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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 20, 2016 17:32:54 GMT
Leaving Stoke and Arsenal fans out of the this for a moment mick, what do you think the rest of the PL fans think on this whole issue, or don't you care. i genuinely haven't come across a single neutral fan that gave the slightest shit...indeed i haven't met ONE (not a single, solitary one) that even spoke to me about it, i only got talking to them about it as i raised it, not them. whilst talking a few thought it was actually quite funny, a few said every team does it and a few went ballistic about Wenger specifically because of their "Hissing" towards Spurs fans..they were all non-Stoke fans and NOT ONE (genuinely, hand on my heart) thought anything derogatory towards Stoke because of it. in terms of the whole issue i.e. the Ramsey/Shawcross incident, no-one gives a shit anymore geoff. the ONLY people that do (illustrated by the fact that although the media mention it when we play each other simply to give context re: the chants from BOTH sides, they certainly don't insult Stoke or Shawcross nowadays or lay ANY blame at his door as they didn't at the time either) are us and the Arsenal fans and why do we care? In general for no other reason than it's football, fans use it as a way of getting themselves up for a big match, it's banter that has been part of football since it started and will always be there. do Arsenal see us as a "Derby"? No, they have Spurs..do we see it as a "Derby" No, because it isn't...BUT there's nothing like a bit of history (whatever it is) to turn what would be just another game into an event to get excited about at the weekend and something to look forward to! if you genuinely, honestly believe that any one individual was truly upset or offended by what happened at the weekend, if you honestly believe that either club's PR will be damaged because of it, if you honestly think the media give a shit about it say, 12 hours after the game then you sir, are deluded, naive and i can only imagine have never in your life been to a football match! When both players have families they love and support and bad things happen, that's when they get upset...neither get upset by football fans chanting "nasty little songs" at them because they've grown up in football, spent years in front of thousands of football fans every week, expect it and bloody thrive off the atmosphere that "history" like ours creates! no-one in the media cares, no-one in the general public cares (which is why apart from this thread no fucker else in the country is even talking about it 48 hours after it happened). you may find it unsavoury (and i'd agree if there was discrimination, racism, prejudice or inequality of any kind in the chants) but tens of thousands who knew full well it would happen from both sides on Sunday obviously completely disagreed as they turned up anyway. if you don't like it and it offends your sensibilities then fine, that's your choice which you have every right to illustrate and display by not going but you certainly don't have the right to come on here (especially as someone who clearly knows so little about the game in reality and how many live and breathe the game rather than those like yourself who simply google the substance to their posts) and tell those that don't have a major issue with it that they are wrong and it isn't the way football fans should behave...very simply put mate, there are hundreds of thousands of paying fans up and down the entire country that will prove to you you're wrong!
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Post by stokefc on Jan 20, 2016 17:41:32 GMT
great post mick,but i have to say some people were truly offended and they were some of our fans ffs how and why fuck me if i know
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Post by butlerstbob on Jan 20, 2016 18:19:11 GMT
I work with a Liverpool season ticket holder who is always ready to stick the boot in whenever possible where stoke a concerned, he hasn't mentioned Limpgate what so ever so I can only assume other fans don't give a flying shit so get off you high horse goeffrey your making a right tool of ones self! Was it right to chant it hmmm probably not, have I heard worse hmm hell yes, Am I going to slate Stoke fans for it......NO this is football, and anybody and I mean anybody who has followed football understands that these things happen and you banging on about it isn't going to make it go away. Forget it and move on, life's to short just like my left leg which incidently is why I walk with a limp!
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Jan 20, 2016 18:40:43 GMT
25 pages. Are we signing him? Snigger.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 20, 2016 18:45:24 GMT
Whatever happened in that game all those years ago is history and cannot be undone or changed, what can be changed though dave is both Arsenal and Stoke fans carrying on this grudge match and vendetta against Ryan and Ramsey. Your earlier post about hate was in my opinion an attempt to intensify and continue this ridiculous state of affairs. What's it got to do with you anyway? Why do you even post on here?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 20, 2016 18:47:50 GMT
I'm giving an opinion on this thread prestwich, I'm saying time for this issue to be confined to history for the sake of Ryan and Ramsey. Presumably, you've opened an account on an Arsenal forum to raise the same points?
