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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 19, 2016 20:42:54 GMT
if you like, we can post pictures of Osama Bin Laden, Jihadi John, the 'new' Jihadi John, Piers Morgan and the rest of Arsenal's illustrious support? That football club seems attract a certain type of fan. Let's not forget Johnny Rotten aka John Lydon. (Mind you I do like PIL)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 20:55:00 GMT
I couldn't care less what our fans think about ramsey. He is a quality player who i think has had more than his fair share of abuse now. Wenger has made this 10 times worse than it should have been. The sooner this abuse towards ramsey ends the better, i am sick of hearing about it every time this fixture comes along. Even commentators drag it up every time now too. I would rather us sing shawcrosses name for 90 minutes than lower myself to join in the sick abuse towards ramsey.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 19, 2016 20:59:19 GMT
Well done, a MEME combining a Stoke fan with a weird-shaped head and a tactic we haven't employed for years. I would download a MEME generator and make one featuring Dara O'Briain and Arsenal boring the fuck out of everybody under George Graham, but I can't be arsed.
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Post by winston on Jan 19, 2016 21:02:55 GMT
True or false: 1) The holocaust 2) Togo National team's bus attacked, including Adebayor 3) Harry Redknapp heart problems 4) Aaron Ramsey walks with a limp Pick the odd one out Exactly!
My cus is about to have her leg amputated, my aunt was in a wheelchair, my uncle lost both his legs, my granddad was an amputee due to pro football (I saw some graffiti in an away toilet calling him a cripple once, who was that meant to offend? Away supporters?), I could go on. Would I get offended about the same song for them, yes. Did I sing the song about Ramsey, yes.
Why? He plays pro football so clearly doesn't walk with a limp and it isn't offensive to people that do. So, any reason why it is sick/disgraceful, rather than funny?
The guy needs to get some closure, say he accepts the apology and move on. He might even get an acknowledgement of approval next time at the Brit!
Their response, was it "he's won more than you" or "he's got more than you"? First applies to us all and the second is because they pay £80 to sit with their fingers on their lips.
Go back to throwing coins at kids Arsenal, show your true class
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jan 19, 2016 21:32:38 GMT
Tin hat well and truly on.
I hate this entire subject. Since Ramsey's leg break, I haven't been to a match between us and Arsenal. I want to watch us play football against other clubs, not listen to the constant bollocks from both sets of fans. Why can't it just be left in the past?
I'm not going to boo Ramsey. If he doesn't want to accept Ryan's apology that's his prerogative. At the time of the incident I imagine he would've been terrified about whether his career was over before it had begun, so I think it's understandable that he wouldn't be massively eager to accept an apology under those circumstances.
To sing songs about his injury is just horrible and fucking embarrassing. The amount of shit we gave Wolves fans when they sang about Etherington not going to Wembley shows that we don't find it acceptable when it's aimed at one of our players, but it's OK for us to do it to an Arsenal player. Hypocrisy.
And the amount of people on this thread who've accused Arsenal and Ramsey of being precious and sensitive because it's just football banter, but have gone on to complain that that nasty Frenchman started all this because he said unkind things about our style of play just says it all. Clearly, a large number of our fanbase are more than happy to dish it out, but can't take it.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 19, 2016 22:05:03 GMT
The amount of shit we gave Wolves fans when they sang about Etherington not going to Wembley shows that we don't find it acceptable when it's aimed at one of our players, but it's OK for us to do it to an Arsenal player. Hypocrisy. Wolves sang it as Ethers was being stretchered off the pitch. The Britannia Stadium rose as one to applaud when the same happened to Ramsey.
