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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 13, 2016 15:44:55 GMT
the death toll is the fault of the gun laws- 50 people with something bought over the counter Did gun laws prevent the bataclan shootings ? Of course gun laws didn't prevent the Bataclan shootings. If terrorists want to get a hold of guns, they will find a way, but mass shootings in France and other countries with strict gun controls are extremely rare incidents. In the US, the are occurring on a daily basis. Let's not try to pretend that doesn't have something to do with the fact that virtually anyone can legally purchase assault weapons over the counter. Surely nobody is that stupid that they can't connect the dots?
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jun 13, 2016 16:05:22 GMT
The Bataclan shootings happened because France has open borders and just drove the weapons across Europe.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 17:42:22 GMT
The Bataclan shootings happened because France has open borders and just drove the weapons across Europe. Nothing at all to do with Islamic terrorists then
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Post by themistocles on Jun 13, 2016 17:56:45 GMT
This attack is fuelled by Islamic homophobia, the suspects father has just quoted that his son shouldn't of killed those gays as they will be punished by god for being gay.
52 % of British Muslims (majority) believe being homosexual should be banned and illegal, not frowned upon, made ILLEGAL. This is in a country where the majority of Muslims are moderate...
Anyone who thinks there isn't a problem with homosexuality in Islam is in cuckoo land
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jun 13, 2016 18:40:51 GMT
This attack is fuelled by Islamic homophobia, the suspects father has just quoted that his son shouldn't of killed those gays as they will be punished by god for being gay.
52 % of British Muslims (majority) believe being homosexual should be banned and illegal, not frowned upon, made ILLEGAL. This is in a country where the majority of Muslims are moderate...
Anyone who thinks there isn't a problem with homosexuality in Islam is in cuckoo land
As someone who lives in the US I would say that this is serious a problem with the christian community here as well.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 13, 2016 19:10:21 GMT
I bet you were praying to god that the terrorist was a white Christian weren't you ? Just to suit your naïve pathetic liberal agenda No I wasn't you bloody fool.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 13, 2016 19:11:28 GMT
This attack is fuelled by Islamic homophobia, the suspects father has just quoted that his son shouldn't of killed those gays as they will be punished by god for being gay.
52 % of British Muslims (majority) believe being homosexual should be banned and illegal, not frowned upon, made ILLEGAL. This is in a country where the majority of Muslims are moderate...
Anyone who thinks there isn't a problem with homosexuality in Islam is in cuckoo land
And there are of plenty of white christian folk who share the same views.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 19:26:13 GMT
This attack is fuelled by Islamic homophobia, the suspects father has just quoted that his son shouldn't of killed those gays as they will be punished by god for being gay.
52 % of British Muslims (majority) believe being homosexual should be banned and illegal, not frowned upon, made ILLEGAL. This is in a country where the majority of Muslims are moderate...
Anyone who thinks there isn't a problem with homosexuality in Islam is in cuckoo land
And there are of plenty of white christian folk who share the same views. Very likely however do they carry out mass murder because of their religious views and beliefs ?, do they align themselves with jihadist butchers ?, I notice ISIS have claimed responsibility for yet another act of cowardly slaughter on western people.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 13, 2016 19:27:21 GMT
And there are of plenty of white christian folk who share the same views. Very likely however do they carry out mass murder because of their religious views and beliefs ?, do they align themselves with jihadist butchers ?, I notice ISIS have claimed responsibility for yet another act of cowardly slaughter of western people. Well....yes they do. Do your research.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 19:30:38 GMT
Very likely however do they carry out mass murder because of their religious views and beliefs ?, do they align themselves with jihadist butchers ?, I notice ISIS have claimed responsibility for yet another act of cowardly slaughter of western people. Well....yes they do. Do your research. Do you have a meme for that, any thoughts on the ISIS link prior to and after the terrorist attack took place ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 13, 2016 19:44:51 GMT
Well....yes they do. Do your research. Do you have a meme for that, any thoughts on the ISIS link prior to and after the terrorist attack took place ? No I don't. Just google "the holocaust" Hope this helps.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 13, 2016 20:31:57 GMT
If this is true , it does not help matters though; An Islamic scholar who spoke earlier this year at an Orlando mosque has previously said gay people should be killed according to Islamic law “out of compassion.” “Death is the sentence,” Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar said at a speech at the Husseini Islamic Center in Orlando in 2013. “We know. There’s nothing to be embarrassed about this. Death is the sentence.” m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/farrokh-sekaleshfar-imam-speaking-orlando-said-gay/
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 13, 2016 20:39:13 GMT
What right has one human being got to suggest and incite the summarily murder of other innocent people.It. does not help the acceptanceof peaceful Muslims
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2016 20:50:01 GMT
Do you have a meme for that, any thoughts on the ISIS link prior to and after the terrorist attack took place ? No I don't. Just google "the holocaust" Hope this helps..... 50 people died yesterday. Your reaction to people suggesting that the killer's homophobia may have been driven at least in part by a particularly fundamental interpretation of Islam is "yeah but... what about the Holocaust"? Do you think this is a useful point to be making right now?