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Post by Ayupshag on Jan 20, 2016 19:14:47 GMT
I'd like to know where all these offended people stood/sat in the 80s when we were a really nasty bunch of cunts. No fucker got offended back then, everybody joined in, so where were you tender folk back then??
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 20, 2016 19:19:26 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour.
As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak.
By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 20, 2016 19:29:03 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak. By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board. You're quite right, it is the wrong board, but if it helps, I have no complaints, I've never had it so good. You've never really mastered the Quote facility on here have you?
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jan 20, 2016 19:34:35 GMT
Leaving Stoke and Arsenal fans out of the this for a moment mick, what do you think the rest of the PL fans think on this whole issue, or don't you care. I'd be willing to put a shilling on that under the same circumstances, imaginary in your case, real in mine, I believe most other club's supporters would have done the same.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 20, 2016 19:37:28 GMT
You mean a small percentage of their supporters would have done the same, or a minority as PC says.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2016 20:27:05 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak. By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board.
Eh?
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2016 20:40:56 GMT
Leaving Stoke and Arsenal fans out of the this for a moment mick, what do you think the rest of the PL fans think on this whole issue, or don't you care. i genuinely haven't come across a single neutral fan that gave the slightest shit...indeed i haven't met ONE (not a single, solitary one) that even spoke to me about it, i only got talking to them about it as i raised it, not them. whilst talking a few thought it was actually quite funny, a few said every team does it and a few went ballistic about Wenger specifically because of their "Hissing" towards Spurs fans..they were all non-Stoke fans and NOT ONE (genuinely, hand on my heart) thought anything derogatory towards Stoke because of it. in terms of the whole issue i.e. the Ramsey/Shawcross incident, no-one gives a shit anymore geoff. the ONLY people that do (illustrated by the fact that although the media mention it when we play each other simply to give context re: the chants from BOTH sides, they certainly don't insult Stoke or Shawcross nowadays or lay ANY blame at his door as they didn't at the time either) are us and the Arsenal fans and why do we care? In general for no other reason than it's football, fans use it as a way of getting themselves up for a big match, it's banter that has been part of football since it started and will always be there. do Arsenal see us as a "Derby"? No, they have Spurs..do we see it as a "Derby" No, because it isn't...BUT there's nothing like a bit of history (whatever it is) to turn what would be just another game into an event to get excited about at the weekend and something to look forward to! if you genuinely, honestly believe that any one individual was truly upset or offended by what happened at the weekend, if you honestly believe that either club's PR will be damaged because of it, if you honestly think the media give a shit about it say, 12 hours after the game then you sir, are deluded, naive and i can only imagine have never in your life been to a football match! When both players have families they love and support and bad things happen, that's when they get upset...neither get upset by football fans chanting "nasty little songs" at them because they've grown up in football, spent years in front of thousands of football fans every week, expect it and bloody thrive off the atmosphere that "history" like ours creates! no-one in the media cares, no-one in the general public cares (which is why apart from this thread no fucker else in the country is even talking about it 48 hours after it happened). you may find it unsavoury (and i'd agree if there was discrimination, racism, prejudice or inequality of any kind in the chants) but tens of thousands who knew full well it would happen from both sides on Sunday obviously completely disagreed as they turned up anyway. if you don't like it and it offends your sensibilities then fine, that's your choice which you have every right to illustrate and display by not going but you certainly don't have the right to come on here (especially as someone who clearly knows so little about the game in reality and how many live and breathe the game rather than those like yourself who simply google the substance to their posts) and tell those that don't have a major issue with it that they are wrong and it isn't the way football fans should behave...very simply put mate, there are hundreds of thousands of paying fans up and down the entire country that will prove to you you're wrong! "there are hundreds of thousands of paying fans up and down the entire country that will prove to you you're wrong!" “I don’t think it’s a minority of fans; I know it’s a minority. this is not something we would want our supporters to be doing.” Both of these assertions can't be right. If the second is not right then may be its worth taking up with our chairman, he clearly doesn't understand the people who support his football club. I'm not disagreeing with your views, just pointing out that people who we might consider very impassioned and committed to this club might see things in a different light and shouldn't be dismissed as not being committed because of it.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2016 20:43:01 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak. By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board. Why the fuck would anyone go on an Arsenal forum?
