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Post by march4 on Apr 10, 2016 17:17:04 GMT
When your keeper gives away 4 goals it is always going to be difficult to compete.
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Post by ryan4england on Apr 10, 2016 17:17:10 GMT
At least man utd are getting spanked 3-0
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Apr 10, 2016 17:17:57 GMT
Seen worse and I'm sure I will see worse again.
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Post by ParaPsych on Apr 10, 2016 17:20:00 GMT
We don't play with enough intent or enough energy. It's all to much training ground shit for me. We've got some great technical players but we need to get about the pitch quicker - more pressing, like the rest of the league is doing. And why Shawcross is playing was beyond me, why change the defence AGAIN? For the summer - an upgrade on Whelan, a centre half, a right winger and a few home truths. Got to agree. When we play at a good tempo we can be fantastic and play some quality stuff. But all too often it's way too slow which can not only be ineffective but is often also very boring. We don't have much pace either, which often seems to be the case so long as I've been watching us. We were better far more often with an Odemwingie type in the side. And when we play teams who close us down quickly we can really struggle badly.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 10, 2016 17:21:33 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2016 17:23:06 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? Does it matter? We're chopping and changing at the heart of defence all season. Shawcross should be told to go away and come back next season 100% fit and raring to go.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2016 17:24:15 GMT
We don't play with enough intent or enough energy. It's all to much training ground shit for me. We've got some great technical players but we need to get about the pitch quicker - more pressing, like the rest of the league is doing. And why Shawcross is playing was beyond me, why change the defence AGAIN? For the summer - an upgrade on Whelan, a centre half, a right winger and a few home truths. Got to agree. When we play at a good tempo we can be fantastic and play some quality stuff. But all too often it's way too slow which can not only be ineffective but is often also very boring. We don't have much pace either, which often seems to be the case so long as I've been watching us. We were better far more often with an Odemwingie type in the side. And when we play teams who close us down quickly we can really struggle badly. The Odemwingie point is a great one. I think there's an argument the best performances under Hughes have come with a striker playing wide right to drift into dangerous positions. Diouf is hopeless at it, Walter is sometimes good at it, Odemwingie was great at it.
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Post by werrington on Apr 10, 2016 17:25:03 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? We should of fucked Shawcross off and signed Wes Morgan to play alongside Robert Huth Just imagine this mb if that had happened last summer eh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:25:55 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? Quite recently before Ryan's last setback they were superb. That's not the problem. The problem is a back four that hasn't been settled all season and now a keeper change on top. It's too much at this level.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 10, 2016 17:26:00 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? Does it matter? We're chopping and changing at the heart of defence all season. Shawcross should be told to go away and come back next season 100% fit and raring to go. Of course it fuckin matters,we need a pair who are comfortable with each other and that provide a backbone to the team.Without Whelan also we're a fuckin shambles in front of the back four.Fat too open for my liking
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 10, 2016 17:27:19 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? Didn't they go over 500 minutes without conceding a goal prior to Ryan's latest injury set back?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2016 17:27:34 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? We should of fucked Shawcross off and signed Wes Morgan to play alongside Robert Huth Just imagine this mb if that had happened last summer eh Eh?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 10, 2016 17:27:40 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? Quite recently before Ryan's last setback they were superb. That's not the problem. The problem is a back four that hasn't been settled all season and now a keeper change on top. It's too much at this level. Really?Id say as a pair they don't suit each other but it's all about opinions
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 10, 2016 17:27:47 GMT
When you look at it though they didn't bombard our goal with shot after shot though.
First goal - Should have closed down quicker but should have been saved. It was 30 yds out how many times do they end up in row Z. Second goal - Poor full back play compounded by the keeper not coming for the cross. Third goal - Keeper failing to come for a cross that was left for him to collect. Fourth goal - Corner of area still not sure whether it was a shot or cross but should have been saved.
Other than that they had one shot in the second half saved at the near post and one in the first half. They weren't exactly creating chance after chance. I think in the end the defence were trying to protect the keeper as they'd lost all confidence in him.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 10, 2016 17:28:22 GMT
How many times have Shawcross and Wollschied played well as a pair? We should of fucked Shawcross off and signed Wes Morgan to play alongside Robert Huth Just imagine this mb if that had happened last summer eh You been on the beer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:28:48 GMT
Pretty shocking defensively. Not trying to blame him in any way but I'm pretty sure some of our worst defensive displays this calendar year have been when Ryan is in the side? Might be totally off base there mind. I hate to admit it, but I was thinking the same thing. CD is such a key position. It's very disruptive when Shawcross gets hurt and it takes a couple of games for the team to readjust and then we're fine without him. Then he's brought back (arguably too early) and everything goes to pot for a few games. Not trying to blame Shawcross, because he and our other centre halves are all good players in my book but like you highlighted, a backline needs consistency and we haven't had that this season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:30:02 GMT
We should of fucked Shawcross off and signed Wes Morgan to play alongside Robert Huth Just imagine this mb if that had happened last summer eh You been on the beer? Couldn't blame him after today. But it looks like he's been on something stronger mind!
