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Post by stokemark on Sept 19, 2016 14:07:59 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by. He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report. MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for. 'Knicker wetting' oh how original I always love the cries for 'support' - Easy said than done when you don't actually go to the games and instead have to pay your own hard earn money to watch the shit served up like I did yesterday 'The loss of Butland and Affellay' - Well clearly someone can and should be blamed for the failure to bring into the club even a half decent second choice goalkeeper and perhaps a couple of defenders too given the shit show we now have (of course that may not be all MH's fault if the money wasn't made available) This hangover has lasted long enough - 20 plus games since we kept a clean sheet, 6 games in 11 conceded 4 or more and the longer it goes on (or is allowed to go on by the Chairman) the more we sink into the mire. The situation doesn't appear to be anyone's 'fault' not the players, the manager, the CEO or Chairman - Its seems that its mystifying when the reality is they are all culpable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:13:38 GMT
I'm sorry, the present situation smacks of Alan Ball or Brian Little. No discipline, unfit and a complete shambles defensively.
He should have gone Sunday night. This is not just this seasons performances it's been going on for months. He's made too many cock ups for me. He's very lucky IMO.
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 19, 2016 14:14:55 GMT
I can't say I'm surprised Coates has backed him, for now. But I'm disappointed. He's clearly not capable of turning this around this time, it's much bigger, the results much worse and the reasons for them deeper. The poor run isn't this season alone, it's been 6 months including a window.
Hopefully we'll beat West Brom, if not he won't survive the fans backlash from that.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2016 14:18:14 GMT
Unless we carry on shipping goals at 4 per game, Hughes will be given until December at the earliest to try to turn things around. If not, a new man can be given a few weeks to assess the squad ahead of the January window. My feelings exactly.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:21:31 GMT
Must say I'm surprised the chairman has backed Hughes but I still believe defeat at home to the baggies will see him gone.What we must not do is not allow time for a new manager coming in to turn the situation(number of games) around.
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 19, 2016 14:22:59 GMT
Good managers don't suddenly become bad managers. Either MH was never a good manager who had three years of good fortune, or he is a good manager who has hit a rocky patch, I think it's the latter. Too decide his future on the result in the West Brom game is nonsense, although I think he will win it anyway.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 19, 2016 14:23:01 GMT
They usually say that Before they kick them. Next WBA with Stokes defence and their setpieces could only end one way in that case WBA are 9 Points ahead of us. A new manager must be appointed Before the game to give the players and fans some hope. Nonsense
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:24:52 GMT
Who would you appoint Crapslinger? Steve Bould cut his teeth at Arsenal used to dealing with petulant mard arse injury prone prima donnas, who would you appoint ? Do you think he'd come? Do we want a complete management rookie? Arsenal have hardly been rock solid at the back since he has been coach even with the riches at his disposal. Who would I want? I would give Hughes five or six games to get a couple of wins under his belt. He has earned that after the three 9th places of the past few years. Beyond that, I would be looking at Roy Hodgson or Steve Bruce, which are two other reasons why MH should be given more time.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:24:53 GMT
PC will be meeting TP on Saturday.......nudge nudge wink wink!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:27:31 GMT
Steve Bould cut his teeth at Arsenal used to dealing with petulant mard arse injury prone prima donnas, who would you appoint ? Do you think he'd come? Do we want a complete management rookie? Arsenal have hardly been rock solid at the back since he has been coach even with the riches at his disposal. Who would I want? I would give Hughes five or six games to get a couple of wins under his belt. He has earned that after the three 9th places of the past few years. Beyond that, I would be looking at Roy Hodgson or Steve Bruce, which are two other reasons why MH should be given more time. 5 or 6 less games though for a new manager to turn it round,very risky strategy
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 19, 2016 14:29:01 GMT
Good managers don't suddenly become bad managers. Either MH was never a good manager who had three years of good fortune, or he is a good manager who has hit a rocky patch, I think it's the latter. Too judge him on the result in the West Brom game is nonsense, although I think he will win it anyway. No one is judging him on the WBA game though are they Very calm rationale people who really rate him are now asking questions. For the umpteenth time it is 2016 not just the last few games However what I witnessed on Sunday plundered new depths and I don't care what anyone says, against Palace he had lost the players and the plot
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:31:33 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
I think he's got until the end of October, We've got WBA, The shit then 3 winnable games in Hull, Sunderland and Swansea. Anything less than 2 wins and a draw from those 5 and Hughes will be gone. Heavy defeats against WBA and the shit and his time will shorten considerably. So you'd take 2 losses...OK...man Utd is almost a given, but the other 4 we simply must not lose...Way too early to start saying 6 pointers, but out of the other 4 at least 2 will be in the mix come April/May, and we have to be clear of that particular dogfight. For me the next 5 should yield 3 wins 1 draw and 1 defeat, and a defeat where we actually give them a game and not roll over...
