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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 19:32:12 GMT
Not that harsh when you consider he cost £18 million really Like it or not, £18m is chicken feed these days sid. And there are plenty of very good players who can't use one of their feet. For what it's worth I agree with George Best - they should be able to use both - but the reality is that lots can't. Bummer but that's life. You'd have got the same outcome if Whelan, Arnie or Bojan or had attempted a left foot shot The cost of a premier league footballer is obscene but it doesn't bother me one bit as it's not my money, but even i would expect to make a better effort of Imbula's chance today with my "wrong" foot and I was only an average Sunday league player twenty odd years ago. It was a woeful attempt,let's be honest.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 19:34:03 GMT
Desperately disappointing today. He should have put us ahead but his attempted shot, if you can call it that, with his right foot was laughable. Clearly he's not prepared to graft for the right to play and he won't realise his potential in this country until he realises what it takes to play in this country. Why Adam wasn't bought on to replace him, only Hughes knows. Harsh to blame him for the shot mate. He's left-footed. Would you judge Charlie so harshly if he'd cocked up a right footed shot? He's a,20m footballer earning somewhere in the region of 40k a week and he can't even do the simplest of things with his right foot. Its embarrassing. Would I judge Adam so harshly in the same circumstances? Too right I would. He's inability to muck in and do the dirty work and the fact that he is so one footed he can barely even stand on his right leg means he's a hell of a long way to go before he gets anywhere close to realising his potential.
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Post by manmarking on Aug 20, 2016 19:46:46 GMT
Harsh to blame him for the shot mate. He's left-footed. Would you judge Charlie so harshly if he'd cocked up a right footed shot? He's a,20m footballer earning somewhere in the region of 40k a week and he can't even do the simplest of things with his right foot. Its embarrassing. Would I judge Adam so harshly in the same circumstances? Too right I would. He's inability to muck in and do the dirty work and the fact that he is so one footed he can barely even stand on his right leg means he's a hell of a long way to go before he gets anywhere close to realising his potential. I think that's unfair personally. He can pass okay on his right. Shooting is a very different discipline. Agree that he's got a long way to go but as I've already said, like it or not £18m is fuck all these days.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 19:51:12 GMT
He's a,20m footballer earning somewhere in the region of 40k a week and he can't even do the simplest of things with his right foot. Its embarrassing. Would I judge Adam so harshly in the same circumstances? Too right I would. He's inability to muck in and do the dirty work and the fact that he is so one footed he can barely even stand on his right leg means he's a hell of a long way to go before he gets anywhere close to realising his potential. I think that's unfair personally. He can pass okay on his right. Shooting is a very different discipline. Agree that he's got a long way to go but as I've already said, like it or not £18m is fuck all these days. He was in the middle of the goal, no more than 10 yards out and he was incapable of even taking a "swinger" at it. The score was 0-0 and we were playing well. Try as much as we all might like you simply can't defend the indefensible.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 19:51:43 GMT
The gloves issue needs sorting,the manager should ban all gloves on outfield players.It shows a weakness in his attitude.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 19:53:01 GMT
The gloves issue needs sorting,the manager should ban all gloves on outfield players.It shows a weakness in his attitude. He should ban coloured boots as well!
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Post by manmarking on Aug 20, 2016 19:55:29 GMT
I think that's unfair personally. He can pass okay on his right. Shooting is a very different discipline. Agree that he's got a long way to go but as I've already said, like it or not £18m is fuck all these days. He was in the middle of the goal, no more than 10 yards out and he was incapable of even taking a "swinger" at it. The score was 0-0 and we were playing well. Try as much as we all might like you simply can't defend the indefensible. My original point still stands - I'd bet £20 that Arnie, Whelan or Bojan would've created similar on their left pegs. It's symptomatic of the modern game.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2016 19:56:43 GMT
Harsh to blame him for the shot mate. He's left-footed. Would you judge Charlie so harshly if he'd cocked up a right footed shot? He's a,20m footballer earning somewhere in the region of 40k a week and he can't even do the simplest of things with his right foot. Its embarrassing. Would I judge Adam so harshly in the same circumstances? Too right I would. He's inability to muck in and do the dirty work and the fact that he is so one footed he can barely even stand on his right leg means he's a hell of a long way to go before he gets anywhere close to realising his potential. I agree dave so does that mean we've spent £18.5 million on potential?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 19:58:51 GMT
He was in the middle of the goal, no more than 10 yards out and he was incapable of even taking a "swinger" at it. The score was 0-0 and we were playing well. Try as much as we all might like you simply can't defend the indefensible. My original point still stands - I'd bet £20 that Arnie, Whelan or Bojan would've created similar on their left pegs. It's symptomatic of the modern game. Arnie has two very good feet and bojan scored his best two goals for us both with his wrong foot. Whelan can't shoot for toffee with either foot but I'd have expected him to do better in that situation than imbula did.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 19:59:53 GMT