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Post by Davef on Jan 19, 2016 22:05:04 GMT
Tin hat well and truly on. I hate this entire subject. Since Ramsey's leg break, I haven't been to a match between us and Arsenal. I want to watch us play football against other clubs, not listen to the constant bollocks from both sets of fans. Why can't it just be left in the past? I'm not going to boo Ramsey. If he doesn't want to accept Ryan's apology that's his prerogative. At the time of the incident I imagine he would've been terrified about whether his career was over before it had begun, so I think it's understandable that he wouldn't be massively eager to accept an apology under those circumstances. To sing songs about his injury is just horrible and fucking embarrassing. The amount of shit we gave Wolves fans when they sang about Etherington not going to Wembley shows that we don't find it acceptable when it's aimed at one of our players, but it's OK for us to do it to an Arsenal player. Hypocrisy. And the amount of people on this thread who've accused Arsenal and Ramsey of being precious and sensitive because it's just football banter, but have gone on to complain that that nasty Frenchman started all this because he said unkind things about our style of play just says it all. Clearly, a large number of our fanbase are more than happy to dish it out, but can't take it. Yes, it is Ramsey's prerogative not to accept Ryan's apology, but if he'd done so then this whole sorry saga would've been dead and buried long ago. There have been several high profile incidents like this over the past few years, but only this one has festered. Why? I'll tell you why. Because the other victims of bad leg breaks; Holden, Ben Arfa, Delap, Eduardo and Shaw have all acknowledged that these things happen and have been man enough to accept that the perpetrators are genuinely sorry and have got on with their careers. Not Aaron Ramsey though. By refusing to accept the apology he's basically saying that Ryan purposely sought him out to break his leg in half. Yes, that's right. After 67 minutes of a match in which only one player had been booked (not a Stoke player by the way), Ryan Shawcross decided, in a split second, that he was going to end Aaron Ramsey's season with a deliberate, career threatening tackle. And only by refusing to accept the apology and that Ryan was genuinely remorseful (as his actions in the immediate aftermath showed) has this situation developed into the farce we see, season in, season out. Had that happened there is no way Ramsey would be subjected to any kind of abuse, and I reckon Arsenal and Wenger himself may not have had such a hard time on our ground since. Ramsey was applauded off the pitch at the time of the injury and there was genuine goodwill towards him on this messageboard and in the fanzine. He would've been treated well on all of his returns to the Brit, I've got no doubt about that. I don't really agree with the chanting and I certainly wouldn't join in with it, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I don't see why any of our fans would to be honest.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 19, 2016 22:19:23 GMT
You only had to listen to Wenger's comments on MOTD to see how he manipulates Stoke for his own advantage.
Unfortunately he also seems to be able to manipulate some Stoke fans too.
Ramsey was applauded off the pitch that day and Shawcross was covered in gob from Arsenal fans despite leaving the pitch in tears.
But despite how many apologies we make Wenger won't let it lie and brings Stokes' 'Physicality' up at every opportunity. Knowing full well that the vast majority of people who swallow the shit never watch Stoke play week in week out.
Because it suits his agenda.
An excuse when he loses at Stoke or drops points to us.
If Arsenal beat us at the Brit every season this would never have been an issue.
And yet Stoke fans are expected to doff their caps and swallow his agenda. Despite their vile comments about Jews and Africans the racist Arsenal scum have the temerity to criticise us.
You just couldn't make it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 22:22:03 GMT
Arsenal fans precious, yet our fans hurl abuse at a player every game he faces us for not accepting an apology from one of our players. Does ryan actually care about this anymore, if anything this will push ryan out of the club.