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 20, 2016 20:45:21 GMT
Come on now, Dave, Mark or Sal...this isn't even entertaining..geoff is a twat...i think it's in the dictionary. Seriously, I can't even be arsed to argue, it's so pointless, so i log out and don't bother for a while. Bet I'm not the only one
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 20, 2016 20:55:44 GMT
What cracks me up on this whole Shawcross/Ramsey issue when it comes to the media is that they only ever mention the Stoke fans being hostile towards Ramsey....... Not once have they mentioned the hostilities towards Shawcross, and he took a LOAD of shit from the Arse fans walking off the pitch in just the warm up alone...BEFORE the game!!!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 20, 2016 21:19:20 GMT
What do you hate about Arsenal Dave? The fact that you have to ask that question helps explain some of the utter horseshit that you've posted on this thread.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 20, 2016 21:24:15 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum , I might get some flak.
By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board. Really, as opposed to this board where you're revered.
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Post by whereami on Jan 20, 2016 21:50:35 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak. By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board. Who gives a fuck what Wenger, Mr "I didnt see it" says? Arsenal are trying to promote themselves as an aspirational brand, the Beats headphones and the Armani suits of football clubs. Good for them, their marketers and their money counters will be happy. Unfortunately for them they still have to play football against peasants like us, and their marketing push doesnt mean shit when they come here. They can have all the worlds press doing one big fucking hatchet job on us and it will only inflame us and make their job all the harder, and tarnish their falling identity as an actual football club all the more. If in the next home game after booing Ramsay, the ground erupts into "Arsene Wenger, we wish it was you" I wont give a fuck, I'll join in in fact, then in the week after do the internet equivalent of licking worldwide Arsenal fans tears up off their sulky manicured bearded fucking faces as they wail and nash their teeth on blogs and in comment sections at a 150 year old fucking culture they arent part of and dont understand. "Allowed Wenger to stick the knife in".. are you serious??
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Post by daviddunn on Jan 20, 2016 23:28:38 GMT
Wenger and Ramsey deserve all they get didn't Wenger blast Shawcross in public many times and Ramsey refused his apology and let the world know it didn't they both condem our team regularly throw ins , free kicks ,closing down ,agresssion size of the pitch etc and didn't a number of their players refuse to shake Ryan's hand in the build up on the pitch the next time we played them .Really are we now getting condemned for what we sing now against them is it political correctness gone mad balls to it sing it louder and louder we are Stoke we sing what we want rant over
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Post by whereami on Jan 20, 2016 23:46:49 GMT
for any doubters, ill just leave this here
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Post by metalhead on Jan 21, 2016 0:07:53 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak. By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board. I'm pretty sure you're taking the piss now. Here's the thing, Wenger is an expert in deflecting attention away from his team. If it wasn't the fans, he would be moaning about the players being physical (oh wait), or he'd be moaning about the grass being too wet, or moaning about the grass being too dry, or moaning about the ground being too cold, or moaning about the ground being too windy...... And it goes on. Ultimately, nobody is talking about the fact his team don't appear to be solid title challengers.
