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Post by metalhead on May 3, 2016 13:30:21 GMT
Shaqiri shouldn't be going anywhere. He's probably contributed a similar amount to what Arnie did in his first season. Look at Arnie now? Comfortably our best player and perhaps one of the best in the league.
Give him another season, then let's judge. Top player in the making.
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Post by roostershair on May 3, 2016 14:07:21 GMT
I just have one thing to say .... Rome wasn't built in a day. And you can prove that can you?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 3, 2016 15:42:36 GMT
Definitely keep. I'm not sure he's ever been fully fit this season. He's had niggles and has had to adjust to the pace and physicality of this league.
There have been flashes of absolute brilliance: the Manchester City performance - turning players deep then driving to the box. The goals against Everton, the flip flap against Chelsea(?).
It's his passing that has amazed me though. When he's running with the ball his awareness of team mates movement and his ability to put the ball in space for them is unbelievable. The stuff us normal people in the stands can only dream about. His balls into the box for Glen Johnson v Chelsea and Arnie v Man City were goal makers. He's not passing to the man - he's putting the ball into a perfect dangerous position and inviting his team mates turn his vision and skill into goals.
I've said it before, the potential with this group is frightening. If we can keep Arnie, play a fit and sharp Bojan between him and Shaq with Imbula driving forward from midfield, we will be the team to watch next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 15:43:56 GMT
Can't believe this thread has so many pages.
The answer is keep. Why we would even contemplate getting rid of one of our best players after one season is beyond me.
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Post by humbersidepotter on May 4, 2016 12:59:24 GMT
Removing Shaqiri from the current squad given the likelihood of us losing Arnautovic as well this summer, would be like having a fight with somebody and deciding to punch ourselves in the face to help them. It's a no brainer, he brings too much flair for us to contemplate letting him go. Give him time, he'll come good. The goals against Everton and Newcastle are a clear indication of what the lad can bring to the table.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 4, 2016 13:20:34 GMT
keep shaq keep arnie and sign a proper target man who can get on the end of things ... and happy days :-)
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Post by monksnun on May 4, 2016 13:45:37 GMT
Keep. If and when Marko leaves he'll take on the mantle as our most influential player
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 14:02:17 GMT
This forum is filled with idiots, any player who goes on here must have a right laugh
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 4, 2016 14:52:16 GMT
Get rid.
If you're a massive spaz.
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Post by LDE76 on May 4, 2016 16:00:41 GMT
This forum is filled with idiots, any player who goes on here must have a right laugh Apart from Jeff Whitley. He left Stoke a broken man.
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Post by march4 on May 4, 2016 16:44:41 GMT
Is the transfer window open yet?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 4, 2016 19:04:58 GMT
Like I said on a previous thread about Shaqiri HES NOT A BLOODY WINGER.
Its fine starting him on the right but we should move him about during a game.
Let him drift into the middle and pick out runners. Swap him with arnie for 20 minutes. Get the right-back on the overlap to cross the ball in.
Our build up play is sooooo slow and predictable that by the time the ball reaches Shaqiri theres 2 players on him and he has no chance.
He hasnt played particularly well this season but I think he has some right to be pissed off with his teammates and how slowly they get the ball to him and expect him to beat the left-back and a packed defence every time.
Hes better in a fast paced game when hes running onto the ball, but he always gets it standing still on the touchline and is basically fucked for options.
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Post by pez75 on May 5, 2016 15:33:41 GMT
Is the transfer window open yet? You can fuck off to WBA any time you like, no need to wait until July...
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Post by joshthejournalist on May 6, 2016 12:52:35 GMT
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Post by kustokie on May 6, 2016 13:02:32 GMT
Like I said on a previous thread about Shaqiri HES NOT A BLOODY WINGER. Its fine starting him on the right but we should move him about during a game. Let him drift into the middle and pick out runners. Swap him with arnie for 20 minutes. Get the right-back on the overlap to cross the ball in. Our build up play is sooooo slow and predictable that by the time the ball reaches Shaqiri theres 2 players on him and he has no chance. He hasnt played particularly well this season but I think he has some right to be pissed off with his teammates and how slowly they get the ball to him and expect him to beat the left-back and a packed defence every time. Hes better in a fast paced game when hes running onto the ball, but he always gets it standing still on the touchline and is basically fucked for options. This is way too sensible - send Sparky a email!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:29:46 GMT
Shaqiri shouldn't be going anywhere. He's probably contributed a similar amount to what Arnie did in his first season. Look at Arnie now? Comfortably our best player and perhaps one of the best in the league. Give him another season, then let's judge. Top player in the making. Top post, completely right
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Post by reddipotter on May 6, 2016 14:09:10 GMT
Like I said on a previous thread about Shaqiri HES NOT A BLOODY WINGER. Its fine starting him on the right but we should move him about during a game. Let him drift into the middle and pick out runners. Swap him with arnie for 20 minutes. Get the right-back on the overlap to cross the ball in. Our build up play is sooooo slow and predictable that by the time the ball reaches Shaqiri theres 2 players on him and he has no chance. He hasnt played particularly well this season but I think he has some right to be pissed off with his teammates and how slowly they get the ball to him and expect him to beat the left-back and a packed defence every time. Hes better in a fast paced game when hes running onto the ball, but he always gets it standing still on the touchline and is basically fucked for options. Other than saying that where he is when he receives the ball is partly down to him, I agree entirely with your comments. You can see it, I can see it, and plenty of others can, too, so why on earth can't the coaching team??