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Post by whydelilah on Jan 19, 2016 22:28:52 GMT
Hey invincibles, how's it going? It's admirable that you're sticking by your player and giving him support. That is perfectly understandable and I doff my cap to you. It's a shame your lot didn't give Ramsey that "support" a couple of years ago when he was struggling for form though. The Arsenal "faithful" got on his back and harassed him that much that Wenger openly admitted he seriously considered not playing him in games at the Emirates as he thought the rebuke would be too much for him. That's right, a manager considered dropping a player from home games in fear of what his own fans would dish out to him. That kind of stuff must really make you proud. It doesn't matter whether we are plying our trade in the top flight or in the third division. It's irrelevant if one of our players is in a rich vein of form or suffering a slump and struggling for confidence. Come match day, regardless of team selection, they will always get our backing. That's what proper supporters do. In the confines of a message board or down the local boozer we'll all have our our own favourites and criticise those who we think are not quite cutting the mustard. When Saturday 3pm arrives though, and the selected eleven cross that white line and the ref blows his whistle, they retain our unwavering support from the first minute to the last. That's how we do things round these parts, we look after our own. You may look down your nose at our club or others of our stature, but we can sleep easily at night safe in the knowledge that we support our club (and players) through thick and thin, we don't try and hound them out when the going gets tough. That is what Stoke fans do. Stoke fans aren't fickle cunts. Stoke fans can look themselves in the mirror at night with a clear conscience. Be like Stoke fans.
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Post by invincibles on Jan 19, 2016 22:34:54 GMT
I've followed them since 1985.....by our high standards, there are quite a few season's in that period that were disappointing. It all depends how high a clubs standards are and its all relative....survival for Stoke was an achievement a in 2008/09. Dont try and take the moral high ground guys you know I'm right Just to let you know that being a sperm inside your Father's ball bag doesn't count towards the number of years following a club. Was reading over some of your post's Pugsley and fuck me, a hundred million sperm and you were the quickest!
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Post by Davef on Jan 19, 2016 22:35:03 GMT
Arsenal fans precious, yet our fans hurl abuse at a player every game he faces us for not accepting an apology from one of our players. Does ryan actually care about this anymore, if anything this will push ryan out of the club. That last line is just plain daft. As for the rest of it, well had Ramsey accepted what was a sincere apology from Ryan Shawcross then you wouldn't have ended up being sick of the whole episode and maybe Ryan wouldn't have to put up with being called a c**t and had Arsenal fans chanting that they wished he was dead (a genuine vile and sick chant if ever there was one) every time the two clubs meet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 22:51:25 GMT
Arsenal fans precious, yet our fans hurl abuse at a player every game he faces us for not accepting an apology from one of our players. Does ryan actually care about this anymore, if anything this will push ryan out of the club. That last line is just plain daft. As for the rest of it, well had Ramsey accepted what was a sincere apology from Ryan Shawcross then you wouldn't have ended up being sick of the whole episode and maybe Ryan wouldn't have to put up with being called a c**t and had Arsenal fans chanting that they wished he was dead (a genuine vile and sick chant if ever there was one) every time the two clubs meet. You talk about ramsey as though he was a mature adult, he was a kid and still is. As much as ryam loves the support from us, i am sure even he would like this to go away. I can't condone what arsenal fans chant, but it is not as though ramsey has told them to do it. You seem to blame ramsey for what arsenal fans say. Wenger is the the problem, his petulance has made this fued between our clubs esculate and would probably have prevented ramsey from accepting ryans apology at the time.
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Post by stokeson on Jan 19, 2016 22:54:46 GMT
Becauses a bunch of morons ( my opinion) have used that vile chant. The media have had a field day ,Not talking about how well we played against a TOP club but reminding us what a SMALL club mentality we have ... Well Done ..
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Post by Davef on Jan 19, 2016 22:56:50 GMT
That last line is just plain daft. As for the rest of it, well had Ramsey accepted what was a sincere apology from Ryan Shawcross then you wouldn't have ended up being sick of the whole episode and maybe Ryan wouldn't have to put up with being called a c**t and had Arsenal fans chanting that they wished he was dead (a genuine vile and sick chant if ever there was one) every time the two clubs meet. You talk about ramsey as though he was a mature adult, he was a kid and still is. As much as ryam loves the support from us, i am sure even he would like this to go away. I can't condone what arsenal fans chant, but it is not as though ramsey has told them to do it. You seem to blame ramsey for what arsenal fans say. Wenger is the the problem, his petulance has made this fued between our clubs esculate and would probably have prevented ramsey from accepting ryans apology at the time. Luke Shaw is around the same age now as Aaron Ramsey was when he picked up his injury.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 19, 2016 23:11:02 GMT
The press have obviously, well they would wouldn't they, picked up on the chanting aimed at Ramsey but Sunday just proves that there are moronic idiots in all football crowds. I choose those words because, IMHO, that's exactly what those chanting at Ramsey are. They are, however, not unique and Arsenal fans are just as bad.
