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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 21, 2016 15:48:56 GMT
You may well already be aware of this but the FSF has been involved in supporting LGBT fans groups at both club and national level. If you would like to be put in touch with the appropriate person, by all means PM me. Thanks Malcolm, I have already been in touch with the FSF and have spoken with your Diversity & Campaigns Manager Anwar Uddin, he's expressed an interest in being involved in supporting Stoke with the setting up of a group and any other LGBT issues moving forward. Great stuff. Anwar is the person I was referring to. As a not entirely irrelevant aside, you may know that Anwar is a former professional footballer, having played for West Ham and in a play-off final for Dagenham, where he was I believe the first player of Asian origin to captain a football league side.
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Post by roostershair on Feb 21, 2016 15:52:48 GMT
No way! People should not be pilloried for their preferences.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 21, 2016 15:53:43 GMT
Yep is a bit embarrassing.
Those who would object are the same knuckle draggers that still make monkey sounds etc.
I honestly couldnt give a shit, am sure there would be comments and the odd chant, but probably no more than other players get (whether with long hair, dodgy fibias, aversion to gunfire, or just general wankers (a la Denis Wise etc)) - There would just need to be some acceptance that it would happen, and not to be so precious about it - chants against black players stopped because socially it became unacceptable, and am sure any chanting against gays would soon be the same
Wise used to wind the crowd up something rotten, get them chanting at him, then he would purposely piss about with corners (outside the D) just to wind people up more, then blow us a kiss - he loved the attention! He would have the crowd onside by the end usually - know its not the same, but I think much of it will be down to the player not being a victim but being strong and proud of who they are and leaving the neanderthals and their suppressed sexual tendencies to it :-)
As long as I can still boo shitheads I am fine :-)
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Post by thestokielad on Feb 21, 2016 17:07:34 GMT
Im sure in England 99% of fans wouldn't give a shit but if the player played in Europe in places like turkey, russia etc they would probably get terrible abuse
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 17:16:16 GMT
It honestly wouldn't bother me one bit. But at the same time I understand the reluctance of players to come out, and I understand why people are desperately looking for that trailblazer to appear even though, in an ideal society, it shouldn't even be a relevant issue.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 21, 2016 17:18:26 GMT
Amazing that in the year 2016 we even have to ask the question The autodidact would be nothing without questions
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 21, 2016 17:18:55 GMT
Depends on the player as far as this board goes. For example Bojan would become a sex symbol but Walters would probably be ridiculed. Of course it would, on this very thread we have the usual couple insinuating and ridiculing wollscied. Pathetic wankers.
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Post by burberrybassist on Feb 21, 2016 17:18:52 GMT
Maybe the original poster just wanted to know so he could find out which players he'd have a chance with
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 17:30:20 GMT
The only thing that should matter is what they do on the pitch for us, coming out shouldn't even be a thing but sadly even in this day and age there would be certain individuals who would take offence at one of our players being homosexual. I would love a player to come out while they are still playing, whether it be for us or another team, because I think the reaction from fans would be overall positive and more awareness and acceptance can only be a good thing for the game. I understand why players don't come out while they are still playing - or haven't yet. Being transgender myself I know all too well the fears of coming out to family and friends - let alone the thought of doing it in the public eye. I'm glad to say that those I go to watch Stoke with are supportive of me even though for now I am still presenting as male. Stoke themselves have been very supportive, I had a meeting with them last month - dealing with or supporting LGBT fans, players or staff is a very new area for the club and it's something they are looking to improve to raise awareness, as are the Premier League, Football League and the FA. As of our meeting I was the only openly LGBT supporter the club knew about but we hope there will be more with the hope of possibly setting up an LGBT supporters club at Stoke, quite a few clubs already have these - danilostintransition.blogspot.co.uk/February is also Football vs Homophobia Month of action - www.footballvhomophobia.com/LGBT supporters club? Aren't we all just SCFC supporters? Why is the distinction required?
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Post by skip on Feb 21, 2016 17:42:58 GMT
Why do thy have to come out? Surely you just get on with your life? You get why some people think they can't come out? And therefor have to live a lie in public. You can't just 'get on with your life'. For the record I really wish a footballer would just come out, people applaud and then it's so underwhelming as to puncture the nonsense surrounding the issue. After all, if I was a zillionaire footballer and gay I'd try not to give any kind of toss about the chants of fans but that's easy for me to say because it doesn't affect me.
