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Post by bathstoke on Jan 31, 2016 0:43:21 GMT
I was there alright, and I've bigger and more hostile queues at 8.30am in Oxford Circus tube station. It was a pain in the arse, that's all. A Police horse in a tube station? Now that would be a story! I'm sure that in the 80's coppers on horse back went onto the terraces of a London derby. Shear madness
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 31, 2016 5:33:12 GMT
I wasn't there but it seems the authorities were much more concerned with crowd control than crowd safety. Particularly chilling as it is the same outlook that caused Hillsborough.
How many capacity crowds has Anfield had this season alone? Late arrivals shouldnt trigger panic. And is the resulting situation always dealt with (ie not dealt with ) with such negligence? If so supporters are entitled to explanations and the relevant authorities need an urgent policy review with input from supporters groups.
After our Oakwell crush on January 31st 1989 we shrugged and dismissed it as one of those things. On April 15th 1989 it became apparent how dangerous the situation actually was.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 31, 2016 20:57:32 GMT
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Post by jpm64 on Feb 1, 2016 10:27:03 GMT
Had this from FSF this morning...
Dear John
Many thanks indeed for getting in touch with your troubling account of crowd management at Anfield.
I am currently in the process of compiling all accounts received from Stoke City supporters and working on a strategy to ensure they're dealt with seriously and action taken to ensure that there is no repeat of what you experienced. This will likely involve not only speaking with Liverpool FC but Merseyside Police and the local safety advisory group too.
I'll come back to you as soon as I'm able, but this may take some days. In the meantime, please could you encourage your fellow fans who haven't already done so to contact me directly since the more reports we receive, the better picture we're able to present.
Finally, I'd be grateful if you'd forward any response you receive from LFC to me. I'd be very interested to see what they say in response.
Best wishes
Amanda
Please make sure you take the time to contact LFC and FSF !
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 1, 2016 11:14:46 GMT
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Post by redstriper on Feb 1, 2016 11:31:15 GMT
I've been in crushes on the tube which were as bad, and worse crushes at football matches back in the day (at both the vic and molineux. I wasn't too worried for myself, but if I had my 7 year old daughter with me I would have been really worried about her, and she may have been put off football - maybe for life. I will never take her to Anfield after this fiasco.
It was dangerous, and it was easily avoidable. As far as I can see we have had no acknowledgement from Liverpool that there was even a problem, and certainly no apology.
Whilst they are pretending it didn't happen they are making themselves look like massive hypocrites and worse, complacent. Just because nobody was hurt does not mean we shouldn't be following it through.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2016 11:32:06 GMT
I've been in crushes on the tube which were as bad, and worse crushes at football matches back in the day (at both the vic and molineux. I wasn't too worried for myself, but if I had my 7 year old daughter with me I would have been really worried about her, and she may have been put off football - maybe for life. I will never take her to Anfield after this fiasco. It was dangerous, and it was easily avoidable. As far as I can see we have had no acknowledgement from Liverpool that there was even a problem, and certainly no apology. Whilst they are pretending it didn't happen they are making themselves look like massive hypocrites and worse, complacent. Just because nobody was hurt does not mean we shouldn't be following it through. A quick update on where things are up to. We have a set of statements ( about a dozen I think - but it's still not too late for more) from Stokies who were there for which many thanks. I have written to Liverpool FC, Stoke City FC, the police, Liverpool City Council safety Advisory Group ( which incidentally is one of the few in the country which has a supporter rep on it - from Spirit of Shankly) and the Sports Ground safety Authority, asking for a meeting to review what happened and why it happened and to identify measures to ensure that it doesn't happen again, either for our visit in April or any other clubs. The meeting should be attended by all the above agencies, the FSF and supporter reps from Stoke and LFC. I will keep you posted on what happens - at this stage I'm more hopeful than optimistic that we will get such a meeting but perhaps they will prove me wrong
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2016 19:26:28 GMT
Liverpool FC have agreed to a meeting.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 7, 2016 15:09:20 GMT
Liverpool FC have agreed to a meeting. Any news
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 7, 2016 17:13:57 GMT
Liverpool FC have agreed to a meeting. Any news Nothing further to report. No date set.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 12, 2016 20:13:39 GMT
Liverpool FC have agreed to a meeting. Any news The meeting will be held on Monday coming. If anyone who was there - particularly if you provided us with a statement of evidence - is available and willing to go, there might be a possibility (can't promise). If so, PM me sap.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 21:48:57 GMT
The meeting will be held on Monday coming. If anyone who was there - particularly if you provided us with a statement of evidence - is available and willing to go, there might be a possibility (can't promise). If so, PM me sap. what's the best case scenario from this?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 12, 2016 21:51:07 GMT
The meeting will be held on Monday coming. If anyone who was there - particularly if you provided us with a statement of evidence - is available and willing to go, there might be a possibility (can't promise). If so, PM me sap. what's the best case scenario from this? I would say an honest recognition by all agencies that things went wrong and an analysis of why that happened, with lessons learnt for the future.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 21:53:31 GMT
what's the best case scenario from this? I would say an honest recognition by all agencies that things went wrong and an analysis of why that happened, with lessons learnt for the future. borrrring
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 12, 2016 21:56:56 GMT
I would say an honest recognition by all agencies that things went wrong and an analysis of why that happened, with lessons learnt for the future. borrrring Why is it boring, Will ? What outcomes would you like to see ?
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 22:00:46 GMT
Why is it boring, Will ? What outcomes would you like to see ? drastic action, it's good of you but the police That came up with the strategy should be sacked and we should get our money back
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 12, 2016 22:20:52 GMT
Why is it boring, Will ? What outcomes would you like to see ? drastic action, it's good of you but the police That came up with the strategy should be sacked and we should get our money back Well we can't prejudge the outcome of who was responsible for what. In general terms the management of queues outside a ground is normally the responsibility of the host club. Stoke city have of course already apologised for the fact that the coaches arrived late and have offered free coach travel to the next cup away game.
