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Post by winston on Jan 20, 2016 0:51:15 GMT
I really really really don't get it. He suffered a career threatening injury, that is not a question, that is fact. Yes, it was unfortunate and far from deliberate and i will ardently defend Ryan from any cuntish Arsenal fan who tries to say otherwise. BUT. Here's the thing; Ramsey is in no way deserving of chants like that regardless of if some think it will "get under his skin" or affect his game - no fuck off, you're a distateful specimen if you advocate it or joined in in my opinion. Ryan apologised like he should and it was rejected which Ramsey was perfectly within his rights to do. That should be the end of it. The players themseves have dropped it why can't the fans? On a side note though; i imagine the ones singing the limp chant would have a greatly different opinion had it been Ryan with his leg broken and Arsenal fans were the ones singing it. But then again, if the colour of a football shirt can change your opinion that drastically then i'm not surprised youre a moron who joined in. I've posted far too often on this one but it is because I genuinely don't get it and everyone puts more words up that don't mean anything. Ramsey is fine, no ill effects (christ, someone pls tell me if he is limping and I'll back down straight away), so why is it bad? I just don't get it. After the Chelsea cup game, SJW sprayed a bad ball and someone asked if he was colour blind. Someone posted that his mother was. Is this racist? Doesn't feel it. Is it somehow calling SJW or his mother? Doesn't feel like it. Just seemed funny at the time. If you take the mick out of someone for something that isn't true and you are not slagging off someone that has that problem, then to complain is PC gone wrong. We have so much shite going on the world, a bit of banter about someone with no physical difficulties, saying they have? Wow! Shit man. To quote Shaun, call the cops. If anyone wants to get on their high horse about injustice, I can give them a very long list before Ramsey walks with a fecking limp. Get real. Please!
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Post by switch on Jan 20, 2016 0:54:40 GMT
I really really really don't get it. He suffered a career threatening injury, that is not a question, that is fact. Yes, it was unfortunate and far from deliberate and i will ardently defend Ryan from any cuntish Arsenal fan who tries to say otherwise. BUT. Here's the thing; Ramsey is in no way deserving of chants like that regardless of if some think it will "get under his skin" or affect his game - no fuck off, you're a distateful specimen if you advocate it or joined in in my opinion. Ryan apologised like he should and it was rejected which Ramsey was perfectly within his rights to do. That should be the end of it. The players themseves have dropped it why can't the fans? On a side note though; i imagine the ones singing the limp chant would have a greatly different opinion had it been Ryan with his leg broken and Arsenal fans were the ones singing it. But then again, if the colour of a football shirt can change your opinion that drastically then i'm not surprised youre a moron who joined in. I've posted far too often on this one but it is because I genuinely don't get it and everyone puts more words up that don't mean anything. Ramsey is fine, no ill effects (christ, someone pls tell me if he is limping and I'll back down straight away), so why is it bad? I just don't get it. After the Chelsea cup game, SJW sprayed a bad ball and someone asked if he was colour blind. Someone posted that his mother was. Is this racist? Doesn't feel it. Is it somehow calling SJW or his mother? Doesn't feel like it. Just seemed funny at the time. If you take the mick out of someone for something that isn't true and you are not slagging off someone that has that problem, then to complain is PC gone wrong. We have so much shite going on the world, a bit of banter about someone with no physical difficulties, saying they have? Wow! Shit man. To quote Shaun, call the cops. If anyone wants to get on their high horse about injustice, I can give them a very long list before Ramsey walks with a fecking limp. Get real. Please! Why would colour blindness be Racist? Do you think its okay for fans to sing songs to Adebayor about him being shot at on the team coach? "He didn't die so its alright" is that the point you're making?
