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Post by skip on Jun 14, 2016 0:26:37 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 14, 2016 4:56:31 GMT
Reports are now emerging the shooter was actually a regular at the club and had his own profile on gay dating websites so it appears he couldn't deal with the ramifications of his own sexuality.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 14, 2016 7:34:22 GMT
Reports are now emerging the shooter was actually a regular at the club and had his own profile on gay dating websites so it appears he couldn't deal with the ramifications of his own sexuality. The result of self loathing from having a bigotted father? Makes more sense than the flimsy Isis stuff. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03y8t72?ocid=socialflow_facebook
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Post by themistocles on Jun 14, 2016 7:38:25 GMT
Reports are now emerging the shooter was actually a regular at the club and had his own profile on gay dating websites so it appears he couldn't deal with the ramifications of his own sexuality. The result of self loathing from having a bigotted father? Makes more sense than the flimsy Isis stuff. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03y8t72?ocid=socialflow_facebookIt was Isis inspired.. he contacted the police during the attack and preached Allah snack bar and said this was for the isis leader who died a few weeks back.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 14, 2016 9:27:02 GMT
It was Isis inspired.. he contacted the police during the attack and preached Allah snack bar and said this was for the isis leader who died a few weeks back. 49 deaths 100% Isis inspired. Absolutely no other contributing factors whatsoever.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 14, 2016 10:32:17 GMT
It was Isis inspired.. he contacted the police during the attack and preached Allah snack bar and said this was for the isis leader who died a few weeks back. Some people can not accept what the evidence confirms, he himself said it was in the name of ISIS whilst slaughtering innocent people, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but some still can not accept the facts, it is his fathers fault WTF piss poor excuse from the apologist lobby again.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 14, 2016 13:43:46 GMT
Reports are now emerging the shooter was actually a regular at the club and had his own profile on gay dating websites so it appears he couldn't deal with the ramifications of his own sexuality. I wonder if his father has changed his views on gay people in light of this news ?.
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Post by monksnun on Jun 14, 2016 15:27:11 GMT
If God is their creator then surely he must have created gay people too. If you work on their logic that gay people are imperfect or corrupted then God cant be perfect either which renders him unworthy of worship. Infact he dosnt exist which makes the whole bunch of them imperfect. All religion is a nonsense. It's a disgrace we have religious education in schools, the ultimate misnomer. The sooner religion is identified as the problem the better
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Post by themistocles on Jun 14, 2016 15:44:56 GMT
If God is their creator then surely he must have created gay people too. If you work on their logic that gay people are imperfect or corrupted then God cant be perfect either which renders him unworthy of worship. Infact he dosnt exist which makes the whole bunch of them imperfect. All religion is a nonsense. It's a disgrace we have religious education in schools, the ultimate misnomer. The sooner religion is identified as the problem the better The left will never blame or denounce anything Islamic, ironic considering how its an extreme conservative religion. They'd first blame trump, gun laws, the wests policies against islam, Jews, Israel or preach fucking conspiracy theory.. Its pathetic watching them squirm and make up any ridiculous apologist excuse But they'll creat a hashtag, attend a virgil in a square, preach peace just like last time and will do he same again when it happens again and again...
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 14, 2016 17:25:48 GMT
It was Isis inspired.. he contacted the police during the attack and preached Allah snack bar and said this was for the isis leader who died a few weeks back. Some people can not accept what the evidence confirms, he himself said it was in the name of ISIS whilst slaughtering innocent people, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but some still can not accept the facts, it is his fathers fault WTF piss poor excuse from the apologist lobby again. Didn't he also mention the Boston bombers?
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Post by blurtonboy on Jun 14, 2016 17:30:33 GMT
If God is their creator then surely he must have created gay people too. If you work on their logic that gay people are imperfect or corrupted then God cant be perfect either which renders him unworthy of worship. Infact he dosnt exist which makes the whole bunch of them imperfect. Like the highlighted bits, the world is just frootlooped.
