to make a decision, but it's not and I don't care that we finished 9th, we have a long, long run of atrocious performances that are getting worse, not better, with every game.
He should have gone Sunday night. Now we are going to waste at least one more league game with this crap. Anyone who thinks we will beat West Brazil is deluded. In recent years we haven't beaten them when we've playing well. Pulis is going to larrup our collective arses with great relish next week, and can you blame him?
As a great fan of Sparky and with the greatest regret I have ever mustered up for a football manager - we need rid of Hughes *today*.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 19, 2016 16:03:40 GMT
Every team apart from Spurs, citeh, Utd, Liverpool and arsenal are at risk from relegation every season and most of the rest have had their flirtations with it.
We are on a poor start but have had similar starts and have ended up staying mid table comfortably.
Turning on the manager and team now is not how we are going to climb the table.
Yes we are all disappointed at our start but unless we start supporting the team and the manager when in a rut we will never climb out.
The one thing pulis said always rings true. Dont get too down when you lose or too high when we win.
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2016 16:09:48 GMT
Every team apart from Spurs, citeh, Utd, Liverpool and arsenal are at risk from relegation every season and most of the rest have had their flirtations with it. We are on a poor start but have had similar starts and have ended up staying mid table comfortably. Turning on the manager and team now is not how we are going to climb the table. Yes we are all disappointed at our start but unless we start supporting the team and the manager when in a rut we will never climb out. The one thing pulis said always rings true. Dont get too down when you lose or too high when we win. Beat WBA and we will be 4 points from the first 6 games, last season we were 3 points from the first 6. So all is not lost. Of course most worrying is that this is the continuation of dismal form from last season. It's still nothing a couple of victories won't fix, but where the heck they are coming from I don't know. Guess we just have to stick in there and keep pitching and hope something gives before its too late.
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Post by trigger on Sept 19, 2016 16:11:01 GMT
I can't see how Hughes can survive, the football is awful, pointless, naive, tedious whatever you want to call it's just pathetic.
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Post by mf37 on Sept 19, 2016 16:12:38 GMT
Last 15 Games DLWDLLLDLWDLLLL
I can only hope the full Coates quote was followed by a "for now"
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 19, 2016 16:33:00 GMT
It seems to me an the majority that if he loses on Saturday he's fucked it, for me he should of gone on Sunday anyway but we'll see what happens.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 19, 2016 16:37:15 GMT
Another thumping home defeat and he's gone. But since WBA are probably the least likely to do it he'll hang on. Should be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 18:54:14 GMT
The dreaded Vote of confidence? Or just giving their full backing to someone they think has done and will do a good job? I truly hope so, and I would be saddened if it were otherwise. Frustrating as the last few weeks have been, we have to give support and get behind the team, I am not seeking to make any judgement, simply observing that it has the ring of the VOC about it. Let's hope otherswise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 19:10:25 GMT
It seems to me an the majority that if he loses on Saturday he's fucked it, for me he should of gone on Sunday anyway but we'll see what happens. You mean a majority of Oatcake posters?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 19:14:55 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
You can bet your 365 life on it
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Post by jeycov on Sept 19, 2016 19:21:52 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
You can bet your 365 life on it "Things will change" could refer to personnel of course! Looking at the next few games, I think that MH will be given until end October and if things improve he will stay (if he wants to)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 19:29:33 GMT
You can bet your 365 life on it "Things will change" could refer to personnel of course! Looking at the next few games, I think that MH will be given until end October and if things improve he will stay (if he wants to) There is no doubt Hughes has earned the right to survive a bad run but there is too much investment to let bad results continue beyond a certain point. I think the end of October sounds about right. If things don't improve he will go. I'm rooting for the bloke to pull us out of the mire but he's got a hell of a long way to go to turn around the team I watched last Sunday.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 19, 2016 19:33:49 GMT
I hope we turn things around. But how? I thought there would be a reaction on Sunday and couldn't believe the humping we got. Palace were on a different planet to us in terms of pace and physicality in all areas.
It really was humiliating. Has any manager ever survived in this league with a record like Hughes has had since march?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 19, 2016 19:39:56 GMT
When is it right to consider he has turned it around? 40 points, no way that could be next spring. So has he sorted it out when we get 10, 15 ,20 points on the board? A certain number of points AND a better display from the lads? What's the going rate for 'turning it around?'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 19:41:50 GMT
When is it right to consider he has turned it around? 40 points, no way that could be next spring. So has he sorted it out when we get 10, 15 ,20 points on the board? A certain number of points AND a better display from the lads? What's the going rate for 'turning it around?' For some on here, we could finish 6th, and they still wouldn't let up.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 19:55:31 GMT
It seems to me an the majority that if he loses on Saturday he's fucked it, for me he should of gone on Sunday anyway but we'll see what happens. For the majority who can actually see we have been shit for longer than the last five games , for me I would have been happy if he had been moved out at the end of last season.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 19:58:36 GMT
When is it right to consider he has turned it around? 40 points, no way that could be next spring. So has he sorted it out when we get 10, 15 ,20 points on the board? A certain number of points AND a better display from the lads? What's the going rate for 'turning it around?' For some on here, we could finish 6th, and they still wouldn't let up. For sure. We have been punching well above our weight for many seasons so were overdue a serious blip. I am not sure what some supporters expect.
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Post by RAF on Sept 19, 2016 20:00:15 GMT
It seems to me an the majority that if he loses on Saturday he's fucked it, for me he should of gone on Sunday anyway but we'll see what happens. For the majority who can actually see we have been shit for longer than the last five games ;) , for me I would have been happy if he had been moved out at the end of last season. I'm surprised you haven't just asked your mate Peter to sack him on the spot, especially after the special relationship you have with him? H
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Post by samba :) on Sept 19, 2016 20:00:56 GMT
He either means it
Or he doesn't
So yeah errmmm its a matter of guessing and opinions i suppose
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 20:04:22 GMT
For some on here, we could finish 6th, and they still wouldn't let up. For sure. We have been punching well above our weight for many seasons so were overdue a serious blip. I am not sure what some supporters expect. Passion, fight and commitment would be a hell of a start from the players and Mark and his team.
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Post by march4 on Sept 19, 2016 20:07:27 GMT
The dreaded 'vote of confidence'.
There is only one way this is going to end. Might as well do it sooner rather than delay.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 19, 2016 20:41:15 GMT
Beat Hull and WBA (entirely possible) and how many will be calling for Hughes' head then?
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Post by Sfance on Sept 19, 2016 20:46:23 GMT
If there was a scrap of evidence that Hughes knows what to do, I could see him staying a while longer, but there is no such evidence - against a mountain of evidence that he doesn't have a clue. You can say "9th for three seasons in a row" all you want. Judged against what he's put out there for most games stretching back to the latter half of last season, it's meaningless. He should be let go before it's too late. Chairmen who wait and wait, desperately hoping for a turn-around before they replace their managers, generally find themselves in the second division the next season.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 19, 2016 20:50:52 GMT
Beat Hull and WBA (entirely possible) and how many will be calling for Hughes' head then? march4, ryan4england to get the ball rolling
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2016 20:59:18 GMT
It seems to me an the majority that if he loses on Saturday he's fucked it, for me he should of gone on Sunday anyway but we'll see what happens. You mean a majority of Oatcake posters? He means the majority of continually whingeing Oatcake Posters that wanted Hughes out at every point of the last 3 years. It amazes me the number of people who say "I am a big supporter of MH, but he needs to go now". How on earth is that being a supporter?
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