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 20, 2016 0:57:51 GMT
This is a non-story propagated by the pro-Arsenal loving press and this chant is the result of Ramsey never being man enough to accept Ryan's sincere apology for something that most knowledgable pundits and ex-pros saw as a freak accident as a result of two players going in too hard in a part of the field where it was stupidity from both of them. In any other walk of life I'd call Ramsay a cunt, and I see no reason why I should treat him any different because he's a nogger player. That also goes for his manager who started the whole thing. Has he ever taken the sting out of this situation by admitting that his comments were an overreaction to the incident? Has he fuck! Has Wenger villified his own supporters for chanting that they wish Shawcross was dead? Has he fuck! And until they both sort their heads out then anything goes. I'm sick of Stoke supporters getting all the blame for what's going on. I agree with that nogger commentator who says that Shawcross and Ramsay should shake hands publicly before one of our games, but will that happen? Will it fuck! Why? Because Ramsay and Wenger still hold a grudge against Shawcross. So let's lay the blame firmly where it lies for all this shit... at their door!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 20, 2016 1:11:22 GMT
This is a non-story propagated by the pro-Arsenal loving press and this chant is the result of Ramsey never being man enough to accept Ryan's sincere apology for something that most knowledgable pundits and ex-pros saw as a freak accident as a result of two players going in too hard in a part of the field where it was stupidity from both of them. In any other walk of life I'd call Ramsay a cunt, and I see no reason why I should treat him any different because he's a nogger player. That also goes for his manager who started the whole thing. Has he ever taken the sting out of this situation by admitting that his comments were an overreaction to the incident? Has he fuck! Has Wenger villified his own supporters for chanting that they wish Shawcross was dead? Has he fuck! And until they both sort their heads out then anything goes. I'm sick of Stoke supporters getting all the blame for what's going on. I agree with that nogger commentator who says that Shawcross and Ramsay should shake hands publicly before one of our games, but will that happen? Will it fuck! Why? Because Ramsay and Wenger still hold a grudge against Shawcross. So let's lay the blame firmly where it lies for all this shit... at their door! OS We HAVE DONE Owd, for several years and there's not much I disagree with above. I think this whole none story should have died a long time ago which is why it saddens me that SOME Stoke fans decided to put the story back into the national headlines on Sunday. Pathetic though it is, it was an absolute 'gift' for the national press and, once again, handed the moral high ground to those who utterly don't deserve it. We KNOW the truth of these matters but the rest of the country believe what they read and our fans are, once again, seen as moronic by the wider football world. OK, it shouldn't matter what they think but, I'm sorry, it really does matter to me how my football club and it's fans are painted, particularly when it's complete bollocks. There's no story here at all but we are all over the newspapers for all the wrong reasons again and that is purely down to the few idiots in our own ranks that put us there.
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Post by winston on Jan 20, 2016 1:15:51 GMT
I've posted far too often on this one but it is because I genuinely don't get it and everyone puts more words up that don't mean anything. Ramsey is fine, no ill effects (christ, someone pls tell me if he is limping and I'll back down straight away), so why is it bad? I just don't get it. After the Chelsea cup game, SJW sprayed a bad ball and someone asked if he was colour blind. Someone posted that his mother was. Is this racist? Doesn't feel it. Is it somehow calling SJW or his mother? Doesn't feel like it. Just seemed funny at the time. If you take the mick out of someone for something that isn't true and you are not slagging off someone that has that problem, then to complain is PC gone wrong. We have so much shite going on the world, a bit of banter about someone with no physical difficulties, saying they have? Wow! Shit man. To quote Shaun, call the cops. If anyone wants to get on their high horse about injustice, I can give them a very long list before Ramsey walks with a fecking limp. Get real. Please! Why would colour blindness be Racist? Do you think its okay for fans to sing songs to Adebayor about him being shot at on the team coach? "He didn't die so its alright" is that the point you're making? Read my post again bud. When you are sober maybe? I was quoting the SJW post as NON racist! Adebayor? Someone deliberately shot at, very frighting. Okay he survived but still a shite day and NOT something to take the piss out of as people did die. Footballer injured by accident, not quite the same thing mate. If ShawX, when he was pulled back by an Arsenal player, also accidentally shot people in a bus then yes, might think differently of this thread. Otherwise?
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Post by chrispk76 on Jan 20, 2016 1:16:14 GMT
Talking about broken legs , I'm sure most , if not all, can remember Rory delap being hacked down in a needless tackle on the touchline that resulted in a double leg break an injury comparable to Ramsey . While every Stoke fan I spoke to tonight could name the fact it was v Sunderland and some remember it being midweek . Not 1 person could tell me who it was that broke delaps leg
(He didn't play for a top club , wasn't based in London and didn't complain after it happened) In fact , compare wenger to pulis and his reaction..
City boss Tony Pulis, wearing the expression of a manager losing rather than winning, said: “It was an horrendous injury and we are absolutely devastated for the lad.
“The performance was smashing and some great things happened out there, but my thoughts and those of the team are with Rory.
