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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:14:26 GMT
Certainly a tremendous player that Mark and his team rate very highly. Didn't quite happen today. I think you should be on some sort of medication Mark and his team agree.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 20, 2016 16:17:17 GMT
Only one foot
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Post by wuzza on Aug 20, 2016 16:17:59 GMT
We have too many players who are excellent 'on their day'. We need more players who are pretty good every day.
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Post by nik80 on Aug 20, 2016 16:18:50 GMT
With Allen covering every blade and Whelan breaking the play as well as anyone, maybe Adam coulda been useful to find the killer pass? Imbula doesn't give us that. If Allen is gonna be that busy every week, we don't need a massively mobile Charlie but we could definitely use some of his vision in our forward play. Just a thought.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 16:20:13 GMT
The problem with Imbula is that even on a day like today when it isn't happening he doesn't have it in him to make it happen by busting a gut and putting himself about.
He hardly ever sprints for example and it must annoy others around him.
Work rate is surely a minimum?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 20, 2016 16:24:29 GMT
We get the other one for another £18 million.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:35:23 GMT
With Allen covering every blade and Whelan breaking the play as well as anyone, maybe Adam coulda been useful to find the killer pass? Imbula doesn't give us that. If Allen is gonna be that busy every week, we don't need a massively mobile Charlie but we could definitely use some of his vision in our forward play. Just a thought. I'd have Charlie in the side before Imbula and Whelan at the minute.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 16:39:38 GMT
With Allen covering every blade and Whelan breaking the play as well as anyone, maybe Adam coulda been useful to find the killer pass? Imbula doesn't give us that. If Allen is gonna be that busy every week, we don't need a massively mobile Charlie but we could definitely use some of his vision in our forward play. Just a thought. I'd have Charlie in the side before Imbula and Whelan at the minute. Thought we were crying out for Charlie in the second half. We would probably have really taken the game to them with him on the pitch.
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 16:45:38 GMT
Did you see when he came off he ran about 5 yards atound Pieters to not shake his hand?!
Odd.....
Ned
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 16:50:06 GMT
Did you see when he came off he ran about 5 yards atound Pieters to not shake his hand?! Odd..... Ned Hardly looked at Jon as he was subbed either. Sometimes you can read too much from body language but he doesn't exactly shout "team player" from where I sit. Hugely gifted on the ball and looks great at times. If he could add some steel and work ethic to his game he'd be a huge asset.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 16:58:17 GMT
At the end of last season I said I would judge him after a pre season.Well after today I see a player who plays for himself and dose not fit into a team.Players have bad games but he loses the ball and just walks back,he ignores players when a easy pass is on.And how can you take someone serious when they where gloves in August it's if he doesn't want to be here because it's to cold for him.Sell him now before everybody sees how shit he is for 18million pound.
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 16:59:27 GMT
Agreed.....understand player being fed up but it just looked as if he did it clearly on purpose!
Jamo with Joselu not even on bench do you think his days are numbered?
Ned
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 17:00:01 GMT
I'd have Charlie in the side before Imbula and Whelan at the minute. Thought we were crying out for Charlie in the second half. We would probably have really taken the game to them with him on the pitch. I saw enough from Joe Allen today to tell me that we won't need him and Whelan in our midfield for the majority of games,especially at home anyway so there has to be room for a midfielder who makes things happen more often than not when he's involved,especially when Imbula is as ineffective as he was today. Imbula really worries me,he is a bit of a fanny if I'm honest and doesn't look anything like the player I thought we'd signed. He looks like a man that doesn't enjoy his football very much,is weak as piss in the tackle and wants far too much time on the ball most of the time. There is talent in there and we saw it at times last season but he's been between average and bad more times than not for me and it worries me.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 17:03:13 GMT
Agreed.....understand player being fed up but it just looked as if he did it clearly on purpose! Jamo with Joselu not even on bench do you think his days are numbered? Ned Think Hughes feels he's dropped a clanger with Joselu. Shame but he isn't physical enough to play the role we want him to I suspect. Not sure what will happen with him to be honest.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 20, 2016 17:09:30 GMT
Can't believe the comments. He was class last week. Him and Allen are excellent but we need a big powerful destroyer to support them. Then we'll be cooking. Someone in the Wanyama mould then you'll have the perfect blend.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 17:09:51 GMT
Thought we were crying out for Charlie in the second half. We would probably have really taken the game to them with him on the pitch. I saw enough from Joe Allen today to tell me that we won't need him and Whelan in our midfield for the majority of games,especially at home anyway so there has to be room for a midfielder who makes things happen more often than not when he's involved,especially when Imbula is as ineffective as he was today. Imbula really worries me,he is a bit of a fanny if I'm honest and doesn't look anything like the player I thought we'd signed. He looks like a man that doesn't enjoy his football very much,is weak as piss in the tackle and wants far too much time on the ball most of the time. There is talent in there and we saw it at times last season but he's been between average and bad more times than not for me and it worries me. He really is a concern. I see loads of young fans on Twitter get very giddy about him when he does something good but it's when he's not on the ball that tells you what a midfielder is really like. Arnie has all the talent in the world but he tracks back and puts a shift in, Imbula just doesn't. I'm not sure where we play him. He's too lazy to play the holding role and he isn't good enough getting forward to play the advanced position. As it stands I'd go with (once we are all fit) Jack GJ Ryan Wolly Erik Allen Adam Shaq Bojan Arnie Striker Ideally I'd like another CB and LB as well. The striker we should break the bank for is Bony IF we could get him. His hold up play would mean the trio behind him play further up the pitch where they can hurt teams. As it is most of the stuff they do is 35 yards from goal.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 17:13:20 GMT
Can't believe the comments. He was class last week. Him and Allen are excellent but we need a big powerful destroyer to support them. Then we'll be cooking. Someone in the Wanyama mould then you'll have the perfect blend. He was excellent last week (and I said as much on the way back) BUT it was against a poor midfield. I'm not saying we bomb him out but he needs to do more when he's not on the ball. We aren't going to have a destroyer (I think we thought he was going to be it) to compliment him AND Allen unless we are dropping Bojan in favour of him (I certainly wouldn't do that).