Wenger is at fault, Ramsey is (to some degree) at fault and Arsenal fans are at fault for their treatment of Shawcross who was once involved in a complete fucking accident with Ramsey. However.......we really shouldn't be using any of that to justify stupidity from some of our own fans and it's time we stopped trying to defend the indefensible.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 19, 2016 23:14:21 GMT
This is fucking boring now - Everyone has had their say - Time to fuck it off admin?
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Post by burge2u on Jan 19, 2016 23:17:50 GMT
Stoke City are less than one week away from the most important match since 2011, and yet there is still 23 pages raging about this stupid name calling.
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Post by winston on Jan 19, 2016 23:20:32 GMT
Tin hat well and truly on. I hate this entire subject. Since Ramsey's leg break, I haven't been to a match between us and Arsenal. I want to watch us play football against other clubs, not listen to the constant bollocks from both sets of fans. Why can't it just be left in the past? I'm not going to boo Ramsey. If he doesn't want to accept Ryan's apology that's his prerogative. At the time of the incident I imagine he would've been terrified about whether his career was over before it had begun, so I think it's understandable that he wouldn't be massively eager to accept an apology under those circumstances. To sing songs about his injury is just horrible and fucking embarrassing. The amount of shit we gave Wolves fans when they sang about Etherington not going to Wembley shows that we don't find it acceptable when it's aimed at one of our players, but it's OK for us to do it to an Arsenal player. Hypocrisy. And the amount of people on this thread who've accused Arsenal and Ramsey of being precious and sensitive because it's just football banter, but have gone on to complain that that nasty Frenchman started all this because he said unkind things about our style of play just says it all. Clearly, a large number of our fanbase are more than happy to dish it out, but can't take it. Yes, it is Ramsey's prerogative not to accept Ryan's apology, but if he'd done so then this whole sorry saga would've been dead and buried long ago. There have been several high profile incidents like this over the past few years, but only this one has festered. Why? I'll tell you why. Because the other victims of bad leg breaks; Holden, Ben Arfa, Delap, Eduardo and Shaw have all acknowledged that these things happen and have been man enough to accept that the perpetrators are genuinely sorry and have got on with their careers. Not Aaron Ramsey though. By refusing to accept the apology he's basically saying that Ryan purposely sought him out to break his leg in half. Yes, that's right. After 67 minutes of a match in which only one player had been booked (not a Stoke player by the way), Ryan Shawcross decided, in a split second, that he was going to end Aaron Ramsey's season with a deliberate, career threatening tackle. And only by refusing to accept the apology and that Ryan was genuinely remorseful (as his actions in the immediate aftermath showed) has this situation developed into the farce we see, season in, season out. Had that happened there is no way Ramsey would be subjected to any kind of abuse, and I reckon Arsenal and Wenger himself may not have had such a hard time on our ground since. Ramsey was applauded off the pitch at the time of the injury and there was genuine goodwill towards him on this messageboard and in the fanzine. He would've been treated well on all of his returns to the Brit, I've got no doubt about that. I don't really agree with the chanting and I certainly wouldn't join in with it, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I don't see why any of our fans would to be honest. Agreed. If I thought there was any intent, other than the girly grab to hold Ryan back, then I wouldn't join in with the abuse. Some of the posters on here need to eat a bit of meat and get over themselves. Nothing bad has happened to Ramsey. When I broke my arm I had to carry on working, he was paid x a week and has fully recovered. What is wrong with people? First world problems? Worse than that, feels like First World, First Class problems. Have any of the moaners had a real problem in their life?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 19, 2016 23:21:54 GMT
"Invincibles"
Typical Gooner, living so far in the past they need a fucking DeLorean just to go to the shops.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 19, 2016 23:23:58 GMT
Stoke City are less than one week away from the most important match since 2011, and yet there is still 23 pages raging about this stupid name calling. Clearly there are 23 pages because it's a subject that has been plastered across the national press and there are (obviously) divided opinions on the matter. It's obviously a subject that Stoke fans want to discuss and it had no bearing whatsoever on Stoke's upcoming meeting at Anfield which is a massive matter for ALL Stoke fans.
