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Post by Squeekster on Jun 14, 2016 11:08:16 GMT
Given a suspended ban for the trouble in the stadium against England.
Do they dare kick off again and get thrown out?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:09:34 GMT
They type of people who have been causing the trouble don't care about football or the result, they won't be bothered if they're kicked out or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:09:49 GMT
Pathetic kop out.
UEFA and FIFA don't want the hassle of the questioning that will follow with regards to World Cup 2018 if they are kicked out.
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Post by Ayupshag on Jun 14, 2016 11:10:44 GMT
Yes they will because they're all lunatics and they don't give a shit about anything. Look at their president. He's a complete fuckin nut job and they've all grown up under knobheads like him controlling them
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 14, 2016 11:18:07 GMT
So UEFA have again said that they only have jurisdiction over events that take place inside the stadium.
So for what specific offence are they threatening to expel England for?
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Post by gogogadget on Jun 14, 2016 11:20:23 GMT
Fuck off Russia fuck off
I hope everyone ignores your bullshit world cup
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 14, 2016 11:21:05 GMT
So UEFA have again said that they only have jurisdiction over events that take place inside the stadium.
So for what specific offence are they threatening to expel England for?
Our defending? |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jun 14, 2016 11:21:36 GMT
Don't think the hooligans give a crap to be honest...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:21:44 GMT
So UEFA have again said that they only have jurisdiction over events that take place inside the stadium.
So for what specific offence are they threatening to expel England for?
James Milner ? |
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Post by JetBlack on Jun 14, 2016 11:23:49 GMT
They type of people who have been causing the trouble don't care about football or the result, they won't be bothered if they're kicked out or not. This.... |
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 14, 2016 11:24:51 GMT
Don't think the hooligans give a crap to be honest... They probably don't but if this has an element of sinister goings on then maybe the powers that be might worry about the world cup in 2 years. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 14, 2016 11:25:02 GMT
So UEFA have again said that they only have jurisdiction over events that take place inside the stadium.
So for what specific offence are they threatening to expel England for?
I'm left scratching my head at this one myself. |
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Post by rorymscfc on Jun 14, 2016 11:26:12 GMT
And so Russia get yet another "final warning". Pathetic.
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Post by rawli on Jun 14, 2016 11:30:43 GMT
So UEFA have again said that they only have jurisdiction over events that take place inside the stadium.
So for what specific offence are they threatening to expel England for?
Being English in a built up area. |
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Post by foster on Jun 14, 2016 11:31:18 GMT
And so Russia get yet another "final warning". Pathetic. I think that's fair enough to be honest. The Marseilles trouble both inside and outside the ground could be classed as one event perpetrated by one group of people. |
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Post by ruts66 on Jun 14, 2016 11:31:30 GMT
So UEFA have again said that they only have jurisdiction over events that take place inside the stadium.
So for what specific offence are they threatening to expel England for?
Spot on, Paul... |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 14, 2016 11:34:36 GMT
So if Russia lose to Wales on Monday meaning they're out of the tournament and they kick off on the Wales fans inside the stadium at the end of the game, what happens then?
Are UEFA going to kick them out of the tournament?
Oh hang on ...
