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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 12, 2016 19:14:31 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jun 12, 2016 19:16:55 GMT
That's irrelevant IF IF IF this is not a normal homocide and an act of terrorism I've just been speaking to my pal in Virginia. He says gun control can stop the loonies but has no chance against terrorists (It's also a bit skewed because most of those countries don't allow people to buy guns like USA)
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 12, 2016 21:13:02 GMT
That's irrelevant IF IF IF this is not a normal homocide and an act of terrorism I've just been speaking to my pal in Virginia. He says gun control can stop the loonies but has no chance against terrorists (It's also a bit skewed because most of those countries don't allow people to buy guns like USA) ISIS claiming responsibility, oh dear more apologists home grown and American shot down in flames.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 12, 2016 21:15:26 GMT
Not relevant to the topic Sir, proved wrong again ! never mind end of term report must do better
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 12, 2016 23:06:30 GMT
Would never have Switzerland down as second on that list.
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Post by samba :) on Jun 12, 2016 23:08:05 GMT
Would never have Switzerland down as second on that list. 7.7 per million is still nothing
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 12, 2016 23:33:33 GMT
Would never have Switzerland down as second on that list. 7.7 per million is still nothing It's still 7.7 lives. Mind you I guess the .7 must have had a few parts missing.
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Post by serpico on Jun 13, 2016 6:39:29 GMT
I don't see why people are raising the gun control issue after this incident, france has a blanket ban on all guns but it didn't stop the paris massacre. The same amount of people were killed in london in 2005 by explosive devices and not firearms, i don't see why people are focussing on the methods which were employed here, i'm not saying there's not a debate to be had about guns in the US but this smacks of opportunism by the anti gun lobby. It might be better to focus on finding out why these people do such sickening things.
I'm open to correction on this but i don't think the murder rates in the UK changed after the gun ban was introduced ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 8:22:50 GMT
What is happening to the world we live in?
I couldnt care less what somebody else wants to do with their life. His father says this wasn't an act of religion, he was just upset after he saw two men kissing? WHO CARES? If you don't like it look the other way. The only positive to come from this, if there indeed is one its that the cunt who needlessly took those lives is dead.
May he rot in hell.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 13, 2016 9:19:07 GMT
I bet you were praying to god that the terrorist was a white Christian weren't you ? Just to suit your naïve pathetic liberal agenda
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Post by themistocles on Jun 13, 2016 9:23:25 GMT
What is happening to the world we live in? I couldnt care less what somebody else wants to do with their life. His father says this wasn't an act of religion, he was just upset after he saw two men kissing? WHO CARES? If you don't like it look the other way. The only positive to come from this, if there indeed is one its that the cunt who needlessly took those lives is dead. May he rot in hell. His father was a Taliban sympathizer, I wonder were his ideology came from. Ofcourse he's going to say it's nothing to do the religion, only the naive know otherwise
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 13, 2016 10:07:55 GMT
With 11,208 gun homicides I would say gun crime is right up there with Islamic terrorism. The widespread use of guns kills much more people on US soil than Islamic terrorism ever has, although of course Islamic extremism is a global problem. I think both issues need dealing with, although I see only one issues being tackled with much energy. Just to be sure, has anyone actually said this shooting is part of Islamic extremism or is it a lone Muslim nutter? Same thing isn't it No. To me there's a difference between someone funded, trained and armed by an Islamic extremist group, and a lone gunman who is a Muslim. Otherwise, assuming most of the shootings in the US are carried out by Christian (with it being a Christian country), then most US murders involving guns are committed by Christian fundamentalists.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 11:00:03 GMT
Not relevant to the topic Sir, proved wrong again ! never mind end of term report must do better Excellent statistics! The end of term report reads: Sickness prevents progress being made at a sensible rate. Must learn to respect his fellow classmates more and not find bogus excuses to inflict harm on them!
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 11:16:00 GMT
No. To me there's a difference between someone funded, trained and armed by an Islamic extremist group, and a lone gunman who is a Muslim. Otherwise, assuming most of the shootings in the US are carried out by Christian (with it being a Christian country), then most US murders involving guns are committed by Christian fundamentalists. ISIS have claimed responsibility you daft apologist, he is one of their" soldiers" or as I would say one of their cowardly barbaric sick bastards, the only good terrorist is a dead one.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 13, 2016 11:18:20 GMT
Any of us could get a weapon and kill someone.I could get a knife today and stab a couple of people. A car can become a weapon. For me it is partly about tolerance and freedom, particularly when cultures and ideologies clash.Many fundamental Christian groups are anti gay. What seems to be the difference is that some groups of people still feel it is legitimate and their right to take the law in their own hands and to kill those who are doing something or are someone that they don't agree with.
