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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 21, 2016 22:31:07 GMT
We're all skirting around the issue but it'll eventually come out. This is the reason why Robert 'Backs to the Berlin Wall' Huth was hounded out of the Club. I saw him buying (fairy) cakes on his last day.
As for the Wollscheid insinuations I reckon he's got that Adrian Street factor about him. He'd twat yer and then stand over you doing a teapot. Plenty of examples of tuff puffs. If he does indeed favour the company of gents. It dunner really matter.
I'm a fan of his jazz hands.
Bring on the Villa ffs. The Devil makes work for idle keyboards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:32:21 GMT
Could not care less where somebody wants to put their dick after work, whoever it is. Tom Daly was on the front of every paper when he said he was gay. Why? Who cares? As long as he wins the gold medals for Great Britain, surely that's all we care about as fans? If a Stoke player was gay, I cannot for the life of me understand how this would bother anyone even for a single second. What does it matter?? Tom Daly is gay? Fuck off you'll be telling me Liberace was next..
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 21, 2016 22:39:08 GMT
I can fully imagine the reasons why gay players might not want to come out, and I don't think it's as much to do with the fans' reactions, as the inevitable media circus that would follow.
Most people rightly wouldn't give a shit, but it would certainly be a story as the media were concerned. They'd be thrust into the spotlight for their personal lives, and journos would be clambering over one another to self-righteously tell everyone how much they don't care; whilst simultaneously lavishing patronising congratulations on the player.
Encouraging folks to come out under the guise of telling them not to be pressured to stay in the closet can be as equally pressuring. Ultimately it's nobody's business other than the player's.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 21, 2016 22:46:45 GMT
I can fully imagine the reasons why gay players might not want to come out, and I don't think it's as much to do with the fans' reactions, as the inevitable media circus that would follow. Most people rightly wouldn't give a shit, but it would certainly be a story as the media were concerned. They'd be thrust into the spotlight for their personal lives, and journos would be clambering over one another to self-righteously tell everyone how much they don't care; whilst simultaneously lavishing patronising congratulations on the player. Encouraging folks to come out under the guise of telling them not to be pressured to stay in the closet can be as equally pressuring. Ultimately it's nobody's business other than the player's.
Indeed.
If a Premiership footballer announced that he was gay, the next day it would be on the front page of every British tabloid newspaper and be a main feature on the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky news broadcasts.
And whilst that continues to be a fact, you can see why a person would not want to subject themselves to that sort of (completely unwarranted) attention.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 21, 2016 22:57:09 GMT
In that dressing room it (and I)would be hard not to be gay
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2016 23:02:55 GMT
I remember talk of David Oldfield being gay Useless, fat, wank and now gay he must be in some special grouping.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 21, 2016 23:12:37 GMT
Huth buying fairy cakes you say. Hmm.... Didn't Thomas Hitzlsperger come out as gay? He was German too just like Wollscheid. Germans must be gay! Joking aside, I wouldn't give a rats arse if the whole Stoke squad came out as gay!
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Post by skip on Feb 22, 2016 0:29:02 GMT
Cheesefreex - kudos for mentioning Adrian Street but IIRC he isn't actually gay but the whole shtick was to wind up his old man and his mining mates. Which takes balls of steel/glitter.
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Post by Stoke711 on Feb 22, 2016 0:47:40 GMT
I don't see why anyone has to announce their sexuality preference. Don't see any 'straight' players announcing they're this way inclined, so why should gay people?? Let them enjoy their private lives in private.