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Post by werrington on Apr 10, 2016 17:30:08 GMT
We should of fucked Shawcross off and signed Wes Morgan to play alongside Robert Huth Just imagine this mb if that had happened last summer eh Eh? I was just pointing out that it's obviously Ryan's fault as if we'd kept Huth apparently we would of won the league
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2016 17:30:42 GMT
I was just pointing out that it's obviously Ryan's fault as if we'd kept Huth apparently we would of won the league What?
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Post by werrington on Apr 10, 2016 17:31:29 GMT
We should of fucked Shawcross off and signed Wes Morgan to play alongside Robert Huth Just imagine this mb if that had happened last summer eh You been on the beer? whooooosh fuck me mutts
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2016 17:32:30 GMT
Does it matter? We're chopping and changing at the heart of defence all season. Shawcross should be told to go away and come back next season 100% fit and raring to go. Of course it fuckin matters,we need a pair who are comfortable with each other and that provide a backbone to the team.Without Whelan also we're a fuckin shambles in front of the back four.Fat too open for my liking I should of said does it matter this season. With Whelan we still concede. Too much made of Whelan being out. To me we need a player of his type but who can get around the pitch quicker, especially if he is playing alongside Imbula who appears to give up too much when he's not on the ball. He's another one who needs a lot of work on pre-season.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 10, 2016 17:35:00 GMT
We don't play with enough intent or enough energy. It's all to much training ground shit for me. We've got some great technical players but we need to get about the pitch quicker - more pressing, like the rest of the league is doing. And why Shawcross is playing was beyond me, why change the defence AGAIN? For the summer - an upgrade on Whelan, a centre half, a right winger and a few home truths. Sums it all up perfectly - look at Leicester this afternoon, the defence does what defences should do, nothing too fancy, and the attack is swift and purposeful
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Post by lancer on Apr 10, 2016 17:46:48 GMT
In Premier League memory. Embarrassing. This fucker's not a keeper is he? Not so long ago since we beat Liverpool at home 6-1, with Mignolet in goal for them. He's still in goal for them. We beat then 6-1 not because Mignolet was a particularly bad goalie, but because on the day he had shit defence in front of him. On the law of averages any goalie is going to let some 'stoppable' goals in, today was Jakob's day. He's not another Jack Butland, but for Gods sake, give the lad a chance, and give him some help with the defence. I see De Geat let three in, in five minutes, so I suppose he's a shit goalie as well?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 10, 2016 17:50:23 GMT
I know it's not hard but double whoosh because you've lost me?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 10, 2016 17:51:17 GMT
When you've got an unsettled backline who're chopped & changed for the vast majority of the 30-odd games we've played this season, you end up with a bunch of nervy, unsure, undecisive defenders like we saw today.
Next season if we can get 20/25 games where we see...
Butland; Johnson, Shawcross, Wollschied, Pieters; Whelan.
.... We'd see far, far less games like today. This season however that hasn't happened, we've been hit by injury after injury & I can't remember when we've managed to field the same backline for two games running, nevermind for a large chunk of the season.
Massive over-reaction on this forum again. Lets all slaughter a young 'keeper who's come in for his second ever league start for us, and lets slaughter a defensive line which has yet again seen a few changes from the previous game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:59:58 GMT
Got to agree. When we play at a good tempo we can be fantastic and play some quality stuff. But all too often it's way too slow which can not only be ineffective but is often also very boring. We don't have much pace either, which often seems to be the case so long as I've been watching us. We were better far more often with an Odemwingie type in the side. And when we play teams who close us down quickly we can really struggle badly. The Odemwingie point is a great one. I think there's an argument the best performances under Hughes have come with a striker playing wide right to drift into dangerous positions. Diouf is hopeless at it, Walter is sometimes good at it, Odemwingie was great at it. This 100%. We looked the real deal with PO as a right sided striker. We played with pace and penetration. For me there has been far too much fannying around this season. We have looked very pedestrian at times.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 10, 2016 18:05:07 GMT
In memory? Really?
Wow.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 10, 2016 18:19:50 GMT
In Premier League memory. Embarrassing. This fucker's not a keeper is he? It is not just our goalkeepers fault, for me we have been an accident waiting to happen defensively and the cracks are beginning to show of late: 3-0 defeats to Utd, Leicester & Everton, last weeks capitulation and another drubbing today. We have problems down the spine of our team and it has been showing against the better teams in the 2nd half of the season. we look incapable of a clean sheet at the moment and are a bit predictable going the other way.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2016 19:01:31 GMT
They're fucking shit and we could have lost 6. Please let it be Shay next week.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 10, 2016 19:04:55 GMT
Nothing he could do about the 4th for me. But it is wank. Definitely the right decision to play him over the proven and experienced Given.....
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