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Jan 10, 2016 16:14:00 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2016 16:14:00 GMT
I saw it quite differently imagine yourself in that position (and Im assuming by your views - you've bestowed upon yourself, better reflexes than an international opening batsman in a test match too ) easier to score than miss ? my arse ! (with all due respect) I was a goalkeeper so I could miss from anywhere :-) but I wasn't paid 50k per week to score goals. Diouf, Walters or Joselu would have been slaughtered for that. Even crouch's reaction tells you he should have scored. Yup definitely should have scored. But I thought Diouf should have buried the inital header too.
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Jan 10, 2016 16:14:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 16:14:21 GMT
and I suppose we cannot factor in the superb skill Crouch Exhibited in scoring the FIRST one that did actually count can we ?
super finish wasnt it eh ?
Im just pointing out, some folk dont like Peter Crouch on here AND WILL USE ANY LAME EXCUSE TO HAVE A POP
justifieD or not
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Jan 10, 2016 16:19:37 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 10, 2016 16:19:37 GMT
and I suppose we cannot factor in the superb skill Crouch Exhibited in scoring the FIRST one that did actually count can we ? super finish wasnt it eh ? Im just pointing out, some folk dont like Peter Crouch on here AND WILL USE ANY LAME EXCUSE TO HAVE A POP justifies or not I'm not sure anyone is having a pop at crouch. His goal was an excellent one as was Walters'. When crouch missed I laughed and made a joke about it being a long way from his brain to his feet. I'm pretty sure I'd have reacted differently had Walters, for example, missed that chance.
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Jan 10, 2016 16:27:50 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2016 16:27:50 GMT
For Christ's sake don't make a joke. Apparently the Stoke faithful has lost its sense of humour!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2016 22:02:49 GMT
The guy is closing in on 200 PL appearances in his 6th season, having played in 92% of the PL games in that period, under two very different but both very good experienced PL managers. That simply couldn't happen unless he is a good PL level player, which he is. To say otherwise is effectively to say that both Pulis and Hughes don't know they are doing, which is self-evidently wrong.
At 32, and as part of what is arguably the best squad the club has ever had, you don't have to be nostradamus to predict that perhaps he won't get as much game time in the remaining 2 and a half years of his contract as he's had in the first 5 and a half years, but that fact, if indeed it turns out to be a fact, doesn't detract in any way from his ability or his contribution to where we are now.
IMHO he has "suffered" unfairly more than most from some detractors on this board, although I doubt whether that will have bothered him a lot, if at all - a fate which, bizarrely, seems to befall players whose names begin with 'w'. Wilson, Woolscheid, Whelan and Whitehead have all, unfairly IMHO, been there at different times, but fortunately the managers and coaches have seen it differently.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:04:49 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 10, 2016 22:04:49 GMT
Altogether now; 'Super super John..Super Johnny Walters'
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Jan 10, 2016 22:19:43 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 10, 2016 22:19:43 GMT
The guy is closing in on 200 PL appearances in his 6th season, having played in 92% of the PL games in that period, under two very different but both very good experienced PL managers. That simply couldn't happen unless he is a good PL level player, which he is. To say otherwise is effectively to say that both Pulis and Hughes don't know they are doing, which is self-evidently wrong. At 32, and as part of what is arguably the best squad the club has ever had, you don't have to be nostradamus to predict that perhaps he won't get as much game time in the remaining 2 and a half years of his contract as he's had in the first 5 and a half years, but that fact, if indeed it turns out to be a fact, doesn't detract in any way from his ability or his contribution to where we are now. IMHO he has "suffered" unfairly more than most from some detractors on this board, although I doubt whether that will have bothered him a lot, if at all - a fate which, bizarrely, seems to befall players whose names begin with 'w'. Wilson, Woolshied, Whelan and Whitehead have all, unfairly IMHO, been there at different times, but fortunately the managers and coaches have seen it differently. Can I ask you a question? Has there ever been a Stoke city player you haven't liked? Were you one of those who applauded our team off when we lost 2-0 to 9 man millwall? Dean whitehead was not unfairly maligned. He was far more popular than his ability ever merited. I've seen some shit in my time supporting Stoke and pound for pound, dean whitehead is right up there with the worst of them.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:24:41 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 10, 2016 22:24:41 GMT
The guy is closing in on 200 PL appearances in his 6th season, having played in 92% of the PL games in that period, under two very different but both very good experienced PL managers. That simply couldn't happen unless he is a good PL level player, which he is. To say otherwise is effectively to say that both Pulis and Hughes don't know they are doing, which is self-evidently wrong. At 32, and as part of what is arguably the best squad the club has ever had, you don't have to be nostradamus to predict that perhaps he won't get as much game time in the remaining 2 and a half years of his contract as he's had in the first 5 and a half years, but that fact, if indeed it turns out to be a fact, doesn't detract in any way from his ability or his contribution to where we are now. IMHO he has "suffered" unfairly more than most from some detractors on this board, although I doubt whether that will have bothered him a lot, if at all - a fate which, bizarrely, seems to befall players whose names begin with 'w'. Wilson, Woolshied, Whelan and Whitehead have all, unfairly IMHO, been there at different times, but fortunately the managers and coaches have seen it differently. Great summary.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:50:32 GMT
Post by march4 on Jan 10, 2016 22:50:32 GMT
SJW simply has to play in every game left this season.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:52:33 GMT
Post by muglump on Jan 10, 2016 22:52:33 GMT
SJW simply has to play in every game left this season. who for?