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Post by madnellie on Feb 22, 2016 4:07:22 GMT
I don't see why anyone has to announce their sexuality preference. Don't see any 'straight' players announcing they're this way inclined, so why should gay people?? Let them enjoy their private lives in private. The problem being that it is generally assumed that everyone is straight unless they say otherwise, because, obviously being straight is much more common. Coming out, for me, just meant I could live my life the same as everyone else, without people asking about my boyfriend or husband and assuming that the girl I took to work dos and weddings was my friend rather than my date. That said, I don't think anyone should be forced to come out publicly, they should just be allowed to live their lives like everyone else. I also think that if a footballer did come out they would be well supported by the fans, but the media would make life difficult for them by trying to get pictures of the with a guy.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 22, 2016 8:53:17 GMT
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Post by mozzer on Feb 22, 2016 11:55:20 GMT
In an ideal world it wouldn't be, but sadly this is not an ideal world. Homophobia exists in football - that is a fact, and that can make those who are LGBT feel uncomfortable when attending football games. LGBT supporter groups exist not for fans to distinguish themselves from anybody else - but to create a dialogue with their clubs to improve the match day experience for everyone, focusing on improvements in areas such as steward training and incident reporting as well as generally promoting the visibility of their clubs’ LGBT fan-base to help eradicate homophobia in the game and promote football as a game for everyone. It has been very successful at a lot of clubs. It's also not just about what happens on match day, football clubs are also a big part of the community and a big part of peoples lives, and that includes LGBT people too. From a personal point of view I have spent a lot of my life hiding who I am and three years ago when I came out I was ready to walk away from Stoke - despite it being such a big part of my life - because I was so scared of abuse or being ridiculed on match days for being openly trans. Stoke have been there for me when they didn't have to be, and now I have never felt closer to the club for the personal support that they have shown to me. I myself am gay, but I have zero interest in an LGBT supporters group. I don't see myself as any different to any other Stoke supporter. Those that sit around me and my partner know that we are a couple, we get zero grief. I have NEVER felt out of place at a football match, because of my sexuality. Well Said, common sense is alive and well on the oatcake message board And if the poster is to be believed then that is coming from some one who has probably expiranced being labeled & pigeon holed many times in their lives, WTF would anyone want a label for in a an environment where that label means FA it just helps to create further divides and furthers you from what you seek.......being treated as equaly and fairly as every other human being.
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Post by foster on Feb 22, 2016 12:15:01 GMT
Aside from MickMills do we have any other homosexual posters on here?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 22, 2016 12:31:41 GMT
Aside from MickMills do we have any other homosexual posters on here? just us babe
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Post by foster on Feb 22, 2016 13:04:23 GMT
Aside from MickMills do we have any other homosexual posters on here? just us babe Well, I was also going to include Bojan Mackey, but loving Bojan ain't gay.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 22, 2016 13:17:12 GMT
just us babe Well, I was also going to include Bojan Mackey, but loving Bojan ain't gay. Hmmmm
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Post by ihaveadream on Feb 22, 2016 13:52:55 GMT
No,it wouldn't bother me
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Post by daniel1e on Feb 22, 2016 14:03:44 GMT
I myself am gay, but I have zero interest in an LGBT supporters group. I don't see myself as any different to any other Stoke supporter. Those that sit around me and my partner know that we are a couple, we get zero grief. I have NEVER felt out of place at a football match, because of my sexuality. Well Said, common sense is alive and well on the oatcake message board And if the poster is to be believed then that is coming from some one who has probably expiranced being labeled & pigeon holed many times in their lives, WTF would anyone want a label for in a an environment where that label means FA it just helps to create further divides and furthers you from what you seek.......being treated as equaly and fairly as every other human being. Saying "don't label yourself" is all well and good, especially if you're part of the group that's culturally and socially dominant and is accepted by virtually everyone to be the default. When you're part of a minority that generally and historically gets treated like shit by the majority (which happens whether we label ourselves or not) then it can be very important to have a label to make that minority visible and allow for communication and community between members, and to allow for identifying and addressing the oppression faced by them. Personally I would love nothing more than to live my life as the person I am without being labelled or singled out for doing so but that's not going to happen. Growing up I was all alone, I didn't know what transgender was or why I had these feelings. It was such a massive relief to me to discover that these were feelings of gender dysphoria, that I was transgender, that I was normal and and that there were others out there like me - visibility is so important! Things are getting better all the time, and I dream of a world where people are just people and coming out isn't even a thing but for many that's not the reality we live in. As I have already said, LGBT supporter groups have been successful at other clubs, and exist not for fans to label or distinguish themselves from anybody else , but to work with the clubs to help eradicate homophobia and make football truly a game for all.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 22, 2016 14:14:30 GMT
A bit embarrassing that this thread is even on the messageboard.