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Post by desman2 on Jun 13, 2016 20:54:46 GMT
If God is their creator then surely he must have created gay people too. If you work on their logic that gay people are imperfect or corrupted then God cant be perfect either which renders him unworthy of worship. Infact he dosnt exist which makes the whole bunch of them imperfect.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 13, 2016 20:59:21 GMT
No I don't. Just google "the holocaust" Hope this helps..... 50 people died yesterday. Your reaction to people suggesting that the killer's homophobia may have been driven at least in part by a particularly fundamental interpretation of Islam is "yeah but... what about the Holocaust"? Do you think this is a useful point to be making right now? Blunt I admit but often needed when dealing with the crapslinger. You're also quoting me out of context.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2016 21:13:54 GMT
50 people died yesterday. Your reaction to people suggesting that the killer's homophobia may have been driven at least in part by a particularly fundamental interpretation of Islam is "yeah but... what about the Holocaust"? Do you think this is a useful point to be making right now? Blunt I admit but often needed when dealing with the crapslinger. You're also quoting me out of context. Well in the context of the killing of 50 people by someone who apparently has links with fundamentalist Islam, a summary of your input in this thread is: A.N.Other: "Homophobia is a problem in mainstream Islam, and this fuelled the motives of the killer" You: "There's homophobia among white Christians too" A.N.Other: "Do they carry out mass killings because of it though?" You: "The Holocaust" Is that fair? Just seems like a completely desultory distraction from the point at hand, and a pretty insulting one given yesterday's events to be honest.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 21:24:14 GMT
Do you have a meme for that, any thoughts on the ISIS link prior to and after the terrorist attack took place ? No I don't. Just google "the holocaust" Hope this helps..... Oh dear another own goal from the chief apologist himself, you Sir are a complete and utter joke have you thought about what you have posted disgraceful, a ban should be in order ( highly doubtful in your case of course) or delete your account if you have any decency left.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 21:26:32 GMT
Blunt I admit but often needed when dealing with the crapslinger. You're also quoting me out of context. Well in the context of the killing of 50 people by someone who apparently has links with fundamentalist Islam, a summary of your input in this thread is: A.N.Other: "Homophobia is a problem in mainstream Islam, and this fuelled the motives of the killer" You: "There's homophobia among white Christians too" A.N.Other: "Do they carry out mass killings because of it though?" You: "The Holocaust" Is that fair? Just seems like a completely desultory distraction from the point at hand, and a pretty insulting one given yesterday's events to be honest. He is a desperate apologist with no credibility, he should be banned but I doubt that will happen given his past history on here.
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Post by skip on Jun 13, 2016 21:31:19 GMT
No. To me there's a difference between someone funded, trained and armed by an Islamic extremist group, and a lone gunman who is a Muslim. Otherwise, assuming most of the shootings in the US are carried out by Christian (with it being a Christian country), then most US murders involving guns are committed by Christian fundamentalists. ISIS have claimed responsibility you daft apologist, he is one of their" soldiers" or as I would say one of their cowardly barbaric sick bastards, the only good terrorist is a dead one. I'm honestly not so sure he was. Mentally ill man with a gun kills people in gay nightclub. Daesh claim he's one of them for propaganda purposes. There is no evidence to say he is whatsoever. This is a homophobic mass shooting IMHO and it suits both sides of the argument to say it's terrorist related. Think about it, those murderous conniving bastards get global news coverage without lifting a finger. The pro-gun lobby say he's a terrorist. No one wants to believe he's just a hateful paranoid yank homophobic gun toting cunt. And before anyone starts about Islam and homophobia, I've been on the Oatcake for the thick end of twenty years and whilst it's got better in the recent past, it's hardly been the last bastion of sexual tolerance, in fact there's a small number of people who post regularly on here who use such homophobic language as a common insult it's positively unhinged. Or closeted. And you know who you are.
