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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on May 28, 2016 14:17:37 GMT
He's gash. People seem to be trying use far too many words to describe his gashness.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 28, 2016 14:26:33 GMT
It's a real shame, at a time when it looks like we could trouble any side going forward it's not overstating the fact in the least to describe us as absolutely fucking terrible at the back. I strongly fancy us to win all three group games, despatch a third place team in the last 16 and then get walloped the minute we face a decent side. Hopefully, that will spell the end for Roy. Virtually word-for-word what I was saying to one of my mates the other day. We'll probably cock it up against Wales but should still win the group. I dread to think what any good side will do to that defence though; we'll probably have a taste of it against Portugal next Thursday. Yes I think Portugal will be a good indicator of where we are at, it will basically be a competitive game.
When you don't have great personnel at the back you need a solid system in place, with organisation, and a midfield that is going to protect them.
I have seen nothing from the manager so far and in these games which are supposed to be for preparation he has played everyone out of position.
He is a fucking shit manager, and the one positive will be that we are finally rid of him.
Our tactics and preparation for the last world cup were the worst kind of shambles I have ever seen from an England team, god knows how he kept his job.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 28, 2016 14:41:39 GMT
Virtually word-for-word what I was saying to one of my mates the other day. We'll probably cock it up against Wales but should still win the group. I dread to think what any good side will do to that defence though; we'll probably have a taste of it against Portugal next Thursday. Yes I think Portugal will be a good indicator of where we are at, it will basically be a competitive game.
When you don't have great personnel at the back you need a solid system in place, with organisation, and a midfield that is going to protect them.
I have seen nothing from the manager so far and in these games which are supposed to be for preparation he has played everyone out of position.
He is a fucking shit manager, and the one positive will be that we are finally rid of him.
Our tactics and preparation for the last world cup were the worst kind of shambles I have ever seen from an England team, god knows how he kept his job.
What I have never understood is why managers choose to experiment in these 'warm up' matches. You can bang on about coaching and what not but this has always been our biggest downfall IMO. These games should be an opportunity for the first XI to get used to playing together so that in the first game we are well prepared and ready to go, as you would in league football. Instead, we are somehow going in to yet another tournament without the foggiest of who to play and in what position, nor have the team had solid experience of playing with one another due to the constant tinkering. No wonder we get to tournaments and the players don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.
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Post by kustokie on May 28, 2016 14:50:53 GMT
Yes I think Portugal will be a good indicator of where we are at, it will basically be a competitive game.
When you don't have great personnel at the back you need a solid system in place, with organisation, and a midfield that is going to protect them.
I have seen nothing from the manager so far and in these games which are supposed to be for preparation he has played everyone out of position.
He is a fucking shit manager, and the one positive will be that we are finally rid of him.
Our tactics and preparation for the last world cup were the worst kind of shambles I have ever seen from an England team, god knows how he kept his job.
What I have never understood is why managers choose to experiment in these 'warm up' matches. You can bang on about coaching and what not but this has always been our biggest downfall IMO. These games should be an opportunity for the first XI to get used to playing together so that in the first game we are well prepared and ready to go, as you would in league football. Instead, we are somehow going in to yet another tournament without the foggiest of who to play and in what position, nor have the team had solid experience of playing with one another due to the constant tinkering. No wonder we get to tournaments and the players don't have a fucking clue what they're doing. This makes way too much sense, which is why it ain't gonna happen!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 16:14:37 GMT
Our tactics and preparation for the last world cup were the worst kind of shambles I have ever seen from an England team, god knows how he kept his job.
Because he is a nump and does what he is told without question no braincells but a lovely man
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on May 28, 2016 18:02:16 GMT
Stones = gash Hodgson= gash
Gash + gash = gash
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on May 28, 2016 18:06:38 GMT
I'm clearly living in a parallel universe! www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/24/jose-mourinho-faces-first-man-utd-battle-for-john-stones-and-nem/Jose Mourinho faces a battle to avoid an early blow in the transfer market as Manchester United’s new manager with Manchester City and Barcelona emerging as favourites to sign John Stones.