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Post by mozzer on Feb 21, 2016 17:43:10 GMT
The only thing that should matter is what they do on the pitch for us, coming out shouldn't even be a thing but sadly even in this day and age there would be certain individuals who would take offence at one of our players being homosexual. I would love a player to come out while they are still playing, whether it be for us or another team, because I think the reaction from fans would be overall positive and more awareness and acceptance can only be a good thing for the game. I understand why players don't come out while they are still playing - or haven't yet. Being transgender myself I know all too well the fears of coming out to family and friends - let alone the thought of doing it in the public eye. I'm glad to say that those I go to watch Stoke with are supportive of me even though for now I am still presenting as male. Stoke themselves have been very supportive, I had a meeting with them last month - dealing with or supporting LGBT fans, players or staff is a very new area for the club and it's something they are looking to improve to raise awareness, as are the Premier League, Football League and the FA. As of our meeting I was the only openly LGBT supporter the club knew about but we hope there will be more with the hope of possibly setting up an LGBT supporters club at Stoke, quite a few clubs already have these - danilostintransition.blogspot.co.uk/February is also Football vs Homophobia Month of action - www.footballvhomophobia.com/LGBT supporters club? Aren't we all just SCFC supporters? Why is the distinction required? Totally agree with you, why the hell would there be a need for it, surly the idea of tolerance is to see everyone as an equal so why the fuck do you need to start anything that puts people in a category. I could understand the need for people to know your sexual preference if you were on a dating site but why would any one need to know peoples sexual orientation supporting a football club, jeez talk about PC gone mad this is up there with the most strangest thing I have ever heard.
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Post by skip on Feb 21, 2016 17:45:48 GMT
The only thing that should matter is what they do on the pitch for us, coming out shouldn't even be a thing but sadly even in this day and age there would be certain individuals who would take offence at one of our players being homosexual. I would love a player to come out while they are still playing, whether it be for us or another team, because I think the reaction from fans would be overall positive and more awareness and acceptance can only be a good thing for the game. I understand why players don't come out while they are still playing - or haven't yet. Being transgender myself I know all too well the fears of coming out to family and friends - let alone the thought of doing it in the public eye. I'm glad to say that those I go to watch Stoke with are supportive of me even though for now I am still presenting as male. Stoke themselves have been very supportive, I had a meeting with them last month - dealing with or supporting LGBT fans, players or staff is a very new area for the club and it's something they are looking to improve to raise awareness, as are the Premier League, Football League and the FA. As of our meeting I was the only openly LGBT supporter the club knew about but we hope there will be more with the hope of possibly setting up an LGBT supporters club at Stoke, quite a few clubs already have these - danilostintransition.blogspot.co.uk/February is also Football vs Homophobia Month of action - www.footballvhomophobia.com/LGBT supporters club? Aren't we all just SCFC supporters? Why is the distinction required? Because if you're LGBT a further sense of belonging is a supportive thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 17:57:15 GMT
Belonging to the Stoke City family is enough, I wouldn't want to be seen as ''separate"
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 21, 2016 17:58:20 GMT
LGBT supporters club? Aren't we all just SCFC supporters? Why is the distinction required? Totally agree with you, why the hell would there be a need for it, surly the idea of tolerance is to see everyone as an equal so why the fuck do you need to start anything that puts people in a category. I could understand the need for people to know your sexual preference if you were on a dating site but why would any one need to know peoples sexual orientation supporting a football club, jeez talk about PC gone mad this is up there with the most strangest thing I have ever heard. Perhaps if/when there are as many threads created titled "Heterosexual players" as there are threads titled "Homosexual players" LGBT fans will no longer feel the need to form themselves into support groups.
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Post by daniel1e on Feb 21, 2016 18:21:25 GMT
The only thing that should matter is what they do on the pitch for us, coming out shouldn't even be a thing but sadly even in this day and age there would be certain individuals who would take offence at one of our players being homosexual. I would love a player to come out while they are still playing, whether it be for us or another team, because I think the reaction from fans would be overall positive and more awareness and acceptance can only be a good thing for the game. I understand why players don't come out while they are still playing - or haven't yet. Being transgender myself I know all too well the fears of coming out to family and friends - let alone the thought of doing it in the public eye. I'm glad to say that those I go to watch Stoke with are supportive of me even though for now I am still presenting as male. Stoke themselves have been very supportive, I had a meeting with them last month - dealing with or supporting LGBT fans, players or staff is a very new area for the club and it's something they are looking to improve to raise awareness, as are the Premier League, Football League and the FA. As of our meeting I was the only openly LGBT supporter the club knew about but we hope there will be more with the hope of possibly setting up an LGBT supporters club at Stoke, quite a few clubs already have these - danilostintransition.blogspot.co.uk/February is also Football vs Homophobia Month of action - www.footballvhomophobia.com/LGBT supporters club? Aren't we all just SCFC supporters? Why is the distinction required? In an ideal world it wouldn't be, but sadly this is not an ideal world. Homophobia exists in football - that is a fact, and that can make those who are LGBT feel uncomfortable when attending football games. LGBT supporter groups exist not for fans to distinguish themselves from anybody else - but to create a dialogue with their clubs to improve the match day experience for everyone, focusing on improvements in areas such as steward training and incident reporting as well as generally promoting the visibility of their clubs’ LGBT fan-base to help eradicate homophobia in the game and promote football as a game for everyone. It has been very successful at a lot of clubs. It's also not just about what happens on match day, football clubs are also a big part of the community and a big part of peoples lives, and that includes LGBT people too. From a personal point of view I have spent a lot of my life hiding who I am and three years ago when I came out I was ready to walk away from Stoke - despite it being such a big part of my life - because I was so scared of abuse or being ridiculed on match days for being openly trans. Stoke have been there for me when they didn't have to be, and now I have never felt closer to the club for the personal support that they have shown to me.