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Sept 19, 2016 14:32:42 GMT
The Management team will have their full support until we play west brom if we lose that one then Mark Hughes will be sacked
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:36:18 GMT
Do you think he'd come? Do we want a complete management rookie? Arsenal have hardly been rock solid at the back since he has been coach even with the riches at his disposal. Who would I want? I would give Hughes five or six games to get a couple of wins under his belt. He has earned that after the three 9th places of the past few years. Beyond that, I would be looking at Roy Hodgson or Steve Bruce, which are two other reasons why MH should be given more time. 5 or 6 less games though for a new manager to turn it round,very risky strategy It can be equally risky to get rid of the right guy, who has proven himself over the past 3 seasons, before the next 5 or 6 games, and bring in the wrong guy.
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Post by mark71 on Sept 19, 2016 14:39:01 GMT
I think he's got until the end of October, We've got WBA, The shit then 3 winnable games in Hull, Sunderland and Swansea. Anything less than 2 wins and a draw from those 5 and Hughes will be gone. Heavy defeats against WBA and the shit and his time will shorten considerably. So you'd take 2 losses...OK...man Utd is almost a given, but the other 4 we simply must not lose...Way too early to start saying 6 pointers, but out of the other 4 at least 2 will be in the mix come April/May, and we have to be clear of that particular dogfight. For me the next 5 should yield 3 wins 1 draw and 1 defeat, and a defeat where we actually give them a game and not roll over... I don't want to lose any game but given our current run of form 7 points from 5 games would be a good start to improve the situation we're in. I can't honestly see where our next win is coming from but if hughes can get 2 wins and a draw alongside a marked upturn in our performances I think it will keep the axe from falling.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:39:07 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by. He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report. MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for. 'Knicker wetting' oh how original I always love the cries for 'support' - Easy said than done when you don't actually go to the games and instead have to pay your own hard earn money to watch the shit served up like I did yesterday 'The loss of Butland and Affellay' - Well clearly someone can and should be blamed for the failure to bring into the club even a half decent second choice goalkeeper and perhaps a couple of defenders too given the shit show we now have (of course that may not be all MH's fault if the money wasn't made available) This hangover has lasted long enough - 20 plus games since we kept a clean sheet, 6 games in 11 conceded 4 or more and the longer it goes on (or is allowed to go on by the Chairman) the more we sink into the mire. The situation doesn't appear to be anyone's 'fault' not the players, the manager, the CEO or Chairman - Its seems that its mystifying when the reality is they are all culpable. I've probably been to more Stoke matches and spent more hard-earned cash in my lifetime than you've had hot dinners or earned
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 19, 2016 14:39:19 GMT
The Management team will have their full support until we play west brom if we lose that one then Mark Hughes will be sacked Consulted the Oracle have you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:41:45 GMT
Coates said "... while these results obviously can’t go on forever, we’re convinced that things will change.”
I wonder if at this point, they've already privately established how long 'forever' actually means?