“Two people have just gone in for a challenge. Elliott is a seasoned pro and would know Rory, so I’m sure the last thing he would want to do is break his leg.”
That my friends is why Ramsey and wenger get the shit they get !! and 1 song about a limp that doesn't exist will not get my sympathy !! Fuck me where was the hype when fans sung "Shaun Wright Phillips , John Terry's ya dad" or "Robinho she said no" or to Rooney "fat granny shagger" etc...... it's standard wind up bullshit that does not deserve all this time and energy wasted on it !
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 20, 2016 1:26:38 GMT
This is a non-story propagated by the pro-Arsenal loving press and this chant is the result of Ramsey never being man enough to accept Ryan's sincere apology for something that most knowledgable pundits and ex-pros saw as a freak accident as a result of two players going in too hard in a part of the field where it was stupidity from both of them. In any other walk of life I'd call Ramsay a cunt, and I see no reason why I should treat him any different because he's a nogger player. That also goes for his manager who started the whole thing. Has he ever taken the sting out of this situation by admitting that his comments were an overreaction to the incident? Has he fuck! Has Wenger villified his own supporters for chanting that they wish Shawcross was dead? Has he fuck! And until they both sort their heads out then anything goes. I'm sick of Stoke supporters getting all the blame for what's going on. I agree with that nogger commentator who says that Shawcross and Ramsay should shake hands publicly before one of our games, but will that happen? Will it fuck! Why? Because Ramsay and Wenger still hold a grudge against Shawcross. So let's lay the blame firmly where it lies for all this shit... at their door! OS We HAVE DONE Owd, for several years and there's not much I disagree with above. I think this whole none story should have died a long time ago which is why it saddens me that SOME Stoke fans decided to put the story back into the national headlines on Sunday. Pathetic though it is, it was an absolute 'gift' for the national press and, once again, handed the moral high ground to those who utterly don't deserve it. We KNOW the truth of these matters but the rest of the country believe what they read and our fans are, once again, seen as moronic by the wider football world. OK, it shouldn't matter what they think but, I'm sorry, it really does matter to me how my football club and it's fans are painted, particularly when it's complete bollocks. There's no story here at all but we are all over the newspapers for all the wrong reasons again and that is purely down to the few idiots in our own ranks that put us there. Sorry, Doz, but respectfully I disagree. Giving in to the anti-Shawcross agenda is tantamount to accepting their agenda as justified and ours not. Personally I didn't sing the damned chant, but I fully understand why some would. Do you really think the anti-Shawcross agenda would quietly slip away if we took the moral high ground? As long as that pro-Arse press trash are around they'll dig something up to put us down, and IMHO, the only way is to give them as much as they give us until Ramsay and Wenger accept that this really needs to be put to bed. They could do it in an instant if they had any backbone, but it's in their best interests to propagate it because it always makes them the good guys and us the bad. OS.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 20, 2016 1:29:55 GMT
Talking about broken legs , I'm sure most , if not all, can remember Rory delap being hacked down in a needless tackle on the touchline that resulted in a double leg break an injury comparable to Ramsey . While every Stoke fan I spoke to tonight could name the fact it was v Sunderland and some remember it being midweek . Not 1 person could tell me who it was that broke delaps leg (He didn't play for a top club , wasn't based in London and didn't complain after it happened) In fact , compare wenger to pulis and his reaction.. City boss Tony Pulis, wearing the expression of a manager losing rather than winning, said: “It was an horrendous injury and we are absolutely devastated for the lad. “The performance was smashing and some great things happened out there, but my thoughts and those of the team are with Rory. “Two people have just gone in for a challenge. Elliott is a seasoned pro and would know Rory, so I’m sure the last thing he would want to do is break his leg.” That my friends is why Ramsey and wenger get the shit they get !! and 1 song about a limp that doesn't exist will not get my sympathy !! Fuck me where was the hype when fans sung "Shaun Wright Phillips , John Terry's ya dad" or "Robinho she said no" or to Rooney "fat granny shagger" etc...... it's standard wind up bullshit that does not deserve all this time and energy wasted on it ! Again, I agree with much of that mate but there is no story in Rooney 'granny shagging' or in ribbing John Terry/SWP but there is a very well publicised, on-going feud ref Ramsey/Shawcross/Wenger. We all KNOW the truth of the matter but we also know that chanting about Ramsey walking with a limp will be plastered all over the national press because of the well known history behind it. So why hand a gem of a story to a national press that has little sympathy or empathy with Stoke City when we know that we are going to be painted as the vilains. It was IMO just plain stupid.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 20, 2016 1:34:02 GMT