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Post by winston on Feb 12, 2016 22:47:55 GMT
I would say an honest recognition by all agencies that things went wrong and an analysis of why that happened, with lessons learnt for the future. borrrring This from the man who said "I don't live near people who call their kids Winston! Racist? Probably not cos oatcake defend this racist
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 22:58:06 GMT
This from the man who said "I don't live near people who call their kids Winston! Racist? Probably not cos oatcake defend this racist
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 22:58:52 GMT
drastic action, it's good of you but the police That came up with the strategy should be sacked and we should get our money back Well we can't prejudge the outcome of who was responsible for what. In general terms the management of queues outside a ground is normally the responsibility of the host club. Stoke city have of course already apologised for the fact that the coaches arrived late and have offered free coach travel to the next cup away game. Im sorry for saying boring..
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Post by march4 on Feb 12, 2016 23:03:07 GMT
Well we can't prejudge the outcome of who was responsible for what. In general terms the management of queues outside a ground is normally the responsibility of the host club. Stoke city have of course already apologised for the fact that the coaches arrived late and have offered free coach travel to the next cup away game. Im sorry for saying boring.. Good man! There is only so much Malcolm can do. He might rub shoulders with the great and good (including Nello), but sacking police officers is a little bit beyond even his influence. Even the 'plebgate' minister couldn't get the police sacked.
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Post by winston on Feb 12, 2016 23:04:52 GMT
This from the man who said "I don't live near people who call their kids Winston! Racist? Probably not cos oatcake defend this racist Like a troll, sitting under the bridge. Anyway, I'm not going to kick off on you and your racist oatcake mates that don't believe in freedom of speech unless it's racist. Good luck fellow cnuts! Bye x
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 23:25:46 GMT
Like a troll, sitting under the bridge. Anyway, I'm not going to kick off on you and your racist oatcake mates that don't believe in freedom of speech unless it's racist. Good luck fellow cnuts! Bye x Your only arguing with me because you kicked off
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Post by samba :) on Feb 12, 2016 23:26:55 GMT
Im sorry for saying boring.. Good man! There is only so much Malcolm can do. He might rub shoulders with the great and good (including Nello), but sacking police officers is a little bit beyond even his influence. Even the 'plebgate' minister couldn't get the police sacked. ye but the one on the horse that was shouting at the kids for taking the pole out the ground had a face I really wanted to punch
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Post by winston on Feb 12, 2016 23:36:40 GMT
Like a troll, sitting under the bridge. Anyway, I'm not going to kick off on you and your racist oatcake mates that don't believe in freedom of speech unless it's racist. Good luck fellow cnuts! Bye x Your only arguing with me because you kicked off Yep. Well done racist. I'd like to open a new thread about you and your racist mates but looks like I'm still restrictd. Christ, all my issues with political suppression and the worst is on the oatcake! Gays, blacks bi's and everyone that don't subsribe to general Will and the oatckae, I salute you! Power to the people! Feck the man x
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Post by burge2u on Feb 13, 2016 1:14:29 GMT
what's the best case scenario from this? I would say an honest recognition by all agencies that things went wrong and an analysis of why that happened, with lessons learnt for the future. Hopefully this will be the sensible outcome. Thanks for all your efforts Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 20, 2016 22:42:22 GMT
The meeting at Anfield has now been held, attended by the FSF, 2 members of the Stoke City Supporters Club Committee who were there on the night, both clubs, the police and the Sports Ground Safety Authority. In addition to the personal testimonies of those present, the meeting had the benefit of about a dozen written witness statements; the extracted responses for that game from the FSF Away fans survey, and some comments which I extracted from this thread.
I would like to thank those supporters who took the trouble to write individual statements or to complete the FSF Away fans survey, and particularly the two supporters who attended the meeting (and the third who was due to attend but got caught up in a severe motorway holdup).
Amanda Jacks who attended for the FSF felt that all the major issues were aired and explored, and even though there was not total agreement from all parties on all of them, that the various agencies were committed to reviewing their processes and learning any lessons.
I am not going to try to summarise all the issues here ( not least because I wasn't at the meeting), but if anyone would like a copy of brief notes of the meeting, email info@fsf.org.uk
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Post by stokiejohnss on Feb 20, 2016 23:03:23 GMT
So nobody at Liverpool admitted they made mistakes ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 14:58:55 GMT
I demand a public enquiry.
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 21, 2016 18:47:13 GMT
The meeting at Anfield has now been held, attended by the FSF, 2 members of the Stoke City Supporters Club Committee who were there on the night, both clubs, the police and the Sports Ground Safety Authority. In addition to the personal testimonies of those present, the meeting had the benefit of about a dozen written witness statements; the extracted responses for that game from the FSF Away fans survey, and some comments which I extracted from this thread. I would like to thank those supporters who took the trouble to write individual statements or to complete the FSF Away fans survey, and particularly the two supporters who attended the meeting (and the third who was due to attend but got caught up in a severe motorway holdup). Amanda Jacks who attended for the FSF felt that all the major issues were aired and explored, and even though there was not total agreement from all parties on all of them, that the various agencies were committed to reviewing their processes and learning any lessons. I am not going to try to summarise all the issues here ( not least because I wasn't at the meeting), but if anyone would like a copy of brief notes of the meeting, email info@fsf.org.uk Malcolm, did learning any lessons include delaying kick offs in future even when the game is being shown live in more than 20 countries? BM
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