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Post by desman2 on Jun 13, 2016 21:35:02 GMT
Who says he was mentally ill.
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Post by skip on Jun 13, 2016 21:38:53 GMT
Who says he was mentally ill. His ex-wife, who to be fair probably knows him better than anyone else. "13 June 2016 Last updated at 05:42 BST The man responsible for killing 49 people and wounding 53 at at a gay nightclub in Florida has been described by his ex-wife as abusive, "mentally unstable" and "disturbed"."
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2016 21:41:47 GMT
Well in the context of the killing of 50 people by someone who apparently has links with fundamentalist Islam, a summary of your input in this thread is: A.N.Other: "Homophobia is a problem in mainstream Islam, and this fuelled the motives of the killer" You: "There's homophobia among white Christians too" A.N.Other: "Do they carry out mass killings because of it though?" You: "The Holocaust" Is that fair? Just seems like a completely desultory distraction from the point at hand, and a pretty insulting one given yesterday's events to be honest. He is a desperate apologist with no credibility, he should be banned but I doubt that will happen given his past history on here. I have no interest in the history of whatever spat you and he have, I'm just responding to points in this thread
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 13, 2016 21:51:07 GMT
ISIS have claimed responsibility you daft apologist, he is one of their" soldiers" or as I would say one of their cowardly barbaric sick bastards, the only good terrorist is a dead one. I'm honestly not so sure he was. Mentally ill man with a gun kills people in gay nightclub. Daesh claim he's one of them for propaganda purposes. There is no evidence to say he is whatsoever. This is a homophobic mass shooting IMHO and it suits both sides of the argument to say it's terrorist related. Think about it, those murderous conniving bastards get global news coverage without lifting a finger. The pro-gun lobby say he's a terrorist. No one wants to believe he's just a hateful paranoid yank homophobic gun toting cunt. And before anyone starts about Islam and homophobia, I've been on the Oatcake for the thick end of twenty years and whilst it's got better in the recent past, it's hardly been the last bastion of sexual tolerance, in fact there's a small number of people who post regularly on here who use such homophobic language as a common insult it's positively unhinged. Or closeted. And you know who you are. absolutely, the homophobic and gun law elements to this seem much stronger than the radical Islam element at the moment
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 21:53:46 GMT
Who says he was mentally ill. His ex-wife, who to be fair probably knows him better than anyone else. "13 June 2016 Last updated at 05:42 BST The man responsible for killing 49 people and wounding 53 at at a gay nightclub in Florida has been described by his ex-wife as abusive, "mentally unstable" and "disturbed"." Apart from his parents you may be right, his father has already commented on what he believes, makes interesting reading on the thoughts of a Muslim about gay people, mentally ill or a mal adjusted follower of Islam and it's teachings ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 21:56:31 GMT
He is a desperate apologist with no credibility, he should be banned but I doubt that will happen given his past history on here. I have no interest in the history of whatever spat you and he have, I'm just responding to points in this thread Fair point no problem, I agree with you he is totally out of order with the comments he has made.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 13, 2016 23:09:51 GMT
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Post by skip on Jun 13, 2016 23:52:46 GMT
"Rather than focusing on the Orlando shooter’s religion, let’s focus on his employer, G4S for a minute: /photo/1
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 14, 2016 0:07:54 GMT
Who says he was mentally ill. He's walked into a club with an assault rifle and murdered 49 people, and wounded another 60+. If you need somebody to provide a source for proof that he's mentally ill, you might want to have a long, hard think about your own mental health.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Jun 14, 2016 0:16:47 GMT
R.I.P.
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