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Post by Moosehead on Jun 14, 2016 17:32:37 GMT
Some people can not accept what the evidence confirms, he himself said it was in the name of ISIS whilst slaughtering innocent people, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but some still can not accept the facts, it is his fathers fault WTF piss poor excuse from the apologist lobby again. Didn't he also mention the Boston bombers? I did hear that. Didn't he just praise pretty much any 'successful' anti-Western terrorists?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 14, 2016 17:39:25 GMT
It was Isis inspired.. he contacted the police during the attack and preached Allah snack bar and said this was for the isis leader who died a few weeks back. Some people can not accept what the evidence confirms, he himself said it was in the name of ISIS whilst slaughtering innocent people, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but some still can not accept the facts, it is his fathers fault WTF piss poor excuse from the apologist lobby again. So you just accept anything that ISIS that says? You believe everything they say, without any fact-checking? You sound ripe for radicalisation.
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Post by desman2 on Jun 14, 2016 17:42:11 GMT
Who says he was mentally ill. He's walked into a club with an assault rifle and murdered 49 people, and wounded another 60+. If you need somebody to provide a source for proof that he's mentally ill, you might want to have a long, hard think about your own mental health. Theres clinical mental health and ideological mental state. Which was he. If hes acted on his beliefs as part of a religion then to him and many like him its what he should be doing. My mental state is fine thanks. Ive not gone out and done something like this which means im stable both health wise and ideologically.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 14, 2016 17:43:15 GMT
Some people can not accept what the evidence confirms, he himself said it was in the name of ISIS whilst slaughtering innocent people, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but some still can not accept the facts, it is his fathers fault WTF piss poor excuse from the apologist lobby again. So you just accept anything that ISIS that says? You believe everything they say, without any fact-checking? You sound ripe for radicalisation. Are you trolling me ?.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 14, 2016 17:50:44 GMT
So you just accept anything that ISIS that says? You believe everything they say, without any fact-checking? You sound ripe for radicalisation. Are you trolling me ?. Sorry, did I interrupt your radicalisation process
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 14, 2016 18:00:16 GMT
Reports are now emerging the shooter was actually a regular at the club and had his own profile on gay dating websites so it appears he couldn't deal with the ramifications of his own sexuality. I wonder if his father has changed his views on gay people in light of this news ?. I doubt it, the interview I saw with his father something strange about it, he was saying the “right” things but to me didn't seem any real conviction or feeling behind it.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 14, 2016 18:27:27 GMT
Didn't he also mention the Boston bombers? I did hear that. Didn't he just praise pretty much any 'successful' anti-Western terrorists? Including Hezbollah. Shiite and enemies of ISIS.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jun 14, 2016 19:10:40 GMT
Clearly a deeply troubled man. Abusive to his wife, repressed homosexual desires, brought up in an ultra-conservative family, and a past littered with incidents illustrating his serious anger management issues. Trying to blame Islam, the religion as a whole, for what he did is ridiculous and incredibly short-sighted.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 14, 2016 19:20:00 GMT
He's walked into a club with an assault rifle and murdered 49 people, and wounded another 60+. If you need somebody to provide a source for proof that he's mentally ill, you might want to have a long, hard think about your own mental health. Theres clinical mental health and ideological mental state. Which was he. If hes acted on his beliefs as part of a religion then to him and many like him its what he should be doing. My mental state is fine thanks. Ive not gone out and done something like this which means im stable both health wise and ideologically. From everything I'm reading, this had very little to do with ISIS, although I'm sure they are delighted to take the credit. Was it religiously motivated? Perhaps in part, but it doesn't even appear as though this guy was a devout, practicing Muslim and it's more likely a result of some deep seated personal issues. Whatever his motivation, it's apparent that there are some psychological issues involved when he decided to execute 49 people in cold blood.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 14, 2016 20:15:35 GMT
Theres clinical mental health and ideological mental state. Which was he. If hes acted on his beliefs as part of a religion then to him and many like him its what he should be doing. My mental state is fine thanks. Ive not gone out and done something like this which means im stable both health wise and ideologically. From everything I'm reading, this had very little to do with ISIS, although I'm sure they are delighted to take the credit. Was it religiously motivated? Perhaps in part, but it doesn't even appear as though this guy was a devout, practicing Muslim and it's more likely a result of some deep seated personal issues. Whatever his motivation, it's apparent that there are some psychological issues involved when he decided to execute 49 people in cold blood. Reports are now his wife was fully aware of his plans and visited sites with him but she only tried to talk him out of it rather than inform the police, if this is true hope she is charged as an accessory, wouldn't surprise me if it comes out that the father knew too