The ideology of Islam , whether influencing a rogue operator or a mass movement, causes problems for those who advocate tolerance of others' beliefs , when those beliefs clash with other rights such as those of the LGBT community or Western values. Those people who advocate for Islam usually favour talking , understanding and a liberal approach. Unfortunately the extreme wing of Islam does not buy into this. I've no idea what the answer is , but have always believed that part of it has got to come from Islam itself putting its own house in order....but this is probably pie in the sky as "legitimate" states, with whom we have friendly relations, espouse the same values , eg Saudi Arabia
( Can a parallel can be drawn with the Klu Klux Klan being a Christian organisation which eventually " supposedly" has been ostracised and outlawed)
One thing I am sure of which we can agree on, none of those innocent people deserved to die,families destroyed for life for absolutely no purpose
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jun 13, 2016 11:18:41 GMT
No. To me there's a difference between someone funded, trained and armed by an Islamic extremist group, and a lone gunman who is a Muslim. Otherwise, assuming most of the shootings in the US are carried out by Christian (with it being a Christian country), then most US murders involving guns are committed by Christian fundamentalists. More shootings in America involve toddlers than terrorists.
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Post by liamo on Jun 13, 2016 11:33:23 GMT
How can anyone say the US doesn't have a gun problem? A man known to the FBI, interviewed 3 times over 2 years and on a no fly list was able to purchase a high powered rifle and a semi-auto pistol legally with nobody batting an eye, Obama himself says he can not take on the NRA and win
Gun toting US citizens always find ways to skirt round the issue, if he was white it would be mental health problems, if he's brown it's terrorism, if he's black it would be "well they're all criminals *insert racial slurs here*" but most mass casualty events have one thing in common, legally bought and owned rifles
You have to look at it objectively, there's no way to monitor or control mental nutjobs of any religion or race that have sick thoughts and keep them to themselves while still intending to act on them, there is a way of controlling guns but the US public reject those suggestions straight off, until things change regarding gun laws these mass shootings will continue
ISIS are scum, the Taliban are scum, all terrorist cells are scum, Muslims are not scum, some on here might say ISIS and Muslims are one and the same but they're not, a nutjob pledging allegiance to ISIS killed 50 innocents, ISIS have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims in Syria and Iraq that refuse to go along with their sick ideology, the west hating Muslims is exactly what ISIS wants and needs
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 11:54:17 GMT
How can anyone say the US doesn't have a gun problem? A man known to the FBI, interviewed 3 times over 2 years and on a no fly list was able to purchase a high powered rifle and a semi-auto pistol legally with nobody batting an eye, Obama himself says he can not take on the NRA and win Gun toting US citizens always find ways to skirt round the issue, if he was white it would be mental health problems, if he's brown it's terrorism, if he's black it would be "well they're all criminals *insert racial slurs here*" but most mass casualty events have one thing in common, legally bought and owned rifles You have to look at it objectively, there's no way to monitor or control mental nutjobs of any religion or race that have sick thoughts and keep them to themselves while still intending to act on them, there is a way of controlling guns but the US public reject those suggestions straight off, until things change regarding gun laws these mass shootings will continue ISIS are scum, the Taliban are scum, all terrorist cells are scum, Muslims are not scum, some on here might say ISIS and Muslims are one and the same but they're not, a nutjob pledging allegiance to ISIS killed 50 innocents, ISIS have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims in Syria and Iraq that refuse to go along with their sick ideology, the west hating Muslims is exactly what ISIS wants and needs Eminently, sensible and correct! In many states/cities there are no controls on the number and/or type of guns that can be owned! For a country that prides itself on being a civilised, predominantly Christian country what a terrible shame.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 13, 2016 13:11:37 GMT
I don't see why people are raising the gun control issue after this incident, france has a blanket ban on all guns but it didn't stop the paris massacre. The same amount of people were killed in london in 2005 by explosive devices and not firearms, i don't see why people are focussing on the methods which were employed here, i'm not saying there's not a debate to be had about guns in the US but this smacks of opportunism by the anti gun lobby. It might be better to focus on finding out why these people do such sickening things. I'm open to correction on this but i don't think the murder rates in the UK changed after the gun ban was introduced ? If you can't see why the gun control issue is being raised, I suggest you take a look at the amount of mass shooting that take place in the US each year. Seven in the last week alone. It's become a daily occurrence. There is no reason why any human being should be entitled to legally own an assault rifle. None. Zero. This guy walked into a nightclub and shot 120 people. With an AR-15 assault rifle that was legally purchased. To inflict that damage, he had to reload his mag only once. Just think about that before you question why people have an issue with the current gun control laws.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 13, 2016 13:32:43 GMT
Nobody is saying the US gun laws are correct, in fact the opposite. But to flat out put all the blame on the gun laws and not the Islamist fundamentalist is pathetic.
It's predictable by the liberals who stop at nothing to excuse Islam, instead deciding to blame trump, Jew's or preach fucking conspiracy theories..
