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Post by riproaring on Apr 11, 2016 1:19:20 GMT
Whelan missing no bite no one breaking the play
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 6:44:03 GMT
I should of said does it matter this season. With Whelan we still concede. Too much made of Whelan being out. To me we need a player of his type but who can get around the pitch quicker, especially if he is playing alongside Imbula who appears to give up too much when he's not on the ball. He's another one who needs a lot of work on pre-season. I was about to ask if we'd never been hammered when Whelan was playing. I agree with you, his importance is overstated. We need some oomph in midfield. Someone similar to Noble from West Ham or even Joe Allen. We are a pretty side at the moment but lack organization and devil. We could improve on him but his importance isn't understated because we have nobody close to him for that role in the squad at present. Yesterday highlighted that because off the ball Cameron didn't have a clue what to do and on it his over-excited forays forward left massive gaps.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 11, 2016 8:53:35 GMT
Joe Allen
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Post by milky on Apr 11, 2016 9:05:50 GMT
A younger Whelan upgrade is imperative as he ain't getting any younger and its blatantly obvious there is nobody in this squad with the nous to play what is a pivotal role.
Thank Christ Glen hasn't been one of the long term absentees this season.We sure as hell miss him when he doesn't play.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 11, 2016 9:07:27 GMT
I was about to ask if we'd never been hammered when Whelan was playing. I agree with you, his importance is overstated. We need some oomph in midfield. Someone similar to Noble from West Ham or even Joe Allen. We are a pretty side at the moment but lack organization and devil. We could improve on him but his importance isn't understated because we have nobody close to him for that role in the squad at present. Yesterday highlighted that because off the ball Cameron didn't have a clue what to do and on it his over-excited forays forward left massive gaps. Surely it can't be that hard to find someone who is prepared to be disciplined in midfield? I've defended Cameron on here loads of times, but I'm beginning to wonder if Bayern was right about him!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 11, 2016 9:08:45 GMT
Joe Allen What's wrong with him?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 9:09:51 GMT
We could improve on him but his importance isn't understated because we have nobody close to him for that role in the squad at present. Yesterday highlighted that because off the ball Cameron didn't have a clue what to do and on it his over-excited forays forward left massive gaps. Surely it can't be that hard to find someone who is prepared to be disciplined in midfield? I've defended Cameron on here loads of times, but I'm beginning to wonder if Bayern was right about him! If it's that easy why can nobody else at the club do it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2016 9:12:07 GMT
We could improve on him but his importance isn't understated because we have nobody close to him for that role in the squad at present. Yesterday highlighted that because off the ball Cameron didn't have a clue what to do and on it his over-excited forays forward left massive gaps. Surely it can't be that hard to find someone who is prepared to be disciplined in midfield? I've defended Cameron on here loads of times, but I'm beginning to wonder if Bayern was right about him! Of course I am. I like him in midfield but it's clear to see he can't play the DM role and has no discipline. It's why he struggled at right back, it's why he's no CB. For me if he plays midfield it'd have to be where Imbula does (another one).
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 11, 2016 9:17:28 GMT
Surely it can't be that hard to find someone who is prepared to be disciplined in midfield? I've defended Cameron on here loads of times, but I'm beginning to wonder if Bayern was right about him! If it's that easy why can nobody else at the club do it? Because it seems certain players cannot follow instructions(if, indeed Hughes tells one midfielder to sit). I wasn't knocking Whelan, I was saying that he should have an able deputy by now.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 9:32:41 GMT
If it's that easy why can nobody else at the club do it? Because it seems certain players cannot follow instructions(if, indeed Hughes tells one midfielder to sit). I wasn't knocking Whelan, I was saying that he should have an able deputy by now. You're always knocking Whelan!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 11, 2016 9:50:31 GMT
Because it seems certain players cannot follow instructions(if, indeed Hughes tells one midfielder to sit). I wasn't knocking Whelan, I was saying that he should have an able deputy by now. You're always knocking Whelan! Ha ha! I just don't think he's that good that we should be fucked without him. I know he's "the glue" and all that, but I think it's pretty poor that someone can't slot in when he's injured. What worries me with Stoke is how many times teams have overran us in midfield even when he has played. I don't know why it happens, but too often we have spells where teams are all over us. Is it the way we set up?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 9:53:30 GMT
You're always knocking Whelan! Ha ha! I just don't think he's that good that we should be fucked without him. I know he's "the glue" and all that, but I think it's pretty poor that someone can't slot in when he's injured. What worries me with Stoke is how many times teams have overran us in midfield even when he has played. I don't know why it happens, but too often we have spells where teams are all over us. Is it the way we set up? Who else tracks runners in midfield? Imbula should but doesn't, Afellay often doesn't, Shaqiri doesnt, Nzonzi often didn't. Arnje does but the rest of them are really slack in that regard.