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Post by foster on Jun 14, 2016 11:36:32 GMT
So if Russia lose to Wales on Monday meaning they're out of the tournament and they kick off on the Wales fans inside the stadium at the end of the game, what happens then? Are UEFA going to kick them out of the tournament? Oh hang on ... I sort of hope that Russia's hooligans do kick off at other nations fans....with no one getting seriously injured off course. If it gets them expelled from the tournament then great. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 14, 2016 11:43:49 GMT
So if Russia lose to Wales on Monday meaning they're out of the tournament and they kick off on the Wales fans inside the stadium at the end of the game, what happens then? Are UEFA going to kick them out of the tournament? Oh hang on ... I sort of hope that Russia's hooligans do kick off at other nations fans....with no one getting seriously injured off course. If it gets them expelled from the tournament then great. I imagine the Belgians are ecstatic this morning, Foster. |
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Post by chad on Jun 14, 2016 11:46:38 GMT
Yes they will because they're all lunatics and they don't give a shit about anything. Look at their president. He's a complete fuckin nut job and they've all grown up under knobheads like him controlling them You do know the Spetsnaz monitor this site don't you. Better watch out for dodgy characters with umbrellas |
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Post by Davef on Jun 14, 2016 11:47:55 GMT
www.uefa.org/disciplinary/UEFA haven't got a leg to stand on threatening England. Yeah, we have some whack jobs over there and some of the behaviour is pretty reprehensible (and we've all seen and heard it at Stoke away games as well), but until the English are guilty of violence, letting off fireworks, throwing missiles or racist behaviour inside the stadium then there's nothing they can do about it. There were estimates of between 40 and 45,000 England fans inside the stadium at Marseilles and as far as I'm aware there was no sign of any of the above.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 14, 2016 11:49:25 GMT
So if Russia lose to Wales on Monday meaning they're out of the tournament and they kick off on the Wales fans inside the stadium at the end of the game, what happens then? Are UEFA going to kick them out of the tournament? Oh hang on ... I sort of hope that Russia's hooligans do kick off at other nations fans....with no one getting seriously injured off course. If it gets them expelled from the tournament then great. Point being, in the scenario I've just described mate, they'll already be out of the tournament anyway, so where would be the deterrent for them not to kick off on the Welsh? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 14, 2016 11:51:45 GMT
www.uefa.org/disciplinary/UEFA haven't got a leg to stand on threatening England. Yeah, we have some whack jobs over there and some of the behaviour is pretty reprehensible (and we've all seen and heard it at Stoke away games as well), but until the English are guilty of violence, letting off fireworks, throwing missiles or racist behaviour inside the stadium then there's nothing they can do about it. There were estimates of between 40 and 45,000 England fans inside the stadium at Marseilles and as far as I'm aware there was no sign of any of the above. According to Sam Borden of the New York Times, there is two bodies handing out punishments. The UEFA Disciplinary Committee handed out this punishment for the violence inside the stadium. The UEFA ExCo can hand out punishments for trouble outside the stadium. It at least explains why UEFA has threatened Russia twice, and England once. Not saying it makes sense, but at least provides some clarity. |
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Post by foster on Jun 14, 2016 11:52:26 GMT
I sort of hope that Russia's hooligans do kick off at other nations fans....with no one getting seriously injured off course. If it gets them expelled from the tournament then great. I imagine the Belgians are ecstatic this morning, Foster. Very quiet at work today. Looking around the office now I don't see any of them. Keeping very low profile, hiding in their offices or the toilets. Which is good for them after the stick I got for our draw. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 14, 2016 11:57:37 GMT
The Guardian's Russian correspondent suggested that the England match was targetted from the day the draw was announced.
Went on to suggest that the likelihood of further violence is unlikely.
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Post by Davef on Jun 14, 2016 12:02:19 GMT
www.uefa.org/disciplinary/UEFA haven't got a leg to stand on threatening England. Yeah, we have some whack jobs over there and some of the behaviour is pretty reprehensible (and we've all seen and heard it at Stoke away games as well), but until the English are guilty of violence, letting off fireworks, throwing missiles or racist behaviour inside the stadium then there's nothing they can do about it. There were estimates of between 40 and 45,000 England fans inside the stadium at Marseilles and as far as I'm aware there was no sign of any of the above. According to Sam Borden of the New York Times, there is two bodies handing out punishments. The UEFA Disciplinary Committee handed out this punishment for the violence inside the stadium. The UEFA ExCo can hand out punishments for trouble outside the stadium. It at least explains why UEFA has threatened Russia twice, and England once. Not saying it makes sense, but at least provides some clarity. UEFA's rules quite clearly state that disciplinary action can be taken to clubs and associations for trouble inside and around a stadium. Quite what power they think they have for trouble 5km from a stadium is anybody's guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 12:07:45 GMT
As this is UEFA's tournament, there is nothing regarding punishments that they could give which would have any automatic input on FIFA and the World Cup itself. It's also very difficult, as UEFA have shown, as the FA here have shown, for issues away from the ground or outside certain timescales to be under their jurisdiction too.