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Post by whereami on Jan 21, 2016 0:52:48 GMT
My take on this Mr void is that the chant has backfired. It's allowed Wenger to stick the knife in, we've got some bad press, PC has had to come out and condemn it and instead of everyone talking about our performance it's been about our fans behaviour. As a Stokie I would be nervous about going on the Arsenal forum, I might get some flak. By the way how do you think the Tories are managing the debt problem, sorry wrong board. I'm pretty sure you're taking the piss now. Here's the thing, Wenger is an expert in deflecting attention away from his team. If it wasn't the fans, he would be moaning about the players being physical (oh wait), or he'd be moaning about the grass being too wet, or moaning about the grass being too dry, or moaning about the ground being too cold, or moaning about the ground being too windy...... And it goes on. Ultimately, nobody is talking about the fact his team don't appear to be solid title challengers. at this point, I will say he's a daft one because of how harder he's made this game for him team. maybe he thought little stoke would get relegated and so we were an easy target? every time we bite him in the arse for that is a count of victory EDIT: also why they're wank in the Champions League. They expect to win because they're the wannabe "apple" style brand of football, but outside of London when it comes to proper supporters, no one gives a fuck. might work on some people looking for a profile in England through the media, they are big and mighty arsenal etc, it doesnt count for shit when they go to anywhere else where football isnt attempting to be commodified. This is where the Ramsay brand come from. They find the Ramsay chants offensive because they've been told to, they have no basis for what happens in a stand at a football match. They are the spectators of the spectators, watching it all with a nulled apathy that brings in coin but does fuck all in the way of football support. ANOTHER EDIT: I typed "bayern fans" into google, set it to one month, and checked the videos. this is what I saw: And English teams wonder why they cant win in Europe?? They cant win against fucking US with proper fans because they have systematically alienated their actual fans in chase of fucking money, whereas the teams in the Champions League from Europe have supporters who could noise-fight us any day of the week. This bleating about where players are from or whatever bollocks is bullshit. Chelsea - 1-0 Man City - 2-0 Man Utd - 2-0 Arsenal - 0-0 4 fucking games and they cant score a goal, but thinking about why they cant do it against us is too hard... just focus on Europe and their strange ways. Just bleat about Stoke being bullys and keep coining in the tourist dollar to the detriment of your support, the media fills in the blanks with bullshit about talent spotters or big pitches or winter breaks. No. Its because your fans are wank, as desired by your owners or board. THATS why youre wank, because you forgot the fucking football part of your fucking football you parasitic scum. compare the Munich video above to what Arsenal want - full kit wankers from "emerging markets" who might do a pilgrimage once or twice to sing, er, "good old arsenal" Seriously. These teams can't beat us, why the fuck should they star in the champions league against clubs from countries who actually appreciate supporters, so HAVE a support worth mentioning, and have world class players? They just think they have a right?? no other country cares dick for their media presence when it comes to the big teams, but theyre suprised EVERY FUCKING TIME. ONE LAST EDIT: Fuck them. Let them wank themselves silly in their pit of self congratulatory money. They can live in their bubble all they want but domestically they still have to come to Stoke once a season and we will show them what its like. ONE LAST LAST EDIT: From the first actual football league in 1888, a 12 team league, 4 are in the Premier league right now. - us, Villa, Brom and Everton. Its our duty to be twats and keep this part of this culture alive. They cant get to a Champions League final, these pretenders? boo fucking hoo. Try beating Stoke first, or at least score a goal before you go running to the media about how poor little boo boo leg had his feelings hurt. Wengers done 20 years? We've been around this league for 128 years. Who the fuck is he to dictate whats what.
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Post by bounderboy on Jan 21, 2016 8:30:15 GMT
The Irish Times Podcast take on this subject from Second Captains podcast. A psychological view on proceedings.. pca.st/NRin#t=352
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 21, 2016 9:31:15 GMT
What cracks me up on this whole Shawcross/Ramsey issue when it comes to the media is that they only ever mention the Stoke fans being hostile towards Ramsey....... Not once have they mentioned the hostilities towards Shawcross, and he took a LOAD of shit from the Arse fans walking off the pitch in just the warm up alone...BEFORE the game!!! That is because neither our player, manager or fans bleat and whine about it.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 21, 2016 10:16:54 GMT
What cracks me up on this whole Shawcross/Ramsey issue when it comes to the media is that they only ever mention the Stoke fans being hostile towards Ramsey....... Not once have they mentioned the hostilities towards Shawcross, and he took a LOAD of shit from the Arse fans walking off the pitch in just the warm up alone...BEFORE the game!!! That is because neither our player, manager or fans bleat and whine about it. Or media.......but when it comes to abuse thrown at Ramsey, they can't WAIT to get all over it!!!
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Post by univex on Jan 21, 2016 13:23:39 GMT
I didn't sing about Ramsey on Sunday purely because I don't care about him or his team. I do care about Shawcross and the rest, so I sing their names with pride. I think we have bigger fish to fry to be honest.