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Post by adamsson on Apr 11, 2016 10:02:15 GMT
But we didn't, we conceded 4. Really poor? Yes. Worse in living memory? Please. Worst in the Premier League I said. Can't be far off, it really can't. well except the 5-0 defeat to Bolton and the 7-0 to Chelsea and 5-0 to ManU a couple of times Oh and 4-0 to Liverpool can't remember who was manager at the time
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 11, 2016 10:03:50 GMT
Ha ha! I just don't think he's that good that we should be fucked without him. I know he's "the glue" and all that, but I think it's pretty poor that someone can't slot in when he's injured. What worries me with Stoke is how many times teams have overran us in midfield even when he has played. I don't know why it happens, but too often we have spells where teams are all over us. Is it the way we set up? Who else tracks runners in midfield? Imbula should but doesn't, Afellay often doesn't, Shaqiri doesnt, Nzonzi often didn't. Arnje does but the rest of them are really slack in that regard. Do we need two sitters in midfield? Would it make sense to buy a new one in the summer and play Imbula OR Affellay in midfield?
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Post by metalhead on Apr 11, 2016 10:07:23 GMT
Joe Allen What's wrong with him? Played well I thought....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2016 10:20:23 GMT
Worst in the Premier League I said. Can't be far off, it really can't. well except the 5-0 defeat to Bolton and the 7-0 to Chelsea and 5-0 to ManU a couple of times Oh and 4-0 to Liverpool can't remember who was manager at the time We've conceded more obviously but at least a couple of those defeats you could put down to excellent opposition play. Liverpool weren't excellent in any way, they didn't have to be we were so fucking dreadful
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 11, 2016 10:26:08 GMT
Worst in the Premier League I said. Can't be far off, it really can't. well except the 5-0 defeat to Bolton and the 7-0 to Chelsea and 5-0 to ManU a couple of times Oh and 4-0 to Liverpool can't remember who was manager at the time You can't win. The goal posts will be moving.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 11, 2016 10:27:10 GMT
See the defence was excellent when we conceded 7.
I hope this mantra is upheld.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2016 10:28:01 GMT
well except the 5-0 defeat to Bolton and the 7-0 to Chelsea and 5-0 to ManU a couple of times Oh and 4-0 to Liverpool can't remember who was manager at the time You can't win. The goal posts will be moving. What did you think of the game Spiderman? I'm struggling to find an opinion as usual.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 10:30:25 GMT
Who else tracks runners in midfield? Imbula should but doesn't, Afellay often doesn't, Shaqiri doesnt, Nzonzi often didn't. Arnje does but the rest of them are really slack in that regard. Do we need two sitters in midfield? Would it make sense to buy a new one in the summer and play Imbula OR Affellay in midfield? You don't have to have two sitters, but your deeper two at least both have to have some semblance of awareness and willingness to get involved in defensive duties. Particularly if you're playing a number 10, which is pretty much a free role.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 11, 2016 10:37:17 GMT
You can't win. The goal posts will be moving. What did you think of the game Spiderman? I'm struggling to find an opinion as usual. Resort to type. You're as predictable as your are hypocritical, what was the name al bin summat? I hope the "if the opposition are good enough" mantra still applies at the weekend. Not holding my breath though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2016 10:41:23 GMT
What did you think of the game Spiderman? I'm struggling to find an opinion as usual. Resort to type. You're as predictable as your are hypocritical, what was the name al bin summat? I hope the "if the opposition are good enough" mantra still applies at the weekend. Not holding my breath though. Go on have an opinion. You'll feel better about yourself. What did you think of the game? How do you think we played? Its a pretty simple question.
