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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 19, 2016 12:51:27 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
Always thought so. PC is old school and 'honourable' so will stand by his man in the very short term at least.
Don't forget either, he and the whole board (as far as we know) were unaminously over the moon to get him, so absolutely none of them want him to fail as it blots their 'astute appointment' copybook very considerably.
Suspect the timetable behind the scenes is more immediate and frenetic though, with various "soundings" being considered if not underway already. I keep hearing December , there is no way this form can carry on until then we need 20 points by mid December , after that we have a very tough run of fixtures and then lose Bony and Diouf for January . I could not believe how bad they were on Saturday anything close to that v WBA and his time is up with the new man in for the Sunderland game |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 19, 2016 12:53:05 GMT
They usually say that Before they kick them. Next WBA with Stokes defence and their setpieces could only end one way in that case WBA are 9 Points ahead of us. A new manager must be appointed Before the game to give the players and fans some hope. Exactly, otherwise the new gaffer's first job is Man Utd away. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 12:55:39 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
Always thought so. PC is old school and 'honourable' so will stand by his man in the very short term at least.
Don't forget either, he and the whole board (as far as we know) were unaminously over the moon to get him, so absolutely none of them want him to fail as it blots their 'astute appointment' copybook very considerably.
Suspect the timetable behind the scenes is more immediate and frenetic though, with various "soundings" being considered if not underway already.
At this very moment I think 'December' is (in real terms) absolutely light years away mate.
Nobody can predict now, that he'll ultimately be given until then. What if we lose the next six games on the bounce? Then unquestionably, he won't even make it out of October, an absolute fact.
I know it stating the bleeding obvious but it is going to be all about results.
I think if we lose on Wednesday and go down heavily to the Baggies, then 'forever' could actually be as soon as next Monday, it's strange how we then have a two week break before the Old Trafford game, would there really be any point in waiting a fortnight and then sending him there to try and save his job?
If the fixtures had fallen differently and we had (say) Burnley or somebody similar at home the following week, then he might get another game but the way the fixture list has fallen, I don't think he can afford to lose these next two games.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 19, 2016 12:59:08 GMT
Think jezzascfc has it right Paul. December - ish, with enough time to run the rule over the bodies ahead of January.
Always thought so. PC is old school and 'honourable' so will stand by his man in the very short term at least.
Don't forget either, he and the whole board (as far as we know) were unaminously over the moon to get him, so absolutely none of them want him to fail as it blots their 'astute appointment' copybook very considerably.
Suspect the timetable behind the scenes is more immediate and frenetic though, with various "soundings" being considered if not underway already.
At this very moment I think 'December' is (in real terms) absolutely light years away mate.
Nobody can predict now, that he'll ultimately be given until then. What if we lose the next six games on the bounce? Then unquestionably, he won't even make it out of October, an absolute fact.
I know it stating the bleeding obvious but it is going to be all about results.
I think if we lose on Wednesday and go down heavily to the Baggies, then 'forever' could actually be as soon as next Monday, it's strange how we then have a two week break before the Old Trafford game, would there really be any point in waiting a fortnight and then sending him there to try and save his job?
If the fixtures and fallen differently and we had (say) Burnley or somebody similar at home the following week, then he might get another game but the way the fixture list has fallen, I don't think he can afford to lose these next two games.
The break is after the Shite Paul its before the Sunderland game which is looking like our biggest game of the season , who would have thought that , two weeks for a new bloke to run those who are not on international duty into the ground for a week to make up for the fitness training they currently lack instead of letting them go on holiday |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 19, 2016 13:00:37 GMT
This is good news. I dread the day we become a club that doesn't give a manager time to turn things around. Sacking a manager mid season smacks of desperation and shows the owners do not have belief in their own appointments. Sunderland |
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 19, 2016 13:01:47 GMT
Think jezzascfc has it right Paul. December - ish, with enough time to run the rule over the bodies ahead of January.
Always thought so. PC is old school and 'honourable' so will stand by his man in the very short term at least.
Don't forget either, he and the whole board (as far as we know) were unaminously over the moon to get him, so absolutely none of them want him to fail as it blots their 'astute appointment' copybook very considerably.
Suspect the timetable behind the scenes is more immediate and frenetic though, with various "soundings" being considered if not underway already.
At this very moment I think 'December' is (in real terms) absolutely light years away mate.
Nobody can predict now, that he'll ultimately be given until then. What if we lose the next six games on the bounce? Then unquestionably, he won't even make it out of October, an absolute fact.
I know it stating the bleeding obvious but it is going to be all about results.
I think if we lose on Wednesday and go down heavily to the Baggies, then 'forever' could actually be as soon as next Monday, it's strange how we then have a two week break before the Old Trafford game, would there really be any point in waiting a fortnight and then sending him there to try and save his job?
If the fixtures had fallen differently and we had (say) Burnley or somebody similar at home the following week, then he might get another game but the way the fixture list has fallen, I don't think he can afford to lose these next two games.