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 20, 2016 17:15:58 GMT
Is he our midfield kenwyne Jones unplayable on his day , but on what day is anybody's guess
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Post by sonichuth on Aug 20, 2016 17:16:24 GMT
Absolute bloody tripe. How anyone can assume from today that Imbula is the problem wants their bloody head swivelling.
He ran the show against Boro. Streets above anyone else on our team, and today, played out of position, he gets stick for not affecting the game enough?
He's not lazy and he's not untalented. Far from it. Ridiculous how some players get the treatment and some don't. Just because he cost £18m doesn't make him someone we should expect miracles from week after week. Just been a moron (who watched a bit of the match on telly) who slagged him off and all he could base his argument on was the price tag.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 17:16:53 GMT
I saw enough from Joe Allen today to tell me that we won't need him and Whelan in our midfield for the majority of games,especially at home anyway so there has to be room for a midfielder who makes things happen more often than not when he's involved,especially when Imbula is as ineffective as he was today. Imbula really worries me,he is a bit of a fanny if I'm honest and doesn't look anything like the player I thought we'd signed. He looks like a man that doesn't enjoy his football very much,is weak as piss in the tackle and wants far too much time on the ball most of the time. There is talent in there and we saw it at times last season but he's been between average and bad more times than not for me and it worries me. He really is a concern. I see loads of young fans on Twitter get very giddy about him when he does something good but it's when he's not on the ball that tells you what a midfielder is really like. Arnie has all the talent in the world but he tracks back and puts a shift in, Imbula just doesn't. I'm not sure where we play him. He's too lazy to play the holding role and he isn't good enough getting forward to play the advanced position. As it stands I'd go with (once we are all fit) Jack GJ Ryan Wolly Erik Allen Adam Shaq Bojan Arnie Striker Ideally I'd like another CB and LB as well. The striker we should break the bank for is Bony IF we could get him. His hold up play would mean the trio behind him play further up the pitch where they can hurt teams. As it is most of the stuff they do is 35 yards from goal. Today proved beyond reasonable doubt that Imbula simply cannot play as the most advanced midfielder. He was totally lost. We play him deeper or not at all. Where that leaves Allen, Whelan and Bojan I don't know. How does Hughes justify dropping our record transfer at 18M pounds?
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 17:18:36 GMT
Surely we have to try and I say try Imbula Allen and Bojan?
Ned
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Post by trigger on Aug 20, 2016 17:20:27 GMT
I thought today he was awful, its no exaggeration he got caught on the ball at least ten times and Sterling made him look flimsy.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 20, 2016 17:20:28 GMT
He needs to drop back alongside Allen, I'd have Shaqiri as a number 10 and a new winger.