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Post by winston on Jan 19, 2016 23:24:07 GMT
Indefensible and vile, the latest two comments. Comes with the prem and gentrification I guess
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Post by LphPotter on Jan 19, 2016 23:31:52 GMT
Aaron Ramsey does not walk with a limp though that's the thing, if he seriously did and his career was ruined then the chants obviously wouldn't be acceptable. Whilst i did not join in with the chants i do not get the big deal at all, he is completely fine and enjoying a good career so what's the problem? A bit stupid yes, anything malicious? Not at all. Whilst i'm at it booing him just like we do all their team is fine and something we do in an attempt to help our team win.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 19, 2016 23:32:21 GMT
Indefensible and vile, the latest two comments. Comes with the prem and gentrification I guess No offence but........fuck right off! I've followed Stoke for more than 50 years and there's little I haven't experienced over those years but IMO, chanting that shit at Ramsey was completely INDEFENSIBLE. I can assure you that 'gentrification' has fuck all to do with that........it was just a bloody stupid thing for SOME Stoke fans to do and did our club no credit whatsoever. No doubt they will claim they don't give a toss what the wider world thinks of Stoke City. Sadly......I do.
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Post by burge2u on Jan 19, 2016 23:35:22 GMT
Stoke City are less than one week away from the most important match since 2011, and yet there is still 23 pages raging about this stupid name calling. Clearly there are 23 pages because it's a subject that has been plastered across the national press and there are (obviously) divided opinions on the matter. It's obviously a subject that Stoke fans want to discuss and it had no bearing whatsoever on Stoke's upcoming meeting at Anfield which is a massive matter for ALL Stoke fans. Doz, just to clarify I'm not in anyway condoning the chanting. At the match I have to say that I personally found it cringeworthy. We have much better 'songs' which encourage our own players. My point is that it's time to let go, reunite our support for Stoke City and focus on more important forthcoming matches.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 19, 2016 23:46:08 GMT
Clearly there are 23 pages because it's a subject that has been plastered across the national press and there are (obviously) divided opinions on the matter. It's obviously a subject that Stoke fans want to discuss and it had no bearing whatsoever on Stoke's upcoming meeting at Anfield which is a massive matter for ALL Stoke fans. Doz, just to clarify I'm not in anyway condoning the chanting. At the match I have to say that I personally found it cringeworthy. We have much better 'songs' which encourage our own players. My point is that it's time to let go, reunite our support for Stoke City and focus on more important forthcoming matches. Mate, I think the whole Ramsey/Shawcross matter should have been put to bed several seasons ago....it's history and these things happen in sport all the time. I know that Wenger has been the main problem here which is a shame because he'd probably get the respect he warrants but for his stupid attitude and public comments. As I said, the press are obviously going to pick up on Sunday's chanting because it's a good story for them so there was bound to be considerable debate on here as a result. Personally, I can't wait for next Tuesday and I know we'll all be 'united' whatever our views on other matters.