We HAVE DONE Owd, for several years and there's not much I disagree with above. I think this whole none story should have died a long time ago which is why it saddens me that SOME Stoke fans decided to put the story back into the national headlines on Sunday. Pathetic though it is, it was an absolute 'gift' for the national press and, once again, handed the moral high ground to those who utterly don't deserve it. We KNOW the truth of these matters but the rest of the country believe what they read and our fans are, once again, seen as moronic by the wider football world. OK, it shouldn't matter what they think but, I'm sorry, it really does matter to me how my football club and it's fans are painted, particularly when it's complete bollocks. There's no story here at all but we are all over the newspapers for all the wrong reasons again and that is purely down to the few idiots in our own ranks that put us there. Sorry, Doz, but respectfully I disagree. Giving in to the anti-Shawcross agenda is tantamount to accepting their agenda as justified and ours not. Personally I didn't sing the damned chant, but I fully understand why some would. Do you really think the anti-Shawcross agenda would quietly slip away if we took the moral high ground? As long as that pro-Arse press trash are around they'll dig something up to put us down, and IMHO, the only way is to give them as much as they give us until Ramsay and Wenger accept that this really needs to be put to bed. They could do it in an instant if they had any backbone, but it's in their best interests to propagate it because it always makes them the good guys and us the bad. OS. It DOES mate and it always will. It makes no sense to 'gift' the national press more ammunition with which to 'prove' they are right. This is an argument we can never win, especially by giving them exactly what they want.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 20, 2016 2:02:49 GMT
"Invincibles" Typical Gooner, living so far in the past they need a fucking DeLorean just to go to the shops. I don't think there's a more deluded bunch of football supporters on the planet. I thought the Toon army were bad but fuck me, this lot live in a fucking fantasy world !!
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Post by marrer on Jan 20, 2016 5:05:27 GMT
Sorry, Doz, but respectfully I disagree. Giving in to the anti-Shawcross agenda is tantamount to accepting their agenda as justified and ours not. Personally I didn't sing the damned chant, but I fully understand why some would. Do you really think the anti-Shawcross agenda would quietly slip away if we took the moral high ground? As long as that pro-Arse press trash are around they'll dig something up to put us down, and IMHO, the only way is to give them as much as they give us until Ramsay and Wenger accept that this really needs to be put to bed. They could do it in an instant if they had any backbone, but it's in their best interests to propagate it because it always makes them the good guys and us the bad. OS. It DOES mate and it always will. It makes no sense to 'gift' the national press more ammunition with which to 'prove' they are right. This is an argument we can never win, especially by giving them exactly what they want. Agree with you Doz. No problem with taking the piss sometimes out of a player on the other team. But because this story has a history, albeit biased, its daft that we just keep giving it oxygen. I can't be arsed to read all the thread (I can always read some more next year when it comes up yet again because we don't let it go) but I'm damn sure it embarrasses Ryan. So for those reasons, particularly for Ryan, can't we just shut the hell up and let it die a death.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 20, 2016 6:40:44 GMT
Talking about broken legs , I'm sure most , if not all, can remember Rory delap being hacked down in a needless tackle on the touchline that resulted in a double leg break an injury comparable to Ramsey . While every Stoke fan I spoke to tonight could name the fact it was v Sunderland and some remember it being midweek . Not 1 person could tell me who it was that broke delaps leg (He didn't play for a top club , wasn't based in London and didn't complain after it happened) In fact , compare wenger to pulis and his reaction.. City boss Tony Pulis, wearing the expression of a manager losing rather than winning, said: “It was an horrendous injury and we are absolutely devastated for the lad. “The performance was smashing and some great things happened out there, but my thoughts and those of the team are with Rory. “Two people have just gone in for a challenge. Elliott is a seasoned pro and would know Rory, so I’m sure the last thing he would want to do is break his leg.” That my friends is why Ramsey and wenger get the shit they get !! and 1 song about a limp that doesn't exist will not get my sympathy !! Fuck me where was the hype when fans sung "Shaun Wright Phillips , John Terry's ya dad" or "Robinho she said no" or to Rooney "fat granny shagger" etc...... it's standard wind up bullshit that does not deserve all this time and energy wasted on it ! Again, I agree with much of that mate but there is no story in Rooney 'granny shagging' or in ribbing John Terry/SWP but there is a very well publicised, on-going feud ref Ramsey/Shawcross/Wenger. We all KNOW the truth of the matter but we also know that chanting about Ramsey walking with a limp will be plastered all over the national press because of the well known history behind it. So why hand a gem of a story to a national press that has little sympathy or empathy with Stoke City when we know that we are going to be painted as the vilains. It was IMO just plain stupid. It's Wednesday & Monday's news is today's chip wrapping. Suck it up & walk on. We are Stoke!
