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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 7, 2016 19:29:58 GMT
Not sure if this has been done already so shit bin it if it has .........there have been several opinion polls conducted ahead of the EU in/out referendum recently with some very differing results. I saw one in The Express which stated that 92% of a 16000 head phone survey said out. Others have been evenly matched. So let's have our own survey In or Out......I'll start with
OUT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 7, 2016 19:43:08 GMT
I've asked on here before as I'm not really up-to-speed with all this political bollocks, but what benefits do we get by staying in?
From what I can gather voting 'out' means we can run our own country again, our own laws (Does this mean we can fuck that Human Rights shit off & deport foreign criminals?) take back control of our borders (Does this mean we can legally stop all people from coming here?) and we stop spunking millions of pounds per day up the wall (I'm sure I read summat about how, erm... I think it was Norway [They're not in the EU, right?] still had to give millions to Europe all the time but had no imput to what went on. Is this what'll happen to us? We still have to pay but have no say, or can we just stop paying?)
The 'in' vote seems to consist of rich wankers, sorry, bankers, saying it's the best thing ever. (Are there any genuine positives at all from staying in?)
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 7, 2016 19:50:44 GMT
I'm undecided on this one. Spunking billions away every year to a foreign land, where we have little democratic power and they fail to get their accounts audited year after year. They impose their own laws above our own parliaments and we end up with even more politicians, oh and our own democratically elected ones are that scared of upsetting their European "partners" (and screwing up any future pay date) they practically all become treacherous bastards.
I'm sure there's plenty of guff to come about we'll all end up skint and on the dole if we dare to vote out, similar to what we were told when they tried to scare us into joining the Euro.
I'll keep thinking about it and I'm sure I'll come to a conclusion before Cameron sets a date.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 7, 2016 19:54:05 GMT
Out.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 7, 2016 20:08:00 GMT
The UK will never leave the EU. The USA, won't let them
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Post by Beertricks Potter on Feb 7, 2016 20:17:24 GMT
I'm a bit on the fence with this but if there was a vote tomorrow, I'd vote out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 20:45:26 GMT
Out, and it's not even close. The people who want to stay in are the monetary elite who benefit the most. It is for that reason we will likely see the majority of politicians and the majority of the media working to create a disproportionate amount of influential support for the In campaign, but hopefully enough of the general public will see through the pernicious campaign strategies they use to fool us into signing our own death-warrants.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 7, 2016 22:38:59 GMT
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT and never return sink or swim we can do this, if we carry on as we are we will sink anyway under the weight of economic migrants, protect our borders and our children's futures.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 22:42:15 GMT
Out, forge closer ties and trade deals with the common wealth instead
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Post by felonious on Feb 8, 2016 7:45:06 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2016 8:18:07 GMT
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT and never return sink or swim we can do this, if we carry on as we are we will sink anyway under the weight of economic migrants, protect our borders and our children's futures. I'd say you're about 40yrs late on this |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 8, 2016 8:27:46 GMT
The only scaremongering is by that duplicitous cunt of a PM. He's beginning to make Bliar seem trustworthy. It was only a few weeks ago he was saying how depending on the deal he "negotiated", that he may campaign for Brexit. I doubted his sincerity then and now I can say with absolute certainty that he's a lying bastard. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 8, 2016 10:36:04 GMT
We wouldn't have to bow down to the EU human rights if we are out and we could ship them back home. If voting out means we could get rid of that Abdul Hamza's family then I'm an outer |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 10:44:06 GMT
We wouldn't have to bow down to the EU human rights if we are out and we could ship them back home. If voting out means we could get rid of that Abdul Hamza's family then I'm an outer Racist  |
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Post by lordb on Feb 8, 2016 12:05:30 GMT
Do you want to be run by 'faceless Bureaucrats from Brussels' or 'faceless Bureaucrats from Whitehall?'
