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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 21, 2016 12:27:59 GMT
You'd got to think living under such of pressure of not being able to be yourself must surely affect your career. I'd imagine that if a few did come out that they may actually go on and have better careers in terms of being able to play. We've seen that often a player plays well when in a happy place mentally living a lie so to speak can't be good for form.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 21, 2016 12:30:25 GMT
Would it bother anybody if any of our squad 'came out'? Would you treat them differently on the pitch? Surely there are some current squad players who are gay. If so, who I wonder? & for the record, I couldn't give a monkeys if they were gay or straight. Not at all and no. Sexual preference is not a choice. Peter Tatchell would disagree with you there
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Feb 21, 2016 12:39:34 GMT
They reckon upto 10%* of the population is gay don't they, and that is growing year on year. So it's very likely that there are gay footballers in the premiership and one could be at Stoke personally it wouldn't bother me. I have gay friends who go to football and I know there are a lot of gay Stoke fans. It's part of society now a days. It will be difficult for the first person to come out. But I thibk as soon as one does, others will follow
*2% are openly out and said so in the last census but that's Increased since then as it's become more acceptable in recent years
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 21, 2016 13:07:19 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2016 13:07:49 GMT
Hmmmm
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Post by thevoid on Feb 21, 2016 13:15:19 GMT
It's high time a Premier League footballer came out as gay. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet but I do believe the majority of fans would be supportive. Not saying that he is, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gerard Deulofeu likes disco music and Rose wine.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 21, 2016 13:16:42 GMT
The only thing that should matter is what they do on the pitch for us, coming out shouldn't even be a thing but sadly even in this day and age there would be certain individuals who would take offence at one of our players being homosexual. I would love a player to come out while they are still playing, whether it be for us or another team, because I think the reaction from fans would be overall positive and more awareness and acceptance can only be a good thing for the game. I understand why players don't come out while they are still playing - or haven't yet. Being transgender myself I know all too well the fears of coming out to family and friends - let alone the thought of doing it in the public eye. I'm glad to say that those I go to watch Stoke with are supportive of me even though for now I am still presenting as male. Stoke themselves have been very supportive, I had a meeting with them last month - dealing with or supporting LGBT fans, players or staff is a very new area for the club and it's something they are looking to improve to raise awareness, as are the Premier League, Football League and the FA. As of our meeting I was the only openly LGBT supporter the club knew about but we hope there will be more with the hope of possibly setting up an LGBT supporters club at Stoke, quite a few clubs already have these - danilostintransition.blogspot.co.uk/February is also Football vs Homophobia Month of action - www.footballvhomophobia.com/You may well already be aware of this but the FSF has been involved in supporting LGBT fans groups at both club and national level. If you would like to be put in touch with the appropriate person, by all means PM me.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 21, 2016 13:18:51 GMT
Now this subject takes me back to around 1998 when John Fashanu sadly committed suicide,he was one if not the first professional footballer to come out,anyway I was sitting in a bar having a drink with 70,s legend Geoff Salmons when the story about Fashanu broke and I say to Geoff have Stoke ever had any gay players ? Geoff,s reply... "Give us a kiss and I will tell you" Typical Geoff. I think you'll find it was Justin, not John Fashanu who committed suicide.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 21, 2016 13:20:05 GMT
It's high time a Premier League footballer came out as gay. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet but I do believe the majority of fans would be supportive. Not saying that he is, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gerard Deulofeu likes disco music and Rose wine. What's wrong with a glass of rose :-)
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2016 13:25:47 GMT
Not saying that he is, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gerard Deulofeu likes disco music and Rose wine. What's wrong with a glass of rose :-) Or a good disco record?
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 21, 2016 13:31:30 GMT
As you may well know, Jon Walters has 'come out' as a closet TORY. Now I know anyone who associates himself with the likes of Jeremy (H)unt, Duncan-Smith, Osbourne, Cameron (David, not Geoff) etc. leaves himself open to ridicule and loathing, but I hope Stoke fans will rally round to offer their support.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 21, 2016 13:39:09 GMT
Can't you tell it's no football weekend for Stoke, what a fucking wank thread, who gives a shit? Gouranga.