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Post by switch on Jan 20, 2016 9:15:18 GMT
Why would colour blindness be Racist? Do you think its okay for fans to sing songs to Adebayor about him being shot at on the team coach? "He didn't die so its alright" is that the point you're making? Read my post again bud. When you are sober maybe? I was quoting the SJW post as NON racist! Adebayor? Someone deliberately shot at, very frighting. Okay he survived but still a shite day and NOT something to take the piss out of as people did die. Footballer injured by accident, not quite the same thing mate. If ShawX, when he was pulled back by an Arsenal player, also accidentally shot people in a bus then yes, might think differently of this thread. Otherwise? I'm just saying that in the same way the Adebayor incident is worse than Ramsey's leg break, Ramsey's leg break is worse than jokingly being called colour blind so i don't think you can compare them as the same thing. Plus, Ramsey's injury did actually happen whereas Walters isn't visually impaired. I agree that that the walters comment was 'banter' and thats fine, the stuff towards Ramsey isn't quite the same.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 20, 2016 9:25:42 GMT
Right, the Odemwingie song, finishes with "and we swapped him for a useless cnut" surely this is more offensive to Big Ken than telling Ramsey he a f*cknut who's got a gammy leg, and lets be honest, due to how back his fracture was, sweet justice will be served in the form or arthritis by the time the little gimp is 50!!!
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Post by daveandeddy on Jan 20, 2016 11:45:05 GMT
Just to let you know that being a sperm inside your Father's ball bag doesn't count towards the number of years following a club. Was reading over some of your post's Pugsley and fuck me, a hundred million sperm and you were the quickest! Thats 13 posts from you know knobhead .... Why dont you call it a day and go back to your lego
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 20, 2016 12:12:40 GMT
We've managed to offend Martin Samuel's sensibilities in today's Daily Mail so the chant's ok by me
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Post by Davef on Jan 20, 2016 12:36:20 GMT
We HAVE DONE Owd, for several years and there's not much I disagree with above. I think this whole none story should have died a long time ago which is why it saddens me that SOME Stoke fans decided to put the story back into the national headlines on Sunday. Pathetic though it is, it was an absolute 'gift' for the national press and, once again, handed the moral high ground to those who utterly don't deserve it. We KNOW the truth of these matters but the rest of the country believe what they read and our fans are, once again, seen as moronic by the wider football world. OK, it shouldn't matter what they think but, I'm sorry, it really does matter to me how my football club and it's fans are painted, particularly when it's complete bollocks. There's no story here at all but we are all over the newspapers for all the wrong reasons again and that is purely down to the few idiots in our own ranks that put us there. Sorry, Doz, but respectfully I disagree. Giving in to the anti-Shawcross agenda is tantamount to accepting their agenda as justified and ours not. Personally I didn't sing the damned chant, but I fully understand why some would. Do you really think the anti-Shawcross agenda would quietly slip away if we took the moral high ground? As long as that pro-Arse press trash are around they'll dig something up to put us down, and IMHO, the only way is to give them as much as they give us until Ramsay and Wenger accept that this really needs to be put to bed. They could do it in an instant if they had any backbone, but it's in their best interests to propagate it because it always makes them the good guys and us the bad. OS. I stand to be corrected here, but if my memory serves me correct the chanting on Sunday started in the south stand, next to the away fans and I'd put good money on it starting after the Arsenal fans were chanting "Shawcross, you're a c**t" (in response to the Boothen End singing Ryan's name after a particularly great piece of defending). Like I said, feel free to correct me, but that's how I remember it. Now it's alright for anyone to say that we should take the moral high ground here, but you'd be naive to think that in a sport as tribal as football, nobody is going to sit back and not make any kind of retaliatory gesture to that. The Arsenal fans retort to our chant was "Ramsey, he's won more than you..." That's what football fans do. Like OS says, it's doubtful that the anti-Shawcross agenda will go away until Arsenal themselves accept that it needs putting to bed and even if, as Martin Samuel suggests in the Mail today that Stoke are more pro-active in discouraging Ramsey chants before our games.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2016 12:44:06 GMT
Next time we play Arsenal can't we just give the calcium deficient mard arse a standing ovation when he emerges from the tunnel and again when his name is read out on the team sheet.