Undoubtedly all those products of English Public Schools will give a fuck about Stoke-On-Trent
I say we burn them all
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 8, 2016 12:14:00 GMT
Not sure if this has been done already so shit bin it if it has .........there have been several opinion polls conducted ahead of the EU in/out referendum recently with some very differing results. I saw one in The Express which stated that 92% of a 16000 head phone survey said out. Others have been evenly matched. So let's have our own survey In or Out......I'll start with OUT Biased Express readers, surely not  Poor things the modern world bewilders them. IN - but wanting to see a Europe more committed to social justice than money (tho still celebraitng the massive,previously unimaginable strides every single minority group has made in the UK in the years since we've been EU members (and the massive beenfits to backwaters like North Staffs which would otherwise been left even further behind, UKIPers talk about biting the hand that's fed you). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 12:25:04 GMT
Out
The markets we are excluding ourselves from are far more lucrative than the failing EEU where we are seen as benefactor for the poorer members.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 8, 2016 12:41:29 GMT
Not sure if this has been done already so shit bin it if it has .........there have been several opinion polls conducted ahead of the EU in/out referendum recently with some very differing results. I saw one in The Express which stated that 92% of a 16000 head phone survey said out. Others have been evenly matched. So let's have our own survey In or Out......I'll start with OUT Biased Express readers, surely not Poor things the modern world bewilders them. IN - but wanting to see a Europe more committed to social justice than money (tho still celebraitng the massive,previously unimaginable strides every single minority group has made in the UK in the years since we've been EU members (and the massive beenfits to backwaters like North Staffs which would otherwise been left even further behind, UKIPers talk about biting the hand that's fed you). If you're wanting in then that almost certainly means being part of TTIP. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#Criticism_and_oppositionThat they're even considering TTIP demonstrates which side they're on. |
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Post by desman2 on Feb 8, 2016 12:45:08 GMT
Out.
Once the yanks use the TPIT agreement to grab chunks of the NHS and other public services, you wont have any complaints because you,ll have voted to let them do it.
Its not about political colours. Its about what you pass on to future generations.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 8, 2016 14:19:04 GMT
Not sure if this has been done already so shit bin it if it has .........there have been several opinion polls conducted ahead of the EU in/out referendum recently with some very differing results. I saw one in The Express which stated that 92% of a 16000 head phone survey said out. Others have been evenly matched. So let's have our own survey In or Out......I'll start with OUT Biased Express readers, surely not :) Poor things the modern world bewilders them. IN - but wanting to see a Europe more committed to social justice than money (tho still celebraitng the massive,previously unimaginable strides every single minority group has made in the UK in the years since we've been EU members (and the massive beenfits to backwaters like North Staffs which would otherwise been left even further behind, UKIPers talk about biting the hand that's fed you). This backwater, just like the rest of the UK, is a net contributor to the EU. With the country as a whole pumping in billions every year. I've seen no massive infrastructure projects in Stoke for this massive outlay of money. I did travel around Southern Spain a few years ago and was surprised at the dual carriageway's that run every where with fantastic bridges all paid for by the EU of course, with very few motorists on any of them. What makes it even worse is that the EU's budget hasn't been signed off by auditors for decades due to the corruption involved. Perhaps when you say the hand that feeds you, you mean about the dragging down of wages that the EU has had on such a backwater. The UK's open door policy for immigration has without doubt held 99.99% of peoples wages down by a significant amount and also had an effect on increasing house prices/rents and led to poorer public services on offer. How anyone "committed to social justice" can even think of voting in, is a bit beyond me. The worries of TTIP have already been raised but what about CAP which not only adds an estimated £10 per week to the average backwater foodbill, but also results in massive food waste and adds to the misery and poverty in the third world by making it even harder for them to trade and produce their own food. The EU has of course had massive "success" in helping minority groups. Who would of thought that we would now have cities, including the capital, where British born people were now in the minority. I was reading somewhere, what would the UK do if we were not a member of the EU and were offered a place to join today? Would we jump at the chance to offer billions every single year to a corrupt foreign organisation, who could overrule our own parliament and courts and at the same time handover control of our borders to lower our own standard of living? Thinking about it now, I'm leaning towards out. |
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Post by steve66 on Feb 8, 2016 14:27:55 GMT
OUT
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Post by redstriper on Feb 8, 2016 14:34:30 GMT
It made some sense when it was just a "common market". It would possibly make sense in a federal super state. The half arsed thing we have now where we just sit at the fringes booing and pay a fucking fortune for the privilege of being ignored is an absolute waste of money. Yet another tier of ineffective government - we need less of that - not more.
I'm a business owner with some European sales - and even I can't make a case for it.