I think he's got until the end of October, We've got WBA, The shit then 3 winnable games in Hull, Sunderland and Swansea. Anything less than 2 wins and a draw from those 5 and Hughes will be gone. Heavy defeats against WBA and the shit and his time will shorten considerably. 8 points by the end of October? Not sure the club would be happy to wait that long to be honest. That would seriously put us under pressure.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:42:16 GMT
5 or 6 less games though for a new manager to turn it round,very risky strategy It can be equally risky to get rid of the right guy, who has proven himself over the past 3 seasons, before the next 5 or 6 games, and bring in the wrong guy. Fair comment mate but like people have pointed out it goes back to earlier this year so for me it's a risk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:42:41 GMT
The Management team will have their full support until we play west brom if we lose that one then Mark Hughes will be sacked Consulted the Oracle have you? lol Another clueless one making out they know more than the square root of fuck all. They're all on a roll right now.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Sept 19, 2016 14:43:39 GMT
Why do you always have to be a complete knobhead and a sarcastic one at that? Go and grow up
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2016 14:45:04 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by. He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report. MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for. I agree entirely with your sentiments, although I think there are far more issues than just the two players lost. There have also been issues with injuries to Ryan and Johnson that have hurt us hard. Equally important there has been loss of form/confidence, notably Pieters and lately Whelan and Ryan has been shaky since his last injury. There seems to be an attitude issue, particularly when it comes to defending. Last season there was a distinct air of "gone to the beach"/"can't wait for the hols/Euros". This season, confidence has been undermined by dubious refereeing decisions; on Saturday it was almost like the players were scared to get stuck into Palace players in case they gave away a penalty. Imbula is a raw gem, but he is just not clicking in the team and I'm glad Hughes had the firmness to drop him to the bench, effectively admitting it just isn't working with him. We should remember he had to do the same with Bojan in his first season. Unfortunately the club is suffering so many injuries Hughes options to replace players are limited at the moment. I expect the owners will accept a couple more losses for the next few games and are expecting improvement after the ManU match. (Pulis's band will jumping on the floor at every opportunity trying every trick in the book and few that aren't.) The management team has my full support, for what it's worth, they have given me a lot of pleasure and pride in recent years and now it's payback time.
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Post by adamsson on Sept 19, 2016 14:48:46 GMT
Good managers don't suddenly become bad managers. Either MH was never a good manager who had three years of good fortune, or he is a good manager who has hit a rocky patch, I think it's the latter. Too decide his future on the result in the West Brom game is nonsense, although I think he will win it anyway. The Titanic was a good ship right up to the point where it hit the iceberg. He was a good manager and could be again but right now at Stoke he has lost it and he doesn't even know what it was. If he stays we will carry on getting hammered,the sooner he is gone the better. Sorry I wanted him to succeed and backed him until Sunday but enough is enough.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 14:52:17 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by. He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report. MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for. I agree entirely with your sentiments, although I think there are far more issues than just the two players lost. There have also been issues with injuries to Ryan and Johnson that have hurt us hard. Equally important there has been loss of form/confidence, notably Pieters and lately Whelan and Ryan has been shaky since his last injury. There seems to be an attitude issue, particularly when it comes to defending. Last season there was a distinct air of "gone to the beach"/"can't wait for the hols/Euros". This season, confidence has been undermined by dubious refereeing decisions; on Saturday it was almost like the players were scared to get stuck into Palace players in case they gave away a penalty. Imbula is a raw gem, but he is just not clicking in the team and I'm glad Hughes had the firmness to drop him to the bench, effectively admitting it just isn't working with him. We should remember he had to do the same with Bojan in his first season. Unfortunately the club is suffering so many injuries Hughes options to replace players are limited at the moment. I expect the owners will accept a couple more losses for the next few games and are expecting improvement after the ManU match. (Pulis's band will jumping on the floor at every opportunity trying every trick in the book and few that aren't.) The management team has my full support, for what it's worth, they have given me a lot of pleasure and pride in recent years and now it's payback time. Self inflicted limited options especially in defence, this is his fault simple sick of hearing his bullshit excuses "not like us" FFS , it is exactly like us and has been since February daft twat.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 19, 2016 14:52:59 GMT
The fact he feels the need to come out and "support" the manager is proof enough that he's on thin ice. He's hardly going to say "You're fucked if we lose again next week Sparky" is he?.. Not in public anyway.