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 14, 2016 20:22:11 GMT
From everything I'm reading, this had very little to do with ISIS, although I'm sure they are delighted to take the credit. Was it religiously motivated? Perhaps in part, but it doesn't even appear as though this guy was a devout, practicing Muslim and it's more likely a result of some deep seated personal issues. Whatever his motivation, it's apparent that there are some psychological issues involved when he decided to execute 49 people in cold blood. Reports are now his wife was fully aware of his plans and visited sites with him but she only tried to talk him out of it rather than inform the police, if this is true hope she is charged as an accessory, wouldn't surprise me if it comes out that the father knew too No surprise really they like to keep these things in-house, wonder if she knew he was a closet gay.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 14, 2016 20:23:28 GMT
Sorry, did I interrupt your radicalisation process Troll go bother someone else weirdo.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 14, 2016 21:24:55 GMT
Some people can not accept what the evidence confirms, he himself said it was in the name of ISIS whilst slaughtering innocent people, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but some still can not accept the facts, it is his fathers fault WTF piss poor excuse from the apologist lobby again. Didn't he also mention the Boston bombers? Was it bombers or bummers?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 14, 2016 21:37:00 GMT
Didn't he also mention the Boston bombers? Was it bombers or bummers? Were the Boston tea party boy's also Muslim per chance ?
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2016 3:12:55 GMT
Who says he was mentally ill. He's walked into a club with an assault rifle and murdered 49 people, and wounded another 60+. If you need somebody to provide a source for proof that he's mentally ill, you might want to have a long, hard think about your own mental health. So every concert hall shooter, marketplace suicide bomber and makeshift pilot of lethally errant aeroplanes is just "mentally ill" then? That's extremely naive. Clear-thinking people kill other people for ideological reasons all the time. Every day in fact.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 15, 2016 10:55:01 GMT
I wouldn't say they are "just" mentally ill but I think it's fair to say anyone who feels compelled to carry out kind of action has more than a few screws loose.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 15, 2016 13:51:33 GMT
I wouldn't say they are "just" mentally ill but I think it's fair to say anyone who feels compelled to carry out kind of action has more than a few screws loose. Or just following their religious beliefs/teachings.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 15, 2016 17:45:34 GMT
I wouldn't say they are "just" mentally ill but I think it's fair to say anyone who feels compelled to carry out kind of action has more than a few screws loose. Or just following their religious beliefs/teachings. Perhaps - but the vast majority of mass shootings in the USA are not religiously motivated, nor do they have anything whatsoever to do with Islamic terrorism. Sorry if that doesn't suit your agenda, but it's a fact.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 15, 2016 18:39:36 GMT
For me I have no problem considering the Orlando shootings as a crime against the LGBT community, maybe against western values and the actions of a lone tormented man who had problems dealing with his own identity and his relationship with his father and peers. All of those and a crime aginst humanity. Personally I would not call it a mental health issue because for me that term has other implications and is a definition which encompasses other considerations. It may be different in America. The main thing that we all agree on is that many families lives have changed irretrievably, innocent people have died unnecessarily and there are no winners. The links with Islam have been discussed many times on the Oatcake. Always having to qualify what you say for me the vast majority of Muslims that I have met and know are peace loving and clearly would not carry out such atrocities. But I believe that there is a problem with the ideology which does conflict with the West, and often puts the peace loving Muslims in a dilemma. In my experience, quite rightly you could argue, they have come down on the side of Allah , which you can understand. I believe that it is a problem we have to address sooner or later and the solution lies within the Muslim community itself. We don't want reactionary right wing thugs taking action on the streets. I post the links below just to illustrate my point about the incompatibility of the ideology and the western values of tolerance and freedom of thought and belief; www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5966/crime-muslim-worldwww.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/26/pakistani-husbands-can-lightly-beat-their-wives-islamic-council-says/And its a problem for those who want to accept and support the rights of Islam AND homosexuality dailym.ai/1YosfXw
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