In terms of taking the tournament from Russia, I think that would unfairly punish the many law abiding, normal football fans and businesses that would benefit from it. Remember in our non-glorious days (or, according to some, the 'best' days when football violence really counted...) how we'd have felt to have tournaments taken off us because of the actions of a minority? Lets not forget that a Russian student was stabbed to death during 1996 because he was mistaken by the attackers as being German!
Notwithstanding, I would actually be supportive of England, in consultation with supporters and police, of getting a vote to withdraw from the tournament if the overall consensus was that our visiting fans would be under such excessive risk. This is especially in light of their fuckheaded ministers who have even congratulated the nutters on their victory!!
As someone who never has actually followed England, I wouldn't expect to be consulted or have a say on this - but it's a worthwile step. I imagine that there would be a number of other countries which would also follow.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 14, 2016 12:12:06 GMT
www.uefa.org/disciplinary/UEFA haven't got a leg to stand on threatening England. Yeah, we have some whack jobs over there and some of the behaviour is pretty reprehensible (and we've all seen and heard it at Stoke away games as well), but until the English are guilty of violence, letting off fireworks, throwing missiles or racist behaviour inside the stadium then there's nothing they can do about it. There were estimates of between 40 and 45,000 England fans inside the stadium at Marseilles and as far as I'm aware there was no sign of any of the above. According to Sam Borden of the New York Times, there is two bodies handing out punishments. The UEFA Disciplinary Committee handed out this punishment for the violence inside the stadium. The UEFA ExCo can hand out punishments for trouble outside the stadium. It at least explains why UEFA has threatened Russia twice, and England once. Not saying it makes sense, but at least provides some clarity. Cheers for that. It's a good summary of the situation as it stands. Like others on this thread I have my misgivings and doubts as to what will actually happen in the event of further trouble - but at least the journo has drawn together the current pronouncements by UEFA - and their ostensible meaning. If I were FIFA (who have jurisdiction on the World Cup) I'd be very concerned about the way the Russian Authorities (including politicians and police) are not just condoning but actually complimenting the Russian thugs. I'd have said that was a good enough reason to stop Russia hosting the World Cup - but we all know that FIFA won't see it that way. You can imagine what would happen if our establishment said that they "couldn't see anything wrong with fans fighting" - we'd probably be expelled from FIFA. But standards seem to be different where Russia is concerned. The other thing that bugs me is how the security services of a nation which is supposed to be on the highest state of alert against terrorist attacks, can allow flare guns to be taken into a football stadium. And there has not been a word of condemnation of the Police and security failings from EUFA or the French government.  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 14, 2016 12:14:07 GMT
More incentives for English fans to behave like deccent human beings on Thursday.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 14, 2016 12:17:27 GMT
As this is UEFA's tournament, there is nothing regarding punishments that they could give which would have any automatic input on FIFA and the World Cup itself. It's also very difficult, as UEFA have shown, as the FA here have shown, for issues away from the ground or outside certain timescales to be under their jurisdiction too. In terms of taking the tournament from Russia, I think that would unfairly punish the many law abiding, normal football fans and businesses that would benefit from it. Remember in our non-glorious days (or, according to some, the 'best' days when football violence really counted...) how we'd have felt to have tournaments taken off us because of the actions of a minority? Lets not forget that a Russian student was stabbed to death during 1996 because he was mistaken by the attackers as being German! Notwithstanding, I would actually be supportive of England, in consultation with supporters and police, of getting a vote to withdraw from the tournament if the overall consensus was that our visiting fans would be under such excessive risk. This is especially in light of their fuckheaded ministers who have even congratulated the nutters on their victory!! As someone who never has actually followed England, I wouldn't expect to be consulted or have a say on this - but it's a worthwile step. I imagine that there would be a number of other countries which would also follow. As I have said in my post a bit higher up - I think the fact that the Russian Establishment seem, in some cases, to be actually condoning Russian violence at Euro 2016, is a good enough reason to take the World Cup away from Russia. If Russian politicians and security staff don't see a problem with violence, how are they going to get the message over to those of their population who are hell bent on perpetrating violence. |
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