If anything deserves to be placed in the ShitBin then this is it. What is the OP trying to achieve by even raising this question?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:10:16 GMT
Well Said, common sense is alive and well on the oatcake message board And if the poster is to be believed then that is coming from some one who has probably expiranced being labeled & pigeon holed many times in their lives, WTF would anyone want a label for in a an environment where that label means FA it just helps to create further divides and furthers you from what you seek.......being treated as equaly and fairly as every other human being. Saying "don't label yourself" is all well and good, especially if you're part of the group that's culturally and socially dominant and is accepted by virtually everyone to be the default. When you're part of a minority that generally and historically gets treated like shit by the majority (which happens whether we label ourselves or not) then it can be very important to have a label to make that minority visible and allow for communication and community between members, and to allow for identifying and addressing the oppression faced by them. Personally I would love nothing more than to live my life as the person I am without being labelled or singled out for doing so but that's not going to happen. Growing up I was all alone, I didn't know what transgender was or why I had these feelings. It was such a massive relief to me to discover that these were feelings of gender dysphoria, that I was transgender, that I was normal and and that there were others out there like me - visibility is so important! Things are getting better all the time, and I dream of a world where people are just people and coming out isn't even a thing but for many that's not the reality we live in. As I have already said, LGBT supporter groups have been successful at other clubs, and exist not for fans to label or distinguish themselves from anybody else , but to work with the clubs to help eradicate homophobia and make football truly a game for all. Clearly this is important to you, but I will never understand. I don't want to be labelled or pigeon holed, as far as I concerned I am just a person. I don't go shouting about my sexuality, nor do I hide it. I couldn't tell you what colour eyes the person behind me at the match has, but if I look at them closely enough then I can see. That is how I view my sexuality, it's not obvious at first glance, but show an interest in my life and it will soon become clear.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Feb 22, 2016 16:32:20 GMT
Much though the outside world likes to portray Stokies as being an unenlightened bunch, here we are five pages into this thread on homosexuality and the main area of contention seems to be how best not to give a shit about it.
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Post by cozmick on Feb 22, 2016 17:01:55 GMT
I've seen some daft as fuck threads in my time, granted most were from me but fucking hell......
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 22, 2016 17:02:58 GMT
Cheesefreex - kudos for mentioning Adrian Street but IIRC he isn't actually gay but the whole shtick was to wind up his old man and his mining mates. Which takes balls of steel/glitter. Oh I know Adrian wasn't gay, I was trying {clumsily} to say that just because the Wolfman looks a bit camp when he runs it doesn't stop him from being 'ard as nails. Adrian Street was my favourite wrestler in the 70's primarily because I used to watch the grappling with me Grandad and he hated him, full of venom, abuse and vitriol. I thought it was funny to watch Grandad squirm as Street twatted his favourites. Similar feeling watching folk turn on Woolscheid in a similar very superficial manner today. Most folk I've heard criticize him don't do it in terms of footballing ability, but on the grounds of his demeanour.
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 22, 2016 17:08:47 GMT
I remember talk of David Oldfield being gay Useless, fat, wank and now gay he must be in some special grouping. Wasn't he ginger as well ?
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Post by Gods on Feb 22, 2016 17:15:18 GMT
Aside from MickMills do we have any other homosexual posters on here? just us babe Not that it would matter either way mmlc but I don't currently have you marked down in my little red book under ‘probably bats for the other side' or some similarly dated and off-colour euphemism
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 22, 2016 17:21:03 GMT
just us babe Not that it would matter either way mmlc but I don't currently have you marked down in my little red book under ‘probably bats for the other side' or some similarly dated and off-colour euphemism i am actually hetero sexual mate...foster just brings something out in me that was obviously hidden all this time!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 22, 2016 18:41:22 GMT
Cheesefreex - kudos for mentioning Adrian Street but IIRC he isn't actually gay but the whole shtick was to wind up his old man and his mining mates. Which takes balls of steel/glitter. Oh I know Adrian wasn't gay, I was trying {clumsily} to say that just because the Wolfman looks a bit camp when he runs it doesn't stop him from being 'ard as nails. Adrian Street was my favourite wrestler in the 70's primarily because I used to watch the grappling with me Grandad and he hated him, full of venom, abuse and vitriol. I thought it was funny to watch Grandad squirm as Street twatted his favourites. Similar feeling watching folk turn on Woolscheid in a similar very superficial manner today. Most folk I've heard criticize him don't do it in terms of footballing ability, but on the grounds of his demeanour. Of course it is nothing to do with him making basic errors or his head falling off on a fairly regular basis, that and he runs like Larry Grayson on acid.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 22, 2016 18:57:21 GMT
Oh I know Adrian wasn't gay, I was trying {clumsily} to say that just because the Wolfman looks a bit camp when he runs it doesn't stop him from being 'ard as nails. Adrian Street was my favourite wrestler in the 70's primarily because I used to watch the grappling with me Grandad and he hated him, full of venom, abuse and vitriol. I thought it was funny to watch Grandad squirm as Street twatted his favourites. Similar feeling watching folk turn on Woolscheid in a similar very superficial manner today. Most folk I've heard criticize him don't do it in terms of footballing ability, but on the grounds of his demeanour. Of course it is nothing to do with him making basic errors or his head falling off on a fairly regular basis, that and he runs like Larry Grayson on acid. The lady doth protest too much. Chances are you are one of the 'most' I mentioned in me post.
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