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Post by Bombus on Feb 21, 2016 18:40:32 GMT
Surely we would stone then and burn them in the car park after? Really, who gives a fuck?
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Post by no1972 on Feb 21, 2016 19:03:01 GMT
Im sure in England 99% of fans wouldn't give a shit but if the player played in Europe in places like turkey, russia etc they would probably get terrible abuse I would say the fans of the team a player. plays for would not abuse him,but oppersition fans would shout the occasional below the belt chant including our fans.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2016 19:38:28 GMT
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Post by Silkystoke on Feb 21, 2016 20:00:29 GMT
I would happily kiss any Stoke player who scores a 94th minute cup final winner, right on his helmet ..!!!!! Gay or not
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 21, 2016 20:15:48 GMT
I would happily kiss any Stoke player who scores a 94th minute cup final winner, right on his helmet ..!!!!! Gay or not Lick it
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Post by sutekh on Feb 21, 2016 20:25:47 GMT
I would not have a problem with any player coming out nor do I have any problems with gay people. But I can't stand it when they keep ramming it down your throat.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2016 20:40:03 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 21, 2016 20:41:40 GMT
Surely we would stone then and burn them in the car park after? Really, who gives a fuck? Is that bum or burn?
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Post by gaznandi on Feb 21, 2016 21:06:36 GMT
But I can't stand it when they keep *ramming it down your throat*. Excellent
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Post by daviddunn on Feb 21, 2016 21:52:19 GMT
I remember talk of David Oldfield being gay
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Post by prem4stoke on Feb 21, 2016 22:04:58 GMT
I would not have a problem with any player coming out nor do I have any problems with gay people. But I can't stand it when they keep ramming it down your throat. You should tell them to be more gentle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:06:57 GMT
LGBT supporters club? Aren't we all just SCFC supporters? Why is the distinction required? In an ideal world it wouldn't be, but sadly this is not an ideal world. Homophobia exists in football - that is a fact, and that can make those who are LGBT feel uncomfortable when attending football games. LGBT supporter groups exist not for fans to distinguish themselves from anybody else - but to create a dialogue with their clubs to improve the match day experience for everyone, focusing on improvements in areas such as steward training and incident reporting as well as generally promoting the visibility of their clubs’ LGBT fan-base to help eradicate homophobia in the game and promote football as a game for everyone. It has been very successful at a lot of clubs. It's also not just about what happens on match day, football clubs are also a big part of the community and a big part of peoples lives, and that includes LGBT people too. From a personal point of view I have spent a lot of my life hiding who I am and three years ago when I came out I was ready to walk away from Stoke - despite it being such a big part of my life - because I was so scared of abuse or being ridiculed on match days for being openly trans. Stoke have been there for me when they didn't have to be, and now I have never felt closer to the club for the personal support that they have shown to me. I myself am gay, but I have zero interest in an LGBT supporters group. I don't see myself as any different to any other Stoke supporter. Those that sit around me and my partner know that we are a couple, we get zero grief. I have NEVER felt out of place at a football match, because of my sexuality.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 21, 2016 22:10:04 GMT
Who the fuck cares? It's 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:17:23 GMT
In an ideal world it wouldn't be, but sadly this is not an ideal world. Homophobia exists in football - that is a fact, and that can make those who are LGBT feel uncomfortable when attending football games. LGBT supporter groups exist not for fans to distinguish themselves from anybody else - but to create a dialogue with their clubs to improve the match day experience for everyone, focusing on improvements in areas such as steward training and incident reporting as well as generally promoting the visibility of their clubs’ LGBT fan-base to help eradicate homophobia in the game and promote football as a game for everyone. It has been very successful at a lot of clubs. It's also not just about what happens on match day, football clubs are also a big part of the community and a big part of peoples lives, and that includes LGBT people too. From a personal point of view I have spent a lot of my life hiding who I am and three years ago when I came out I was ready to walk away from Stoke - despite it being such a big part of my life - because I was so scared of abuse or being ridiculed on match days for being openly trans. Stoke have been there for me when they didn't have to be, and now I have never felt closer to the club for the personal support that they have shown to me. I myself am gay, but I have zero interest in an LGBT supporters group. I don't see myself as any different to any other Stoke supporter. Those that sit around me and my partner know that we are a couple, we get zero grief. I have NEVER felt out of place at a football match, because of my sexuality. That's because you've never sat next to Waggy's mate Trevor......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:30:08 GMT
Could not care less where somebody wants to put their dick after work, whoever it is.
Tom Daly was on the front of every paper when he said he was gay. Why? Who cares? As long as he wins the gold medals for Great Britain, surely that's all we care about as fans?
If a Stoke player was gay, I cannot for the life of me understand how this would bother anyone even for a single second. What does it matter??
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