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Post by sonichuth on Aug 20, 2016 17:20:51 GMT
Imbula contributes far more than Whelan, who simply does not put a kick in when that is apparently what he's supposed to be there for. Allen's performance should make Whelan, not the out-of-position Imbula, worry for his starting XI berth.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 17:21:08 GMT
He really is a concern. I see loads of young fans on Twitter get very giddy about him when he does something good but it's when he's not on the ball that tells you what a midfielder is really like. Arnie has all the talent in the world but he tracks back and puts a shift in, Imbula just doesn't. I'm not sure where we play him. He's too lazy to play the holding role and he isn't good enough getting forward to play the advanced position. As it stands I'd go with (once we are all fit) Jack GJ Ryan Wolly Erik Allen Adam Shaq Bojan Arnie Striker Ideally I'd like another CB and LB as well. The striker we should break the bank for is Bony IF we could get him. His hold up play would mean the trio behind him play further up the pitch where they can hurt teams. As it is most of the stuff they do is 35 yards from goal. Today proved beyond reasonable doubt that Imbula simply cannot play as the most advanced midfielder. He was totally lost. We play him deeper or not at all. Where that leaves Allen, Whelan and Bojan I don't know. How does Hughes justify dropping our record transfer at 18M pounds? It's a conundrum for sure. As you say he definitely can't play the advanced role as he isn't that player. So that leaves the holding role alongside either Glenn or Allen. Given how we are shipping goals I would have real worries about how easy teams can play through us. Allen looked superb today but his best work was on and around the half way line not just in front of the back four. Fuck I'm confused! Over to you gaffer!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 20, 2016 17:21:54 GMT
I thought he took a bad knock on the top of his foot, once taken off we relinquished the midfield battle. I'll need to see a re run or highlights or something but once again I thought he helped us to maintain possession and always looked to drive forward. There's no turning back with Imbula, he's almost like the other half of N'Zonz. He still looks raw as fuck as a footballer and we need to find a way of fitting him in. Dunner give up on him yet he's got a crazy quality of glueing the ball to his feet, once he's got the script he'll be mint.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 20, 2016 17:22:53 GMT
Imbula, like Charlie Adam can be a match winner,and also cost you a match at the same time.I thought he was the best player on the pitch last week at boro. Today he was less effective but to give him the stick for one average game is over the top IMO. What on earth LMH thought Walters was going to achieve I don't know?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 17:23:51 GMT
I saw enough from Joe Allen today to tell me that we won't need him and Whelan in our midfield for the majority of games,especially at home anyway so there has to be room for a midfielder who makes things happen more often than not when he's involved,especially when Imbula is as ineffective as he was today. Imbula really worries me,he is a bit of a fanny if I'm honest and doesn't look anything like the player I thought we'd signed. He looks like a man that doesn't enjoy his football very much,is weak as piss in the tackle and wants far too much time on the ball most of the time. There is talent in there and we saw it at times last season but he's been between average and bad more times than not for me and it worries me. He really is a concern. I see loads of young fans on Twitter get very giddy about him when he does something good but it's when he's not on the ball that tells you what a midfielder is really like. Arnie has all the talent in the world but he tracks back and puts a shift in, Imbula just doesn't. I'm not sure where we play him. He's too lazy to play the holding role and he isn't good enough getting forward to play the advanced position. As it stands I'd go with (once we are all fit) Jack GJ Ryan Wolly Erik Allen Adam Shaq Bojan Arnie Striker Ideally I'd like another CB and LB as well. The striker we should break the bank for is Bony IF we could get him. His hold up play would mean the trio behind him play further up the pitch where they can hurt teams. As it is most of the stuff they do is 35 yards from goal. I can't disagree with any of that Jamo. Imbula is a passenger when we don't have the ball and for a central midfielder that's criminal. Changes are needed because it's just not clicking at all. As much as we need to sign another centre half,my biggest concern is the lack of chances we are creating and Hughes has to find a way of sorting this out. We have nobody who can hold the ball up and bring others into play,which means none of our midfielders get past the front man and we lack genuine width which is always going to mean you don't score many goals. I agree with you that Bony would be ideal but I'm also leaning towards a system change to add genuine width into the side. Whether Sobhi can cut it as a genuine wide man we will have to see but something has to change and I'm not 100% sure it's just down to adding new faces,as we've always been low scorers under Hughes.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 17:24:47 GMT
I thought he took a bad knock on the top of his foot, once taken off we relinquished the midfield battle. I'll need to see a re run or highlights or something but once again I thought he helped us to maintain possession and always looked to drive forward. There's no turning back with Imbula, he's almost like the other half of N'Zonz. He still looks raw as fuck as a footballer and we need to find a way of fitting him in. Dunner give up on him yet he's got a crazy quality of glueing the ball to his feet, once he's got the script he'll be mint. He's definitely worth persisting with because we know he's a real talent. I'd definitely say he's had as many bad games as good ones though and he needs to improve his consistency levels. Nobody can be on top of their game every week and that's why I want more from him when he's not on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 17:25:25 GMT
Imbula contributes far more than Whelan, who simply does not put a kick in when that is apparently what he's supposed to be there for. Allen's performance should make Whelan, not the out-of-position Imbula, worry for his starting XI berth. When a player who looks a physical beast gets knocked off the ball by that man mountain Raheem Sterling you are entitled to ask questions. He has absolutely no idea what is going on around him, is very one footed,can't tackle and is an average passer of the ball and loses possession in dangerous areas. Other than that he's fine. I have serious reservations about him and his attitude.
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