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 6, 2016 14:57:16 GMT
In the Sunderland game he had a sizeable chunk of the right side to himself and just wasn't given the ball early enough. 3 occasions I can remember when we did get it to him he did what he does best, cut in but couldn't get the left foot working meaning he was shepherded into no mans land almost on to the left. Became predictable and he was kept quiet. If we could get the right back at pace in support we would be far more effective using the space on offer. Only one season in with him so any mutterings of departure are ridiculous.
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Post by chrisparker on May 6, 2016 15:02:17 GMT
Shaqiri shouldn't be going anywhere. He's probably contributed a similar amount to what Arnie did in his first season. Look at Arnie now? Comfortably our best player and perhaps one of the best in the league. Give him another season, then let's judge. Top player in the making. Arnie did fuck all in his first season. Shaq has certainly done more than that.
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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2016 15:13:22 GMT
Shaqiri shouldn't be going anywhere. He's probably contributed a similar amount to what Arnie did in his first season. Look at Arnie now? Comfortably our best player and perhaps one of the best in the league. Give him another season, then let's judge. Top player in the making. Arnie did fuck all in his first season. Shaq has certainly done more than that. Arnie blew hot and cold in his first season.... just like Shaqiri.
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Post by agingerstokie on May 23, 2016 10:19:42 GMT
Just you wait... next season we'll chanting "Shaqiri's on fire your defence is terrified"
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Post by happyending on May 23, 2016 10:45:51 GMT
In my opinion it is well written but the suggestion that he has been disappointing is a little harsh. When he has played he has looked industrious and creative with some delightful touches. He can beat a man and seems to have worked hard on getting to the byline and clipping it across with his right. Opponents often doubling up on him. He would possibly have a few more assists were it not for Stoke lacking finishers, and possibly a couple more goals if he had a more central role. I don't know many Stoke fans who expected double figures from him in terms of goalscoring and taking into account injuries and general poor team performances I don't think it was a disappointing first season at all.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 23, 2016 11:43:16 GMT
After saying get rid of Arnie after his first season I think it's wise not to be so certain! In small glimpses Shaq has showed that he has got potential, but every time he has started picking up some form he has got injured again. This makes me a little concerned of course, but I would at least give him a preseason and another season before making my mind up. There was a reason why Bayern M. bought him in the first place, so of course there is a good player in there. That said I expect much more of him than he has showed this season, because all in all that hasn't been up to a standard that can be expected so far.
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Post by Bick on May 23, 2016 11:55:21 GMT
A full pre-season and he'll be firing!
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 23, 2016 11:58:25 GMT
A full pre-season and he'll be firing! Is he going to get a full pre-season though?
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Post by OldStokie on May 23, 2016 12:07:26 GMT
Like I said on a previous thread about Shaqiri HES NOT A BLOODY WINGER. Its fine starting him on the right but we should move him about during a game. Let him drift into the middle and pick out runners. Swap him with arnie for 20 minutes. Get the right-back on the overlap to cross the ball in.Our build up play is sooooo slow and predictable that by the time the ball reaches Shaqiri theres 2 players on him and he has no chance. He hasnt played particularly well this season but I think he has some right to be pissed off with his teammates and how slowly they get the ball to him and expect him to beat the left-back and a packed defence every time. Hes better in a fast paced game when hes running onto the ball, but he always gets it standing still on the touchline and is basically fucked for options. This. In fact this sensible assessment could be applied to all three of our skilful front men: Shaq, Bojan and Arnie. When these three interchange, they're lethal. But keep them in a rigid system and opposition defences can mark them out of a game. OS.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 23, 2016 12:11:32 GMT
Why has this bag of wank thread been allowed to resurface.
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Post by Royal Donut on May 23, 2016 12:24:18 GMT
Not even played a full season, he watched from the stands while he still at another club against Liverpool. A preseason will do him good.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 23, 2016 12:35:32 GMT
This. In fact this sensible assessment could be applied to all three of our skilful front men: Shaq, Bojan and Arnie. When these three interchange, they're lethal. But keep them in a rigid system and opposition defences can mark them out of a game. OS. You can include Diouf & Imbula in that, too. Bojan comes deep to get the ball & drags his marker with him, Imbula charges on ahead into the space created, Shaqiri suddenly pops up on the left wing, Diouf has drifted out to the right & Arnie has gone up top. We'd pull opposition defences all over the shop.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 23, 2016 12:37:25 GMT
In my opinion it is well written but the suggestion that he has been disappointing is a little harsh. When he has played he has looked industrious and creative with some delightful touches. He can beat a man and seems to have worked hard on getting to the byline and clipping it across with his right. Opponents often doubling up on him. He would possibly have a few more assists were it not for Stoke lacking finishers, and possibly a couple more goals if he had a more central role. I don't know many Stoke fans who expected double figures from him in terms of goalscoring and taking into account injuries and general poor team performances I don't think it was a disappointing first season at all. Industrious? I'd go as far to say that he's one of the laziest players I've seen. He often makes Paul Stewart look busy. If he's delivering with the ball, that doesn't really matter but when he isn't, and he frequently hasn't, it does matter.
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