A little chant of "one Aaron Ramsey" followed by a standing ovation when once again he is subbed for being an ineffective shithouse, should put the whole matter to bed.
Then we can crack on with abusing anything and everything associated with Arsenal just as we did before the incident and as we would have done had the incident never have happened at all.
Stoke City fans detest Arsenal. It is, or should be woven into our DNA as Stoke City supporters. It dates back long before the Premier League and "anyone but Arsenal" was instilled into me long before we played a Premier League encounter against them. Arsehole Wenger and his gutless bunch of calcium deficient wankers have merely helped to stoke the fires of a deep root dislike that stems back to the days of our parents and grandparents.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2016 12:48:02 GMT
The problem here is that there seem to be very few who are able to see beyond the chant and Aaron Ramsey.
That part of it is insignificant, Ramsey is insignificant, the injury is insignificant. There has always been malicious chanting in football, Ive heard it all, and I reckon I have as much reason to despise Arsenal ever since I had to endure that injust 94th minute penalty from the villain of all villains Peter Storey at Hillsborough.
The significant part of this is the negative impact that it has on the club AND how it paints ALL of our fans and the city with the same brush. I am afraid we are not ALL Stoke. If this is Stoke please do not count me in.
For those who say they couldn't give a toss. Dont make me laugh!...I simply do not believe them. They are usually the first ones on here when any cheap rag or tv pundit says anything remotely non-positive about this club.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 20, 2016 13:04:05 GMT
If it's true dave that all Stoke fans truly hate/detest Arsenal then it's also true that those same fans cannot be rational in discussing issues relating to them because they have already prejudged those issues.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 20, 2016 14:09:52 GMT
Going over old ground here but having read what OldStokie has written I'm compelled to back him up, not that he needs it. The media are going to drag shit up every time Stoke play Arsenal for as long as Ramsey plays for them & Shawcross plays for us.
I know this will offend several people but anyone who believes otherwise lacks either common sense or the benefit of age & experience. The story, Arsenal good, Stoke bad, is already well established and Stoke fans' actions will not change that story whether we sing something truly offensive like "Aaron Ramsey we wish you were dead" or we sing a song in praise of him. This story is now one of life's givens.
If that were not the case the media would be reporting that the song started in response to Ramsey putting on an exaggerated limp following a challenge, part of the Arsenal way of influencing the ref to do something about "rough Stoke", if not this time then next time. They would report on the truly vile chanting from Arsenal fans towards Ryan Shawcross. They would challenge, as MOTD2 did, Arsene Wenger's lie about Stoke having been physical in that game. They do none of these things because they don't fit the narrative, they don't want to know.
Finally, in the context of Ramsey's exaggerated limp, there was a very typical element of cutting football crowd humour in it, dark humour of course but that's always been part of the game I love.
I won't be looking at this thread again, I'm bored to death with it and staggered by how wet some of our support is these days.
Roll on Saturday and a new story.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 20, 2016 14:25:49 GMT
Next time we play Arsenal can't we just give the calcium deficient mard arse a standing ovation when he emerges from the tunnel and again when his name is read out on the team sheet. A little chant of "one Aaron Ramsey" followed by a standing ovation when once again he is subbed for being an ineffective shithouse, should put the whole matter to bed. Then we can crack on with abusing anything and everything associated with Arsenal just as we did before the incident and as we would have done had the incident never have happened at all. Stoke City fans detest Arsenal. It is, or should be woven into our DNA as Stoke City supporters. It dates back long before the Premier League and "anyone but Arsenal" was instilled into me long before we played a Premier League encounter against them. Arsehole Wenger and his gutless bunch of calcium deficient wankers have merely helped to stoke the fires of a deep root dislike that stems back to the days of our parents and grandparents. I really think you should come off the fence Dave and say what you really think of them !!
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 20, 2016 14:56:25 GMT
If it's true dave that all Stoke fans truly hate/detest Arsenal then it's also true that those same fans cannot be rational in discussing issues relating to them because they have already prejudged those issues. Utter rubbish, why don’t you open your mind to the fact that some of us can be objective.