OUT.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 8, 2016 15:43:10 GMT
In. The EU is far, far, far, far from perfect. But I'd rather have a faceless bunch of cunts from many different backgrounds making some rules for us, than a faceless bunch of cunts from the English upper class making all the rules for us.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 8, 2016 16:05:03 GMT
Do you want to be run by 'faceless Bureaucrats from Brussels' or 'faceless Bureaucrats from Whitehall?' Undoubtedly all those products of English Public Schools will give a fuck about Stoke-On-Trent I say we burn them all Lord, Do we need two lots of faceless bureaucrats though?- in terms of democracy , simplicity and cost. I believe that even those of us who are not particularly interested in politics are au fait with the Parliamentary system and tradition to some degree, even if it just the fact that they know that they have a local MP. The EU experiment simply further disenfranchises the man (or woman) in the street. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 8, 2016 16:13:13 GMT
In. The EU is far, far, far, far from perfect. But I'd rather have a faceless bunch of cunts from many different backgrounds making some rules for us, than a faceless bunch of cunts from the English upper class making all the rules for us. Why would you? (genuine question) Over the past 15 years I have met my local MP many times , and she has taken forward several issues for me. I did not vote for her, but she is an excellent constituency MP.I have been both to the Houses of Parliament and the EU "complex" in Brussels a few times, and for me it is clear which is more accessible and which has the UK interests at heart. Of course neither is perfect but I think that you are in with more of a shout with one than another if you believe in democracy (IMHO of course) |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 8, 2016 16:22:24 GMT
I'm undecided on this one. Spunking billions away every year to a foreign land, where we have little democratic power and they fail to get their accounts audited year after year. They impose their own laws above our own parliaments and we end up with even more politicians, oh and our own democratically elected ones are that scared of upsetting their European "partners" (and screwing up any future pay date) they practically all become treacherous bastards. I'm sure there's plenty of guff to come about we'll all end up skint and on the dole if we dare to vote out, similar to what we were told when they tried to scare us into joining the Euro. I'll keep thinking about it and I'm sure I'll come to a conclusion before Cameron sets a date. maybe you should listen to your great leader Farage who is adamant he wants out....but yet was quite happy to take an MEP's wage and the benefits of their monthly allowances whilst not bothering to turn up to actually act as an MEP for anyone |
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Post by nietzsche on Feb 8, 2016 16:28:27 GMT
The Ukippers are back with their narrow world view I see.
It is a multicultural, global world, get used to it.
The internet has revolutionised the world.
No room for small town mentalities.
In any case the world powers will not let us leave, so it is all hot air.
Hard luck.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 8, 2016 16:37:02 GMT
I'm undecided on this one. Spunking billions away every year to a foreign land, where we have little democratic power and they fail to get their accounts audited year after year. They impose their own laws above our own parliaments and we end up with even more politicians, oh and our own democratically elected ones are that scared of upsetting their European "partners" (and screwing up any future pay date) they practically all become treacherous bastards. I'm sure there's plenty of guff to come about we'll all end up skint and on the dole if we dare to vote out, similar to what we were told when they tried to scare us into joining the Euro. I'll keep thinking about it and I'm sure I'll come to a conclusion before Cameron sets a date. maybe you should listen to your great leader Farage who is adamant he wants out....but yet was quite happy to take an MEP's wage and the benefits of their monthly allowances whilst not bothering to turn up to actually act as an MEP for anyone ;) You're not playing the man instead of the ball are you **************? Seeing as you raise the point though, I believe that no single politician from any party should sway your decision too much either way. Have a look at how much we pay, what we get in return, what it costs us, what benefits us, etc, etc. and make your own mind up. I have no issue with anyone who wants us to leave the EU standing for the European Parliament, I didn't realise that a prerequisite for the job was to offer your heart and soul to the 4th reich EU. I've no idea how often Farage attends the actual parliament, but I have respect that he's sacrificed a well paid career to do something he believes in for less money, and I'm sure he puts in a fair few hours to that cause. |
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Post by desman2 on Feb 8, 2016 16:41:43 GMT
The Ukippers are back with their narrow world view I see. It is a multicultural, global world, get used to it. The internet has revolutionised the world. No room for small town mentalities. In any case the world powers will not let us leave, so it is all hot air. Hard luck. If you believe that we are a wonderful multicultural global world then you have a strange way of seeing things. What we actually have is a multi banking global corporate world which is hoping to use the likes of you and I for its cannon fodder. |
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Post by redstriper on Feb 8, 2016 16:44:25 GMT
I'm undecided on this one. Spunking billions away every year to a foreign land, where we have little democratic power and they fail to get their accounts audited year after year. They impose their own laws above our own parliaments and we end up with even more politicians, oh and our own democratically elected ones are that scared of upsetting their European "partners" (and screwing up any future pay date) they practically all become treacherous bastards. I'm sure there's plenty of guff to come about we'll all end up skint and on the dole if we dare to vote out, similar to what we were told when they tried to scare us into joining the Euro. I'll keep thinking about it and I'm sure I'll come to a conclusion before Cameron sets a date. maybe you should listen to your great leader Farage who is adamant he wants out....but yet was quite happy to take an MEP's wage and the benefits of their monthly allowances whilst not bothering to turn up to actually act as an MEP for anyone Is that fair Mick ? I recall seeing him debating in the euro parliament on many occasions - I'd be very surprised if his attendance record is as poor as the average Kinnock like sponger over there. If it was - the tory rags would surely be on it. |
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