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 19, 2016 14:53:06 GMT
Why do you always have to be a complete knobhead and a sarcastic one at that? Go and grow up You can get banned on this board for being personal you know...
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Post by starkiller on Sept 19, 2016 14:54:18 GMT
Vote of confidence if I've ever seen one. We're whipping boys. Coates doesn't normally do those, he normally says nothing when he's about to wield the axe.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2016 14:56:18 GMT
Why do you always have to be a complete knobhead and a sarcastic one at that? Go and grow up You can get banned on this board for being personal you know... You would know more than most about that.
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Post by mark71 on Sept 19, 2016 15:06:59 GMT
I think he's got until the end of October, We've got WBA, The shit then 3 winnable games in Hull, Sunderland and Swansea. Anything less than 2 wins and a draw from those 5 and Hughes will be gone. Heavy defeats against WBA and the shit and his time will shorten considerably.8 points by the end of October? Not sure the club would be happy to wait that long to be honest. That would seriously put us under pressure. Yes it would but it's a better position than we're in now. Our performances and results have been shambolic so far, It is inconceivable that we can turn 1 win in 5 into 4 wins out of 5 no matter who our opponents are. My original comment (highlighted in bold) was the MINIMUM required for Hughes to keep his job.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 19, 2016 15:08:13 GMT
Thank goodness that we have a true professional owning and running our club instead of some of the knicker-wetting community that this Board is dominated by. He will recognise the excellent job done by MH and his team over the past three years which has achieved immeasurably more success than any other manager before him, both in terms of results on the pitch and, just as importantly, within the BET 365 annual report. MH deserves ALL of our support in the next 5 games to turn this around. In my opinion, the majority of our issues are due to the loss of Butland and Afellay, which nobody can be blamed for. I agree entirely with your sentiments, although I think there are far more issues than just the two players lost. There have also been issues with injuries to Ryan and Johnson that have hurt us hard. Equally important there has been loss of form/confidence, notably Pieters and lately Whelan and Ryan has been shaky since his last injury. There seems to be an attitude issue, particularly when it comes to defending. Last season there was a distinct air of "gone to the beach"/"can't wait for the hols/Euros". This season, confidence has been undermined by dubious refereeing decisions; on Saturday it was almost like the players were scared to get stuck into Palace players in case they gave away a penalty. Imbula is a raw gem, but he is just not clicking in the team and I'm glad Hughes had the firmness to drop him to the bench, effectively admitting it just isn't working with him. We should remember he had to do the same with Bojan in his first season. Unfortunately the club is suffering so many injuries Hughes options to replace players are limited at the moment. I expect the owners will accept a couple more losses for the next few games and are expecting improvement after the ManU match. (Pulis's band will jumping on the floor at every opportunity trying every trick in the book and few that aren't.) The management team has my full support, for what it's worth, they have given me a lot of pleasure and pride in recent years and now it's payback time. I know there are a lot more issues than the two players I mentioned, although I think that Butland's injury in particular is a massive blow and one that was obviously not anticipated to be as lengthy given that he had had a decent pre-season. For sure, the management and transfer teams should have been more active in securing a stronger Number 2. Ryan, Glenn and Walters have all lost form whilst other players have been blighted by injuries. We were decent enough 2nd half at Boro, ok throughout at Everton and decent enough at home against Man C and Spurs until we had to chase the game. Crystal Palace was for me the worst performance by a country mile. I endorse your sentiments in the last paragraph. We have been punching above our weight over the past few years, have been blessed with several fantastic performances and players and are probably well-overdue a relegation battle. Let's hope the management team, players and the supporters can unite to pull us through this temporary malaise.
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