City and Barcelona have reaffirmed their interest in Stones over the past week, and both clubs plan to submit bids to Everton before the start of the European Championships – leaving Mourinho with a lot of ground to make up in the chase for the 21-year-old.
The fact City and Barca have stolen a march on United will not put off Mourinho, but the Portuguese will need to call on all his powers of persuasion to sway the race for Stones in his favour.
City manager Pep Guardiola wants to pair Stones with Aymeric Laporte in a new-look partnership, while Barca see him as the best defensive prospect in European football and believe he is ideally suited to La Liga. I think he is absolutely class and will be one of the best in the world. Martinez would ruin any defender. If as a fan of football all you want your defender to do is defend and clear his lines then he won't be your cup of tea. But if you enjoy a ball playing center half in the Moore, Beckenbaur, Ramos, Pique mold then he is a joy to watch. He is very un-English in many ways but if you put him in a good team he would look even better. In 2-3 years he will walk into any team in word football. In a defensive two having a ball player and a blocker is a sound base. Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 18:45:15 GMT
I think he is absolutely class and will be one of the best in the world. Martinez would ruin any defender. If as a fan of football all you want your defender to do is defend and clear his lines then he won't be your cup of tea. But if you enjoy a ball playing center half in the Moore, Beckenbaur, Ramos, Pique mold then he is a joy to watch. He is very un-English in many ways but if you put him in a good team he would look even better. In 2-3 years he will walk into any team in word football. In a defensive two having a ball player and a blocker is a sound base. Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe. To mention Stones in the same sentence as Beckenbauer is ludicrous
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Post by stoneroses on May 28, 2016 19:37:40 GMT
I think he is absolutely class and will be one of the best in the world. Martinez would ruin any defender. If as a fan of football all you want your defender to do is defend and clear his lines then he won't be your cup of tea. But if you enjoy a ball playing center half in the Moore, Beckenbaur, Ramos, Pique mold then he is a joy to watch. He is very un-English in many ways but if you put him in a good team he would look even better. In 2-3 years he will walk into any team in word football. In a defensive two having a ball player and a blocker is a sound base. Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe. The same bit that makes all the major clubs in Europe want him for around 40-50 million As I said before players like Stones divide opinion but if you like football played the right way you can not help to get excited by his potential. He is as good on the ball as any one of the players in that England squad and as he matures he will become one of the best in the world. We will revisit this thread in 3-4 years.
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Post by BuzzB on May 28, 2016 21:57:07 GMT
Yes I think Portugal will be a good indicator of where we are at, it will basically be a competitive game.
When you don't have great personnel at the back you need a solid system in place, with organisation, and a midfield that is going to protect them.
I have seen nothing from the manager so far and in these games which are supposed to be for preparation he has played everyone out of position.
He is a fucking shit manager, and the one positive will be that we are finally rid of him.
Our tactics and preparation for the last world cup were the worst kind of shambles I have ever seen from an England team, god knows how he kept his job.
What I have never understood is why managers choose to experiment in these 'warm up' matches. You can bang on about coaching and what not but this has always been our biggest downfall IMO. These games should be an opportunity for the first XI to get used to playing together so that in the first game we are well prepared and ready to go, as you would in league football. Instead, we are somehow going in to yet another tournament without the foggiest of who to play and in what position, nor have the team had solid experience of playing with one another due to the constant tinkering. No wonder we get to tournaments and the players don't have a fucking clue what they're doing. My thoughts entirely too . Lets see how he approaches the Portugal game, for me he has to start an eleven as close as he can get to first choice.