And within that, I guess I'm implicitly factoring in my what looks to be possibly unfounded optimism that he can halt the slide within that timescale.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 13:02:24 GMT
At this very moment I think 'December' is (in real terms) absolutely light years away mate.
Nobody can predict now, that he'll ultimately be given until then. What if we lose the next six games on the bounce? Then unquestionably, he won't even make it out of October, an absolute fact.
I know it stating the bleeding obvious but it is going to be all about results.
I think if we lose on Wednesday and go down heavily to the Baggies, then 'forever' could actually be as soon as next Monday, it's strange how we then have a two week break before the Old Trafford game, would there really be any point in waiting a fortnight and then sending him there to try and save his job?
If the fixtures and fallen differently and we had (say) Burnley or somebody similar at home the following week, then he might get another game but the way the fixture list has fallen, I don't think he can afford to lose these next two games.
The break is after the Shite Paul its before the Sunderland game which is looking like our biggest game of the season , who would have thought that , two weeks for a new bloke to run those who are not on international duty into the ground for a week to make up for the fitness training they currently lack instead of letting them go on holiday
Yes you're right mate.
But obviously the point is still virtually the same.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Sept 19, 2016 13:03:21 GMT
I fucking hate the term "notoriously slow starters".
So its passed ok that we are absolute dogshite for a month despite fans paying hard earned money to go and watch us be shit for a little bit?.
Surely we should at least try and kick off the season all guns blazing instead of being "notoriously slow"?.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 19, 2016 13:05:14 GMT
He cant for me yesterday was the point of no return , if he can turn it around full respect to him but that didn't look like a group that was playing for the manager or capable of winning in this league anytime soon
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 19, 2016 13:06:39 GMT
I fucking hate the term "notoriously slow starters". So its passed ok that we are absolute dogshite for a month despite fans paying hard earned money to go and watch us be shit for a little bit?. Surely we should at least try and kick off the season all guns blazing instead of being "notoriously slow"?. Bit like Pep and Klopp eh or Ranieri last year , a slow start is always the way to go !!!!!!!! it's BS for saying our pre season work is lousy and half arsed |
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 19, 2016 13:11:00 GMT
He's unlikely to get rid of "the management team" unless or until he's got somebody else lined up.
I'd be amazed if he sacked Hughes and put Bowen in temporary charge. That was the kind of thing Coates did with the likes of Sammy Chung and Chic Bates, but those days are long gone.
My guess is that the club are already researching, possibly sounding-out, a replacement in the event of a couple more disastrous results.
Then, if things pick up they'll leave well alone; or if the sky falls in they'll act by bringing in their chosen replacement after doing their prep on the quiet.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Sept 19, 2016 13:11:35 GMT
I fucking hate the term "notoriously slow starters". So its passed ok that we are absolute dogshite for a month despite fans paying hard earned money to go and watch us be shit for a little bit?. Surely we should at least try and kick off the season all guns blazing instead of being "notoriously slow"?. Bit like Pep and Klopp eh or Ranieri last year , a slow start is always the way to go !!!!!!!! it's BS for saying our pre season work is lousy and half arsed Don't agree with that at all. Anybody who watched the Hamburg game would have seen that we were no where near ready for the start of the season. The worrying thing is that we look worse prepared this season than any of the previous 3. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 19, 2016 13:12:18 GMT
Alternative 'well we are buggered if we can find a decent replacement at the moment'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 13:14:44 GMT
I was just having a coffee at Erasurebots café in Stafford, and sat in the corner was Tony Scholes and Roberto Mancini...
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Post by charlesjefferson on Sept 19, 2016 13:18:13 GMT
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.  |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 19, 2016 13:20:54 GMT
I was just having a coffee at Erasurebots café in Stafford, and sat in the corner was Tony Scholes and Roberto Mancini... Funny that as I was doing some shopping in Lidl in Longton and fuck me there was Elvis buying some Granola. It was definitely him I tell ya make no mistake, I reckon he's going to do a come back gig at the 365 Arena. Gouranga.  |
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 13:21:39 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by.
He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report.
MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for.
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Post by Northy on Sept 19, 2016 13:23:27 GMT
I fucking hate the term "notoriously slow starters". So its passed ok that we are absolute dogshite for a month despite fans paying hard earned money to go and watch us be shit for a little bit?. Surely we should at least try and kick off the season all guns blazing instead of being "notoriously slow"?. perhaps people should write to Tony Scholes and ask that next season the season tickets should reduce in price and start in October, maybe that will focus them a bit ? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 19, 2016 13:23:32 GMT
At this very moment I think 'December' is (in real terms) absolutely light years away mate.
Nobody can predict now, that he'll ultimately be given until then. What if we lose the next six games on the bounce? Then unquestionably, he won't even make it out of October, an absolute fact.
I know it stating the bleeding obvious but it is going to be all about results.
I think if we lose on Wednesday and go down heavily to the Baggies, then 'forever' could actually be as soon as next Monday, it's strange how we then have a two week break before the Old Trafford game, would there really be any point in waiting a fortnight and then sending him there to try and save his job?