He's a,20m footballer earning somewhere in the region of 40k a week and he can't even do the simplest of things with his right foot. Its embarrassing. Would I judge Adam so harshly in the same circumstances? Too right I would. He's inability to muck in and do the dirty work and the fact that he is so one footed he can barely even stand on his right leg means he's a hell of a long way to go before he gets anywhere close to realising his potential. I agree dave so does that mean we've spent £18.5 million on potential? Absolutely. If he realises his potential we'll sell him for double what we paid for him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 20, 2016 20:02:08 GMT
He was awful today.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2016 20:02:53 GMT
I agree dave so does that mean we've spent £18.5 million on potential? Absolutely. If he realises his potential we'll sell him for double what we paid for him. Fair enough Dave,so do you think he will with us and under Hughes?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 20:05:06 GMT
Absolutely. If he realises his potential we'll sell him for double what we paid for him. Fair enough Dave,so do you think he will with us and under Hughes? I have my doubts to be honest. Who wouldn't? More worrying than his performance was his reaction to being subbed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2016 20:09:44 GMT
Fair enough Dave,so do you think he will with us and under Hughes? I have my doubts to be honest. Who wouldn't? More worrying than his performance was his reaction to being subbed. Was about to post about his reaction because for me he purposely walked away from the manager when leaving the pitch.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 20:11:11 GMT
I have my doubts to be honest. Who wouldn't? More worrying than his performance was his reaction to being subbed. Was about to post about his reaction because for me he purposely walked away from the manager when leaving the pitch. And he hardly looked at Jon with the normal "high 5" routine.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 20:16:49 GMT
Was about to post about his reaction because for me he purposely walked away from the manager when leaving the pitch. And he hardly looked at Jon with the normal "high 5" routine. Didn't reflect well on him at all and was a worrying sign. The last time I saw a stoke player seemingly so unhappy in his surroundings was Dave Kitson. The manager didn't pat him on the back as he left the pitch, no one seemed to acknowledge him in the dug out and he sat there like a little lost soul. I get the very real impression that imbula would rather play anywhere other than our home ground.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 20:20:58 GMT
And he hardly looked at Jon with the normal "high 5" routine. Didn't reflect well on him at all and was a worrying sign. The last time I saw a stoke player seemingly so unhappy in his surroundings was Dave Kitson. The manager didn't pat him on the back as he left the pitch, no one seemed to acknowledge him in the dug out and he sat there like a little lost soul. I get the very real impression that imbula would rather play anywhere other than our home ground. I'll always reserve judgement on interpreting stuff like that BUT it didn't look like all was well that's for sure.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2016 20:21:31 GMT
And he hardly looked at Jon with the normal "high 5" routine. Didn't reflect well on him at all and was a worrying sign. The last time I saw a stoke player seemingly so unhappy in his surroundings was Dave Kitson. The manager didn't pat him on the back as he left the pitch, no one seemed to acknowledge him in the dug out and he sat there like a little lost soul. I get the very real impression that imbula would rather play anywhere other than our home ground. I have to say Dave also that last season he used to arrive with the other players before the game but today he arrived on his lonesome a good 10 minutes after the others had gone in.Maybe i'm reading too much into that but when you've just mentioned the above it doesn't look promising like you say.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 20, 2016 20:27:50 GMT
At some point, an awkward question is going to have to be asked about Imbula.
There are three midfield roles in our team: the disciplined defensive midfielder, the dynamic player who covers every blade of grass on the pitch and the playmaker. If we are to fill in those roles one by one, Whelan goes straight in as the disciplined defensive midfielder because he's the only player we've got who actually goes that job. I think Imbula was brought in for the dynamic role formerly filled by N'Zonzi, but on the strength of his performance today, you'd have to say that Allen is a perfect fit for it. I can't look past Bojan as our best attacking midfield option.
Where exactly that leaves our record signing, I don't know, but at present he doesn't appear to fit into our first team anywhere. Then you have to consider that great big voids keep opening up in the middle of the pitch, that our defence still somehow gets hopelessly exposed and that our midfield doesn't seem to create much at present. It's a bit worrying.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2016 20:32:52 GMT
Didn't reflect well on him at all and was a worrying sign. The last time I saw a stoke player seemingly so unhappy in his surroundings was Dave Kitson. The manager didn't pat him on the back as he left the pitch, no one seemed to acknowledge him in the dug out and he sat there like a little lost soul. I get the very real impression that imbula would rather play anywhere other than our home ground. I'll always reserve judgement on interpreting stuff like that BUT it didn't look like all was well that's for sure. Today is odd because like you I don't think we played badly really but lots of little things troubled me. Imbula as mentioned above. There is clearly no love lost between bardsley and wooly and pieters and wooly. Bojan looks frustrated with himself and his team mates. I lost count of the number of times he came deep, got the ball and bemoaned a lack of options in front of him. Did anyone else see Ryan on their 3rd goal? If not, watch him as he's forced to turn sharply. Looks like his body locks up completely and he stands stationary for a good 2 seconds.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 20, 2016 20:35:46 GMT
Imbula seems a bloke who needs to feel loved. He also needs to be told that today's performance is unacceptable and will see him on the bench for an extended period if it happens again. A tough balancing act, that one!