The whole situation has been blown out of proportion by all the media types from the big city because it's little old Stoke from above the Watford Gap. I was in the Spurs end at their game against Leicester last night and they were singing all sorts of songs like having a party when Sol Campbell dies and hanging Arsenal fans etc etc. Nothing has been said this morning about that as far as I'm aware.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 21, 2016 16:32:14 GMT
I'm pretty sure you're taking the piss now. Here's the thing, Wenger is an expert in deflecting attention away from his team. If it wasn't the fans, he would be moaning about the players being physical (oh wait), or he'd be moaning about the grass being too wet, or moaning about the grass being too dry, or moaning about the ground being too cold, or moaning about the ground being too windy...... And it goes on. Ultimately, nobody is talking about the fact his team don't appear to be solid title challengers. at this point, I will say he's a daft one because of how harder he's made this game for him team. maybe he thought little stoke would get relegated and so we were an easy target? every time we bite him in the arse for that is a count of victory EDIT: also why they're wank in the Champions League. They expect to win because they're the wannabe "apple" style brand of football, but outside of London when it comes to proper supporters, no one gives a fuck. might work on some people looking for a profile in England through the media, they are big and mighty arsenal etc, it doesnt count for shit when they go to anywhere else where football isnt attempting to be commodified. This is where the Ramsay brand come from. They find the Ramsay chants offensive because they've been told to, they have no basis for what happens in a stand at a football match. They are the spectators of the spectators, watching it all with a nulled apathy that brings in coin but does fuck all in the way of football support. ANOTHER EDIT: I typed "bayern fans" into google, set it to one month, and checked the videos. this is what I saw: And English teams wonder why they cant win in Europe?? They cant win against fucking US with proper fans because they have systematically alienated their actual fans in chase of fucking money, whereas the teams in the Champions League from Europe have supporters who could noise-fight us any day of the week. This bleating about where players are from or whatever bollocks is bullshit. Chelsea - 1-0 Man City - 2-0 Man Utd - 2-0 Arsenal - 0-0 4 fucking games and they cant score a goal, but thinking about why they cant do it against us is too hard... just focus on Europe and their strange ways. Just bleat about Stoke being bullys and keep coining in the tourist dollar to the detriment of your support, the media fills in the blanks with bullshit about talent spotters or big pitches or winter breaks. No. Its because your fans are wank, as desired by your owners or board. THATS why youre wank, because you forgot the fucking football part of your fucking football you parasitic scum. compare the Munich video above to what Arsenal want - full kit wankers from "emerging markets" who might do a pilgrimage once or twice to sing, er, "good old arsenal" Seriously. These teams can't beat us, why the fuck should they star in the champions league against clubs from countries who actually appreciate supporters, so HAVE a support worth mentioning, and have world class players? They just think they have a right?? no other country cares dick for their media presence when it comes to the big teams, but theyre suprised EVERY FUCKING TIME. ONE LAST EDIT: Fuck them. Let them wank themselves silly in their pit of self congratulatory money. They can live in their bubble all they want but domestically they still have to come to Stoke once a season and we will show them what its like. ONE LAST LAST EDIT: From the first actual football league in 1888, a 12 team league, 4 are in the Premier league right now. - us, Villa, Brom and Everton. Its our duty to be twats and keep this part of this culture alive. They cant get to a Champions League final, these pretenders? boo fucking hoo. Try beating Stoke first, or at least score a goal before you go running to the media about how poor little boo boo leg had his feelings hurt. Wengers done 20 years? We've been around this league for 128 years. Who the fuck is he to dictate whats what. Amazing post.
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Post by Davef on Jan 21, 2016 17:18:45 GMT
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Post by steve66 on Jan 21, 2016 17:39:13 GMT
Sick to death at the way this "incident" keeps getting coverage, no way was the limp chant acceptable though. The "incident" was purely part and parcel of the game, debatable that Ramseys leg was already stuck in the turf before Ryan made contact (if indeed there was any contact) add to the fact that Bentner tugged at Ryan's shirt immediately before the challenge for the 50/50 ball didn't help. Remember Rory breaking his leg? I can but I could not tell you who was involved on Sunderland side because again for me it's what happens in contact sport.
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