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 13, 2016 13:48:40 GMT
Nobody is saying the US gun laws are correct, in fact the opposite. But to flat out put all the blame on the gun laws and not the Islamist fundamentalist is pathetic. It's predictable by the liberals who stop at nothing to excuse Islam, instead deciding to blame trump, Jew's or preach fucking conspiracy theories.. He claimed he did it for ISIS they have claimed responsibility however it is all the fault of US gun laws!!!!, yes of course it is NOT.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 13, 2016 14:28:11 GMT
Nobody is saying the US gun laws are correct, in fact the opposite. But to flat out put all the blame on the gun laws and not the Islamist fundamentalist is pathetic. It's predictable by the liberals who stop at nothing to excuse Islam, instead deciding to blame trump, Jew's or preach fucking conspiracy theories.. He claimed he did it for ISIS they have claimed responsibility however it is all the fault of US gun laws!!!!, yes of course it is NOT. the death toll is the fault of the gun laws- 50 people with something bought over the counter
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 14:31:02 GMT
I don't see why people are raising the gun control issue after this incident, france has a blanket ban on all guns but it didn't stop the paris massacre. The same amount of people were killed in london in 2005 by explosive devices and not firearms, i don't see why people are focussing on the methods which were employed here, i'm not saying there's not a debate to be had about guns in the US but this smacks of opportunism by the anti gun lobby. It might be better to focus on finding out why these people do such sickening things. I'm open to correction on this but i don't think the murder rates in the UK changed after the gun ban was introduced ? If you can't see why the gun control issue is being raised, I suggest you take a look at the amount of mass shooting that take place in the US each year. Seven in the last week alone. It's become a daily occurrence. There is no reason why any human being should be entitled to legally own an assault rifle. None. Zero. This guy walked into a nightclub and shot 120 people. With an AR-15 assault rifle that was legally purchased. To inflict that damage, he had to reload his mag only once. Just think about that before you question why people have an issue with the current gun control laws. I'm in SW Florida at the moment I come here three or four times a year, every time I arrive the news is always the same, full of shootings. It needs to change, Obama's tried But the NRA are to powerful. So easy to get gun's here, even the supermarket sells them Walmart even kiddies are getting shot at www.winknews.com/2016/06/12/just-in-7-year-old-girl-grazed-in-fort-myers-drive-by-shooting/ It's scary @ times.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 13, 2016 14:45:22 GMT
He claimed he did it for ISIS they have claimed responsibility however it is all the fault of US gun laws!!!!, yes of course it is NOT. the death toll is the fault of the gun laws- 50 people with something bought over the counter Did gun laws prevent the bataclan shootings ?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 13, 2016 15:21:41 GMT
the death toll is the fault of the gun laws- 50 people with something bought over the counter Did gun laws prevent the bataclan shootings ? Evidently not. But how many has it prevented? Just because a law can be broken does not indicate it never works. Do you think that there would be more or less fatal mass shootings in France or for that matter the UK if there were US style gun laws?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 15:25:59 GMT
the death toll is the fault of the gun laws- 50 people with something bought over the counter Did gun laws prevent the bataclan shootings ? This is a red herring! Having more guns in society increases the probability of criminal abuse and serious injury to innocent people. The French police, para-military and military have enough guns provided they have the intelligence to act. Escalation of violence is not a prevention of violence!
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Post by themistocles on Jun 13, 2016 15:27:23 GMT
Did gun laws prevent the bataclan shootings ? Evidently not. But how many has it prevented? Just because a law can be broken does not indicate it never works. Do you think that there would be more or less fatal mass shootings in France or for that matter the UK if there were US style gun laws? I don't agree at all with the US guns laws, I exampled Paris as the scum who committed the act accessed the weapons even with gun controls. The link between the two attacks are that they were committed by Islamic radicals and that is where the blame should lie... I have yet to hear any news outlet mention Islamic extremism as a cause for the attack, its pathetic ..
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Post by blurtonboy on Jun 13, 2016 15:27:37 GMT
A Gun Is For War, not to defend your home or to go shooting people up just enjoying themselves.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 15:34:34 GMT
Evidently not. But how many has it prevented? Just because a law can be broken does not indicate it never works. Do you think that there would be more or less fatal mass shootings in France or for that matter the UK if there were US style gun laws? I don't agree at all with the US guns laws, I exampled Paris as the scum who committed the act accessed the weapons even with gun controls. The link between the two attacks are that they were committed by Islamic radicals and that is where the blame should lie... I have yet to hear any news outlet mention Islamic extremism as a cause for the attack, its pathetic .. If you read President Obama's statement, he said it was a terrorist and a hate crime. IS claimed credit for the attack only after it had occurred and there is no evidence they had any involvement beforehand. There is no evidence that this was other than a lone wolf attack driven by the perpetrator's own personal circumstances. The F.B.I. are currently investigating further to ascertain the full facts.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 13, 2016 15:37:07 GMT
Evidently not. But how many has it prevented? Just because a law can be broken does not indicate it never works. Do you think that there would be more or less fatal mass shootings in France or for that matter the UK if there were US style gun laws? I don't agree at all with the US guns laws, I exampled Paris as the scum who committed the act accessed the weapons even with gun controls. The link between the two attacks are that they were committed by Islamic radicals and that is where the blame should lie... I have yet to hear any news outlet mention Islamic extremism as a cause for the attack, its pathetic .. the apparent link between those attacks, is indeed that the religion of the shooter the link between this attack and any of the other many mass shootings in the US is the gun laws
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