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Post by andrewguk on Feb 21, 2016 13:40:20 GMT
Can't you tell it's no football weekend for Stoke, what a fucking wank thread, who gives a shit? Gouranga. I do
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2016 13:42:10 GMT
Can't you tell it's no football weekend for Stoke, what a fucking wank thread, who gives a shit? Gouranga. I do He needs to get to the bottom of it
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 21, 2016 13:43:26 GMT
What's wrong with a glass of rose :-) Or a good disco record? If this is the criteria, I is way gay
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 21, 2016 13:45:22 GMT
Can't you tell it's no football weekend for Stoke, what a fucking wank thread, who gives a shit? Gouranga. I do Would it bother anybody if any of our squad 'came out'? Would you treat them differently on the pitch? Surely there are some current squad players who are gay. If so, who I wonder? & for the record, I couldn't give a monkeys if they were gay or straight. Well make your fucking mind up in the first post you said you couldn't give a monkeys. Like I said wank thread. Gouranga.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 21, 2016 14:03:16 GMT
Funny that this post should come up. I was thinking about this the other day, and Phillip Wollscheid really strikes me as a guy hiding in the closet.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 21, 2016 14:04:16 GMT
Funny that this post should come up. I was thinking about this the other day, and Phillip Wollscheid really strikes me as a guy hiding in the closet. I think most have thought the same since he signed mate
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 21, 2016 14:06:17 GMT
Funny that this post should come up. I was thinking about this the other day, and Phillip Wollscheid really strikes me as a guy hiding in the closet. I think most have thought the same since he signed mate Interesting. Nothing against him if he is gay haha I think he's just a bit feminine.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2016 14:09:57 GMT
A lot of modern day footballers do go down very easily, the theatrical manner in the way they react to the slightest contact would indicate they have indeed been involved in drama classes at some point, not that I am saying there is a link between drama classes and homosexuality just the way the game has changed in the last twenty years.
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Post by daniel1e on Feb 21, 2016 14:11:07 GMT
The only thing that should matter is what they do on the pitch for us, coming out shouldn't even be a thing but sadly even in this day and age there would be certain individuals who would take offence at one of our players being homosexual. I would love a player to come out while they are still playing, whether it be for us or another team, because I think the reaction from fans would be overall positive and more awareness and acceptance can only be a good thing for the game. I understand why players don't come out while they are still playing - or haven't yet. Being transgender myself I know all too well the fears of coming out to family and friends - let alone the thought of doing it in the public eye. I'm glad to say that those I go to watch Stoke with are supportive of me even though for now I am still presenting as male. Stoke themselves have been very supportive, I had a meeting with them last month - dealing with or supporting LGBT fans, players or staff is a very new area for the club and it's something they are looking to improve to raise awareness, as are the Premier League, Football League and the FA. As of our meeting I was the only openly LGBT supporter the club knew about but we hope there will be more with the hope of possibly setting up an LGBT supporters club at Stoke, quite a few clubs already have these - danilostintransition.blogspot.co.uk/February is also Football vs Homophobia Month of action - www.footballvhomophobia.com/You may well already be aware of this but the FSF has been involved in supporting LGBT fans groups at both club and national level. If you would like to be put in touch with the appropriate person, by all means PM me. Thanks Malcolm, I have already been in touch with the FSF and have spoken with your Diversity & Campaigns Manager Anwar Uddin, he's expressed an interest in being involved in supporting Stoke with the setting up of a group and any other LGBT issues moving forward.
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Post by andrewguk on Feb 21, 2016 14:14:06 GMT
You may well already be aware of this but the FSF has been involved in supporting LGBT fans groups at both club and national level. If you would like to be put in touch with the appropriate person, by all means PM me. Thanks Malcolm, I have already been in touch with the FSF and have spoken with your Diversity & Campaigns Manager Anwar Uddin, he's expressed an interest in being involved in supporting Stoke with the setting up of a group and any other LGBT issues moving forward. Great news despite whatever AlbertTatlock has been saying on this particular subject.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Feb 21, 2016 14:23:19 GMT
Funny there is always one person on this forum who tries to make every thread about himself. I won't mention them by name so they can't get the satisfaction of someone talking about them.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 21, 2016 14:29:12 GMT
Not saying that he is, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gerard Deulofeu likes disco music and Rose wine. What's wrong with a glass of rose :-) I hear it's quite refreshing over ice
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 21, 2016 14:34:16 GMT
Why do thy have to come out?
Surely you just get on with your life?
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Post by clan2 on Feb 21, 2016 14:35:12 GMT
Now this subject takes me back to around 1998 when John Fashanu sadly committed suicide,he was one if not the first professional footballer to come out,anyway I was sitting in a bar having a drink with 70,s legend Geoff Salmons when the story about Fashanu broke and I say to Geoff have Stoke ever had any gay players ? Geoff,s reply... "Give us a kiss and I will tell you" Typical Geoff. I think you'll find it was Justin, not John Fashanu who committed suicide. you are correct in that it was Justin not John
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 21, 2016 14:35:58 GMT
What's wrong with a glass of rose :-) I hear it's quite refreshing over ice It is mate or so the Mrs tells me :-)
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2016 14:36:06 GMT
Funny that this post should come up. I was thinking about this the other day, and Phillip Wollscheid really strikes me as a guy hiding in the closet. I think most have thought the same since he signed mate Like a dancing teapot, camp as winterfest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 15:25:58 GMT
Live and let live as far as I'm concerned
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Post by MrFlirty on Feb 21, 2016 15:43:39 GMT
Amazing that in the year 2016 we even have to ask the question
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