If the fixtures had fallen differently and we had (say) Burnley or somebody similar at home the following week, then he might get another game but the way the fixture list has fallen, I don't think he can afford to lose these next two games.
And within that, I guess I'm implicitly factoring in my what looks to be possibly unfounded optimism that he can halt the slide within that timescale.
Agreed - I did say December unless we carried on getting thumped. I think that there may be a general sounding out of candidates ready to come in if either (i) we continue to lose heavily whilst playing shambolic football these next two weeks, leaving the chairman with little choice but to take action, or (ii) we limp along picking up a few points but stay in the bottom three until December, then a change will be considered ahead of the next transfer window. Surely WBA and Sunderland are games where we must show a significant improvement for Hughes to be given more time to sort out this sorry mess. If not, his position, in classic football parlance, may become "untenable." |
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Post by mark71 on Sept 19, 2016 13:27:09 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
I think he's got until the end of October, We've got WBA, The shit then 3 winnable games in Hull, Sunderland and Swansea. Anything less than 2 wins and a draw from those 5 and Hughes will be gone. Heavy defeats against WBA and the shit and his time will shorten considerably. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 13:34:49 GMT
There seems to be a lot of passion, anger and genuinely upset Stoke City fans at the moment so can we, you know, for one game at least, give the team some sort of support and atmosphere on Saturday instead of feeling sorry for ourselves and sitting on our hands being ridiculed by the opposition supporters? We as a group of "supporters" have turned into a rate soggy bunch of wet lettuce. Are the support taking their lead from the manager and his players, turn up go through the motions then fuck off home. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2016 13:41:35 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 19, 2016 13:42:28 GMT
Uncle Peter is probably lining up a new manager whom he has praised in the past, has proven experience of managing international class players, speaks several languages, believes in attacking football like Leslie and most important of all, in the finest tradition of Stoke, has that vital link to Icelandic football folklore..................
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 13:45:37 GMT
There seems to be a lot of passion, anger and genuinely upset Stoke City fans at the moment so can we, you know, for one game at least, give the team some sort of support and atmosphere on Saturday instead of feeling sorry for ourselves and sitting on our hands being ridiculed by the opposition supporters? We as a group of "supporters" have turned into a rate soggy bunch of wet lettuce. Are the support taking their lead from the manager and his players, turn up go through the motions then fuck off home. Who would you appoint Crapslinger? |
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Post by Davef on Sept 19, 2016 13:46:25 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by. He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report. MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for. I was of this opinion last week and said that Peter Coates is a fair man who'll give his manager every chance to turn things around, but I think even he will have been shocked by yesterday's capitulation. There's no doubt that injuries have played a big part in our downturn in form, especially the absence of Jack Butland, but we can't keep losing by four goals. You can just about accept getting dicked by Manchester City and Tottenham (though Sunderland have played both teams away from away and competed reasonably well against them), but when you're losing so heavily to a team whose form has been almost as bad as ours has this year then the alarm bells will be ringing. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2016 13:47:48 GMT
I don't seen how anyone who has observed Coates mk 1 or 2 can conclude anything other than he is loyal to his managers. More 4 goal hammerings can take it out of his hands but it will more than likely be Christmas time befoe the gun is anywhere near cocked.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 13:51:52 GMT
Are the support taking their lead from the manager and his players, turn up go through the motions then fuck off home. Who would you appoint Crapslinger? Steve Bould cut his teeth at Arsenal used to dealing with petulant mard arse injury prone prima donnas, who would you appoint ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:00:10 GMT
There's a great deal of difference between what some, quite a few, on here want, and what Peter Coates wants. He will want to see that Hughes is doing things fundamentally wrong or has truly lost the complete dressing room, before he will act. He will want to see how Stoke does when BUtland and SHaq gets back, if we're still struggling with England's best keeper in goal. He may even back Hughes with more money in the next transfer window. Only then if we're still not doing the business, will there be some sort of action from the Coates office.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 19, 2016 14:04:24 GMT
I think that's fairly clear Hughes will be given plenty of time to put things right.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 19, 2016 14:05:36 GMT
There's a great deal of difference between what some, quite a few, on here want, and what Peter Coates wants. He will want to see that Hughes is doing things fundamentally wrong or has truly lost the complete dressing room, before he will act. He will want to see how Stoke does when BUtland and SHaq gets back, if we're still struggling with England's best keeper in goal. He may even back Hughes with more money in the next transfer window. Only then if we're still not doing the business, will there be some sort of action from the Coates office. Do you honestly think Uncle Peter is going to hand his own money to Leslie to waste it yet again! So far, Leslie has only wasted Rupert Murdoch's money so I think you're suggesting a material difference here and not one to Denise's liking! Also, waiting until end February to see if proposed new signings have worked is too late! It's like Capt Smith waiting till the sea was up to the funnels before sticking his thumb in the hole! |
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