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Post by samba :) on May 29, 2016 0:15:25 GMT
Rodgers would love to have him
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Post by ukcstokie on May 29, 2016 1:21:21 GMT
Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe. The same bit that makes all the major clubs in Europe want him for around 40-50 million As I said before players like Stones divide opinion but if you like football played the right way you can not help to get excited by his potential. He is as good on the ball as any one of the players in that England squad and as he matures he will become one of the best in the world. We will revisit this thread in 3-4 years.
We can revisit this thread whenever. The fact remains that he is currently too shit - on the basis of the last season - to be anywhere near the England squad. Why do some think he's worth £40-50 million? Because it's the same fucked up thinking that caused David Luis - to be the second most valuable defender in the world ever. I use the description "defender" very, very loosely.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 29, 2016 1:41:41 GMT
Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe. The same bit that makes all the major clubs in Europe want him for around 40-50 million As I said before players like Stones divide opinion but if you like football played the right way you can not help to get excited by his potential. He is as good on the ball as any one of the players in that England squad and as he matures he will become one of the best in the world. We will revisit this thread in 3-4 years. 1) There is no 'right way' to play football. 2) Ball playing centre halves are fantastic and an absolute joy to watch...provided they can actually defend. All the best examples were, first and foremost, good defenders - Baresi, Beckenbauer, Sammer, Nesta, Ferdinand. If they can't, defend, they're beyond pointless.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 29, 2016 2:08:04 GMT
Stones wouldn't get half as much stick if he wasn't afforded every chance after coming up with new and exciting ways to cause chaos every week, while the country's two (three? four?) best centre backs, including our captain, will be sat at home this summer after making one mistake, or not even having the opportunity to make a mistake.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on May 29, 2016 16:22:51 GMT
Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe. The same bit that makes all the major clubs in Europe want him for around 40-50 million As I said before players like Stones divide opinion but if you like football played the right way you can not help to get excited by his potential. He is as good on the ball as any one of the players in that England squad and as he matures he will become one of the best in the world. We will revisit this thread in 3-4 years. No mate, sorry im not having that. Just because theres stories in the press about him being looked at by x y or z clubs doesnt make him the player the sun or anyone else says. Hes bang average on the ball, his positioning is fucking shocking! He may develop but we are talking here & now and he should be nowhere near that team NOW.
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Post by fca47 on May 29, 2016 16:29:54 GMT
To be fair his passing is quite good, and his mobility gets him out of some positions , that his lack of positional sense get him into, unfortunately not often enough.
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Post by spitthedog on May 29, 2016 16:54:42 GMT
Rather than just slagging him off routinely, its more interesting to consider why Mourinho, a manager who historically builds from the back, is such a massive fan of his.
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Post by stoneroses on May 29, 2016 17:42:27 GMT
The same bit that makes all the major clubs in Europe want him for around 40-50 million As I said before players like Stones divide opinion but if you like football played the right way you can not help to get excited by his potential. He is as good on the ball as any one of the players in that England squad and as he matures he will become one of the best in the world. We will revisit this thread in 3-4 years. No mate, sorry im not having that. Just because theres stories in the press about him being looked at by x y or z clubs doesnt make him the player the sun or anyone else says. Hes bang average on the ball, his positioning is fucking shocking! He may develop but we are talking here & now and he should be nowhere near that team NOW. I will take both sides of the argument but to suggest he is bang average on the Ball is a joke.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 17:47:33 GMT
The same bit that makes all the major clubs in Europe want him for around 40-50 million As I said before players like Stones divide opinion but if you like football played the right way you can not help to get excited by his potential. He is as good on the ball as any one of the players in that England squad and as he matures he will become one of the best in the world. We will revisit this thread in 3-4 years. 1) There is no 'right way' to play football. 2) Ball playing centre halves are fantastic and an absolute joy to watch...provided they can actually defend. All the best examples were, first and foremost, good defenders - Baresi, Beckenbauer, Sammer, Nesta, Ferdinand. If they can't, defend, they're beyond pointless. This ^ post of the season it's that simple folks "defenders" defend end of.