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 20, 2016 15:00:36 GMT
Playing devils advocate... What if we chanted, "you can't take an apology". Wonder how that would be perceived by the media and others?
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Post by metalhead on Jan 20, 2016 15:01:22 GMT
Going over old ground here but having read what OldStokie has written I'm compelled to back him up, not that he needs it. The media are going to drag shit up every time Stoke play Arsenal for as long as Ramsey plays for them & Shawcross plays for us. I know this will offend several people but anyone who believes otherwise lacks either common sense or the benefit of age & experience. The story, Arsenal good, Stoke bad, is already well established and Stoke fans' actions will not change that story whether we sing something truly offensive like "Aaron Ramsey we wish you were dead" or we sing a song in praise of him. This story is now one of life's givens. If that were not the case the media would be reporting that the song started in response to Ramsey putting on an exaggerated limp following a challenge, part of the Arsenal way of influencing the ref to do something about "rough Stoke", if not this time then next time. They would report on the truly vile chanting from Arsenal fans towards Ryan Shawcross. They would challenge, as MOTD2 did, Arsene Wenger's lie about Stoke having been physical in that game. They do none of these things because they don't fit the narrative, they don't want to know. Finally, in the context of Ramsey's exaggerated limp, there was a very typical element of cutting football crowd humour in it, dark humour of course but that's always been part of the game I love. I won't be looking at this thread again, I'm bored to death with it and staggered by how wet some of our support is these days. Roll on Saturday and a new story. Actually, one thing I noticed right from the off, that Ramsey was one of a number of Arsenal players given the task to 'influence' the referee. Not just the exaggerated limp, but he was straight in the refs face from minute one.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 20, 2016 15:04:04 GMT
Dave claims Stoke fans HATE Arsenal david, if it's true then people who hate someone or something will find it almost impossible to be objective.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2016 15:26:24 GMT
If it's true dave that all Stoke fans truly hate/detest Arsenal then it's also true that those same fans cannot be rational in discussing issues relating to them because they have already prejudged those issues. ey up neutral, lover of potteries football Geoff123. How are you? Who wants or needs to be rational about these things? Did Aaron Ramsey have a good game on Sunday? Has Aaron Ramsey ever had a good game at Stoke City? If the answer to those two fundamental questions is "No" then Stoke City supporters are doing a great job helping their team regardless of what is or isn't chanted during the game.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 20, 2016 15:29:04 GMT
If it's true dave that all Stoke fans truly hate/detest Arsenal then it's also true that those same fans cannot be rational in discussing issues relating to them because they have already prejudged those issues. ey up neutral, lover of potteries football Geoff123. How are you? Who wants or needs to be rational about these things? Did Aaron Ramsey have a good game on Sunday? Has Aaron Ramsey ever had a good game at Stoke City? If the answer to those two fundamental questions is "No" then Stoke City supporters are doing a great job helping their team regardless of what is or isn't chanted during the game. To be fair, Ramsey cleared the header off the line and it was a decent goal line clearance. Other than that he was pretty useless imo.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2016 15:39:39 GMT
Playing devils advocate... What if we chanted, "you can't take an apology". Wonder how that would be perceived by the media and others? That is far too smart and would run the risk of triggering a discussion rather than the usual set of reactionary nonsense that just serves to perpuate all the usual myths and stereotypes about Stoke (most of which are true, if this forum is taken as representative).
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 20, 2016 15:44:30 GMT
Playing devils advocate... What if we chanted, "you can't take an apology". Wonder how that would be perceived by the media and others? That is far too smart and would run the risk of triggering a discussion rather than the usual set of reactionary nonsense that just serves to perpuate all the usual myths and stereotypes about Stoke (most of which are true, if this forum is taken as representative). to be fair, most pundits and commentators nowadays do mention the fact the the fans boo purely because of the way Wenger acted and because of the lack of acceptance of the apology. i had to watch at home at the weekend and the 3 streams i ended up having to use all mentioned that. the days of it being any kind of media frenzy are mostly gone really (even after this weekend, most in the media reported on what Wenger said about the chant but on th whole agreed it was a storm in a teacup). i think most of the media are thoroughly bored about the whys and wherefores nowadays and when they do go into it fully explain the reasons for the booing. they just tend to say things like "There's no love lost" or "There's always plenty of passion" etc. but don't get too caught up in it anymore
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