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 11, 2016 10:53:57 GMT
We could improve on him but his importance isn't understated because we have nobody close to him for that role in the squad at present. Yesterday highlighted that because off the ball Cameron didn't have a clue what to do and on it his over-excited forays forward left massive gaps. Surely it can't be that hard to find someone who is prepared to be disciplined in midfield? I've defended Cameron on here loads of times, but I'm beginning to wonder if Bayern was right about him! Cheick Tioté? Newcastle will be keen to offload.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2016 11:02:20 GMT
Surely it can't be that hard to find someone who is prepared to be disciplined in midfield? I've defended Cameron on here loads of times, but I'm beginning to wonder if Bayern was right about him! Cheick Tioté? Newcastle will be keen to offload. Good call combative midfielder is just what we need, we have defiantly gone soft this season.
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 11, 2016 11:23:23 GMT
Victor Momo and Pwingy... You two are making me chuckle. I keep having a vision of this when reading you two falling out. OS.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 11, 2016 11:32:40 GMT
Thought we played fairly decent first half. The game was a bit too open for us but we did manage to wrestle some control of it and were undone by some sloppiness at the free kick and then some good wing play and poor keeping for the second goal.
Second half was pretty much pitiful but I'd say we've been worse defensively in recent memory never mind since we came up (Everton at home this season which really was a horrendous performance where you could take no positives).
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 11, 2016 11:44:16 GMT
Resort to type. You're as predictable as your are hypocritical, what was the name al bin summat? I hope the "if the opposition are good enough" mantra still applies at the weekend. Not holding my breath though. Go on have an opinion. You'll feel better about yourself. What did you think of the game? How do you think we played? Its a pretty simple question. I'd love to do this dance with you for the hundredth time al bin stokie, but quite frankly, you bore me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2016 11:53:02 GMT
Go on have an opinion. You'll feel better about yourself. What did you think of the game? How do you think we played? Its a pretty simple question. I'd love to do this dance with you for the hundredth time al bin stokie, but quite frankly, you bore me.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2016 11:55:54 GMT
I was about to ask if we'd never been hammered when Whelan was playing. I agree with you, his importance is overstated. We need some oomph in midfield. Someone similar to Noble from West Ham or even Joe Allen. We are a pretty side at the moment but lack organization and devil. We could improve on him but his importance isn't understated because we have nobody close to him for that role in the squad at present. Yesterday highlighted that because off the ball Cameron didn't have a clue what to do and on it his over-excited forays forward left massive gaps. Geoff Cameron is rubbish. The end!
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Post by hammered on Apr 11, 2016 12:06:16 GMT
Objective view:
Watched your game on a stream yesterday and first half thought it pretty even – it was.
Imbula reminds me of a better Diame but he can’t do it all on his own and the other midfielders needed to get on the same page to take advantage of the physical presence he brings.
After the break Klopp stepped it up, bypassed your midfield and you couldn’t cope once they gave you no time on the ball and a lot of your team were passengers. Hughes didn’t react to this until the game was gone.
Hughes clearly set up with Crouch to take advantage of their defensive frailties aerially but when Shaqiri failed time after time to clear the first man – well it won’t work and there wasn’t an obvious plan B with the personnel you had on the pitch.
Some of the defending was dire (Pieters) and your keeper looked like a rabbit in the headlights but you missed Arnie massively as an out ball and general threat to stretch them. Having said that the result overall flattered them IMO.
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