He has all the boxes ticked to be a terrific player - good engine, two footed, nice turn of pace, tidy passer, excellent technically, skill to beat a man, powerful shot on him - but.......there is something missing. He seems to want to play his game, at his pace, to go forward far quicker than he comes back, to ignore the defensive aspects of midfield play. He should be our Pogba, but on today's evidence there is no justification whatsoever for him starting next week. He had a shocker. It is not a one off either, as there have been a few others since his arrival, and he must be coaxed into turning in more showings that his talents suggest he can. The management need to work hard on him, as there is a real star, a potential player of the season, in there. We have to find ways to help him release his ability, as well as being a team player, especially when we are not in possession.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 20:36:29 GMT
At some point, an awkward question is going to have to be asked about Imbula. There are three midfield roles in our team: the disciplined defensive midfielder, the dynamic player who covers every blade of grass on the pitch and the playmaker. If we are to fill in those roles one by one, Whelan goes straight in as the disciplined defensive midfielder because he's the only player we've got who actually goes that job. I think Imbula was brought in for the dynamic role formerly filled by N'Zonzi, but on the strength of his performance today, you'd have to say that Allen is a perfect fit for it. I can't look past Bojan as our best attacking midfield option. Where exactly that leaves our record signing, I don't know, but at present he doesn't appear to fit into our first team anywhere. Then you have to consider that great big voids keep opening up in the middle of the pitch, that our defence still somehow gets hopelessly exposed and that our midfield doesn't seem to create much at present. It's a bit worrying. Very eloquently put, MD. For me Imbula is great in games where we expect to be the more dominant team. When he has time and space he looks unstoppable. However in situations where we need to roll our sleeves up he often appears to be found wanting. The problem is we know he is a good footballer so it's hard to consider leaving him out. For me it would be either him or Whelan in the team depending on the opposition which I wouldn't have a problem with.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 20, 2016 20:39:53 GMT
...this bus is starting to back up. Is this the same Imbula that let go by two teams in two years? yep.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 20:39:59 GMT
I'll always reserve judgement on interpreting stuff like that BUT it didn't look like all was well that's for sure. Today is odd because like you I don't think we played badly really but lots of little things troubled me. Imbula as mentioned above. There is clearly no love lost between bardsley and wooly and pieters and wooly. Bojan looks frustrated with himself and his team mates. I lost count of the number of times he came deep, got the ball and bemoaned a lack of options in front of him. Did anyone else see Ryan on their 3rd goal? If not, watch him as he's forced to turn sharply. Looks like his body locks up completely and he stands stationary for a good 2 seconds. I think the thing about the back four is key, mate and it may stretch beyond the defence. For the first time in a while we look more like individuals than a team and regardless of personal, a solid team will beat 11 good players more often than not (look at Leicester).
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 20, 2016 20:41:06 GMT
At some point, an awkward question is going to have to be asked about Imbula. There are three midfield roles in our team: the disciplined defensive midfielder, the dynamic player who covers every blade of grass on the pitch and the playmaker. If we are to fill in those roles one by one, Whelan goes straight in as the disciplined defensive midfielder because he's the only player we've got who actually goes that job. I think Imbula was brought in for the dynamic role formerly filled by N'Zonzi, but on the strength of his performance today, you'd have to say that Allen is a perfect fit for it. I can't look past Bojan as our best attacking midfield option. Where exactly that leaves our record signing, I don't know, but at present he doesn't appear to fit into our first team anywhere. Then you have to consider that great big voids keep opening up in the middle of the pitch, that our defence still somehow gets hopelessly exposed and that our midfield doesn't seem to create much at present. It's a bit worrying. where does this leave Adam, Affelay, Ireland, I have said it before we have far to many midfield players, the rest of the squad has been inexcusably neglected and we are now reaping the results literally.
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Post by sbooth442 on Aug 20, 2016 20:42:15 GMT
any tart who wears gloves in August, wants his arse kicking, he wouldn't play with them on again if i was manager
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Post by manmarking on Aug 20, 2016 20:42:57 GMT
"Player has one bad game and is written off on The Oatcake" shocker
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 20, 2016 20:43:18 GMT
Imbula and Allen as the 2 with Shaqiri in the #10 position. This for me is the way forward, especially with Johnson out of the team which makes Shaqiri on the right pretty much useless. When Johnson is fit I would settle for Bojan in the #10 position but he also needs to improve his performances as he simply doesn't effect games enough.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 20, 2016 20:45:11 GMT
...this bus is starting to back up. Is this the same Imbula that let go by two teams in two years? yep. Marseille didn't exactly "let him go" in the way you're putting it did they? A club in financial trouble who needed the money. Porto, you're right it didn't work out but that happens when you aren't given time.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 20:45:11 GMT
"Player has one bad game and is written off on The Oatcake" shocker It's not one bad game though is it, mate? I'm not even that arsed about today as the position he played isn't his best. The flaws in his game are as big (if not bigger) an issue as his strengths are.
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