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Post by winston on Jan 20, 2016 0:23:00 GMT
THIS, is offensive. A piss take of a "celebrity", with no actual substance has turned into posting a photo of a normal lad with insinuations? No right to appeal, just pick someone up that you feel isn't perfect? I'm guessing? CNUT. Lets all feel sorry because we've taken the mick out of someone with no real venom (certainly no substance, I didn't see a limp) and yet you've posted a photo of a bloke missing some teeth? Some bloke who is probably a dad, maybe a g'dad, whose kids will have to endure bullying because of it? PVT me mate, I'll come down and tell you why you are wrong. And any Stokie still banging on about it should hang their head in shame. Feck off to a board meeting cos I'm bored of this thread, metro men.
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Post by winston on Jan 20, 2016 0:30:07 GMT
Indefensible and vile, the latest two comments. Comes with the prem and gentrification I guess No offence but........fuck right off! I've followed Stoke for more than 50 years and there's little I haven't experienced over those years but IMO, chanting that shit at Ramsey was completely INDEFENSIBLE. I can assure you that 'gentrification' has fuck all to do with that........it was just a bloody stupid thing for SOME Stoke fans to do and did our club no credit whatsoever. No doubt they will claim they don't give a toss what the wider world thinks of Stoke City. Sadly......I do. Just words mate. Articulate why it was indefensible. Read my post about my family, I don't see anything wrong with telling a pro footballer that they have a limp. Tell me why bud. Please don't take this the wrong way if you are but if I said you walked with a limp would you be offended? I broke my hand recently and mates asking me if I'm missing "sex"? Do I get offended, no, it isn't real. He isn't affected by the injury and gets a shed load of money. End of. My g'dad spent his last years in a wheel chair with no money but I'm not caught up in the "abusive to disabled people" slant and I can't see any other reason why your nickers are wet
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 20, 2016 0:38:33 GMT
No offence but........fuck right off! I've followed Stoke for more than 50 years and there's little I haven't experienced over those years but IMO, chanting that shit at Ramsey was completely INDEFENSIBLE. I can assure you that 'gentrification' has fuck all to do with that........it was just a bloody stupid thing for SOME Stoke fans to do and did our club no credit whatsoever. No doubt they will claim they don't give a toss what the wider world thinks of Stoke City. Sadly......I do. Just words mate. Articulate why it was indefensible. Read my post about my family, I don't see anything wrong with telling a pro footballer that they have a limp. Tell me why bud. Please don't take this the wrong way if you are but if I said you walked with a limp would you be offended? I broke my hand recently and mates asking me if I'm missing "sex"? Do I get offended, no, it isn't real. He isn't affected by the injury and gets a shed load of money. End of. My g'dad spent his last years in a wheel chair with no money but I'm not caught up in the "abusive to disabled people" slant and I can't see any other reason why your nickers are wet I DID mean it mate.....no offence (just letting off steam Just how I see it mate. Seen and heard just about everthing in my time but, I admit, I just thought it put our club in a really bad light given how we KNEW how the press would run with it. We can't really have a go at the press when we presented them with (for them) a great story. In reality, it's a NONE STORY but a section of our crowd have kept it alive. All of this rubbish should be left in the past and, the fact it's now all over the newspapers AGAIN is down those who chose to put it there (IMO).
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Post by switch on Jan 20, 2016 0:40:53 GMT
I really really really don't get it. He suffered a career threatening injury, that is not a question, that is fact. Yes, it was unfortunate and far from deliberate and i will ardently defend Ryan from any cuntish Arsenal fan who tries to say otherwise. BUT. Here's the thing; Ramsey is in no way deserving of chants like that regardless of if some think it will "get under his skin" or affect his game - no fuck off, you're a distateful specimen if you advocate it or joined in in my opinion. Ryan apologised like he should and it was rejected which Ramsey was perfectly within his rights to do. That should be the end of it. The players themseves have dropped it why can't the fans?
On a side note though; i imagine the ones singing the limp chant would have a greatly different opinion had it been Ryan with his leg broken and Arsenal fans were the ones singing it. But then again, if the colour of a football shirt can change your opinion that drastically then i'm not surprised youre a moron who joined in.
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