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Post by ohbottom on May 30, 2016 8:47:14 GMT
To be fair his passing is quite good, and his mobility gets him out of some positions , that his lack of positional sense get him into, unfortunately not often enough.This used to be exactly the criticism of Smalling. Whether it's down to Van Gaal I don't know, but this last season he seems to have "got" it and looks so much better. Approaching being a top class defender. Maybe Stones could develop the same way with the right coaching.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 30, 2016 10:37:57 GMT
He is 21!
Isn't it time that this "if it isn't Ryan in an England shirt, they are shit defenders" mentality was put aside.
John Stones has all the potential to be an absolute gem for England for years to come.
Good defenders mature into the role and Stones will eradicate the silly stuff particularly when he inevitably joins a top club and plays regular Champions League and the rest of it.
He already has all the rest.
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Post by fca47 on May 30, 2016 10:55:44 GMT
He'd probably do well at somewhere like Barcelona, where they have loads of possession and don't get pressurised much themselves. He won't really improve much at a midtable team, like Everton.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 30, 2016 11:14:11 GMT
The England team is not the place to develop potential. That's what the U21's are for.
woy bases his selection on the media and populism. Oh well we can look forward to the post tournament stuff about us being excited about the next World Cup.
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Post by stoneroses on May 30, 2016 15:06:32 GMT
He is 21! Isn't it time that this "if it isn't Ryan in an England shirt, they are shit defenders" mentality was put aside. John Stones has all the potential to be an absolute gem for England for years to come. Good defenders mature into the role and Stones will eradicate the silly stuff particularly when he inevitably joins a top club and plays regular Champions League and the rest of it. He already has all the rest. Finally a sensible fucking post.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 30, 2016 15:47:30 GMT
Seriously mate, what part of stones' game have you seen that makes you think hes absolute class? Im honestly not on the wind up. Cant defend and nowhere fucking near as good on the ball as the dopey fuckers on telly would have us believe. To mention Stones in the same sentence as Beckenbauer is ludicrous Not necessarily. I have no problem with this sentence: Beckenbauer pisses on John Stones from a great height.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2016 15:57:15 GMT
He is 21! Isn't it time that this "if it isn't Ryan in an England shirt, they are shit defenders" mentality was put aside. John Stones has all the potential to be an absolute gem for England for years to come. Good defenders mature into the role and Stones will eradicate the silly stuff particularly when he inevitably joins a top club and plays regular Champions League and the rest of it. He already has all the rest. Finally a sensible fucking post. Ryan Shawcross has fuck all to do with this.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 30, 2016 17:00:52 GMT
He is 21! Isn't it time that this "if it isn't Ryan in an England shirt, they are shit defenders" mentality was put aside. John Stones has all the potential to be an absolute gem for England for years to come. Good defenders mature into the role and Stones will eradicate the silly stuff particularly when he inevitably joins a top club and plays regular Champions League and the rest of it. He already has all the rest. Shawcross shouldn’t be anywhere near the England side at this moment and nor should Stones.
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Post by oakiestokie on May 30, 2016 17:21:05 GMT
Overrated a bit much? £45 million quid... Oof.
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2016 9:24:42 GMT
He is 21! Isn't it time that this "if it isn't Ryan in an England shirt, they are shit defenders" mentality was put aside. John Stones has all the potential to be an absolute gem for England for years to come. Good defenders mature into the role and Stones will eradicate the silly stuff particularly when he inevitably joins a top club and plays regular Champions League and the rest of it. He already has all the rest. Good defenders mature into the role.... sometimes. Not all of them do. I remember when everyone said Titus Bramble was going to be the best centre half on the planet and he was being linked with top top clubs. We all know how that one worked out.
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Post by spitthedog on May 31, 2016 9:29:50 GMT
I'd like to know where all these alternative centre halves are who are going to take us to the promised land?
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