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Jan 10, 2016 22:53:43 GMT
Post by march4 on Jan 10, 2016 22:53:43 GMT
SJW simply has to play in every game left this season. who for? The £12M man.
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Post by Paddypotter on Jan 10, 2016 22:54:35 GMT
He must be shit if march4 likes him
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Jan 10, 2016 22:55:14 GMT
Post by muglump on Jan 10, 2016 22:55:14 GMT
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Jan 10, 2016 22:58:43 GMT
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 10, 2016 22:58:43 GMT
Jon Walters, the man that proves every critic wrong. Thanks, good night.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 10, 2016 23:19:23 GMT
The guy is closing in on 200 PL appearances in his 6th season, having played in 92% of the PL games in that period, under two very different but both very good experienced PL managers. That simply couldn't happen unless he is a good PL level player, which he is. To say otherwise is effectively to say that both Pulis and Hughes don't know they are doing, which is self-evidently wrong. At 32, and as part of what is arguably the best squad the club has ever had, you don't have to be nostradamus to predict that perhaps he won't get as much game time in the remaining 2 and a half years of his contract as he's had in the first 5 and a half years, but that fact, if indeed it turns out to be a fact, doesn't detract in any way from his ability or his contribution to where we are now. IMHO he has "suffered" unfairly more than most from some detractors on this board, although I doubt whether that will have bothered him a lot, if at all - a fate which, bizarrely, seems to befall players whose names begin with 'w'. Wilson, Woolshied, Whelan and Whitehead have all, unfairly IMHO, been there at different times, but fortunately the managers and coaches have seen it differently. Spot on.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2016 23:44:19 GMT
The guy is closing in on 200 PL appearances in his 6th season, having played in 92% of the PL games in that period, under two very different but both very good experienced PL managers. That simply couldn't happen unless he is a good PL level player, which he is. To say otherwise is effectively to say that both Pulis and Hughes don't know they are doing, which is self-evidently wrong. At 32, and as part of what is arguably the best squad the club has ever had, you don't have to be nostradamus to predict that perhaps he won't get as much game time in the remaining 2 and a half years of his contract as he's had in the first 5 and a half years, but that fact, if indeed it turns out to be a fact, doesn't detract in any way from his ability or his contribution to where we are now. IMHO he has "suffered" unfairly more than most from some detractors on this board, although I doubt whether that will have bothered him a lot, if at all - a fate which, bizarrely, seems to befall players whose names begin with 'w'. Wilson, Woolshied, Whelan and Whitehead have all, unfairly IMHO, been there at different times, but fortunately the managers and coaches have seen it differently. Can I ask you a question? Has there ever been a Stoke city player you haven't liked? Were you one of those who applauded our team off when we lost 2-0 to 9 man millwall? Dean whitehead was not unfairly maligned. He was far more popular than his ability ever merited. I've seen some shit in my time supporting Stoke and pound for pound, dean whitehead is right up there with the worst of them. If by 'haven't liked' you mean thought wasn't good enough, how long have you got, Dave ? Any number, particularly in the dark years of relegation, 3rd tier football etc. And managers too. But no player ever signs themselves, or selects themselves.So long as a player gives his all for the club and behaves professionally on and off the field, I will 'like' them and maybe applaud them, even if their ability doesn't match their commitment. I'm afraid my memory simply isn't good enough to say whether I did that on the occasion you mention. Personally, I think your comment about Whitehead is considerably OTT. I think he fell into that category of player whose particular assets tend to be more appreciated by the professional coaches than some supporters. I think there is an element of that with SJW as well.
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Jan 10, 2016 23:46:27 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 10, 2016 23:46:27 GMT
Behave I can't see Bournmouth signing Walters to replace Afobe, they have only just signed him
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Jan 10, 2016 23:59:50 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 10, 2016 23:59:50 GMT
Can I ask you a question? Has there ever been a Stoke city player you haven't liked? Were you one of those who applauded our team off when we lost 2-0 to 9 man millwall? Dean whitehead was not unfairly maligned. He was far more popular than his ability ever merited. I've seen some shit in my time supporting Stoke and pound for pound, dean whitehead is right up there with the worst of them. If by 'haven't liked' you mean thought wasn't good enough, how long have you got, Dave ? Any number, particularly in the dark years of relegation, 3rd tier football etc. And managers too. But no player ever signs themselves, or selects themselves.So long as a player gives his all for the club and behaves professionally on and off the field, I will 'like' them and maybe applaud them, even if their ability doesn't match their commitment. I'm afraid my memory simply isn't good enough to say whether I did that on the occasion you mention. Personally, I think your comment about Whitehead is considerably OTT. I think he fell into that category of player whose particular assets tend to be more appreciated by the professional coaches than some supporters. I think there is an element of that with SJW as well. Fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagree on whitehead. At 5.5m and 30k per week, pound for pound he'd be right near the top of my "wasn't good enough list".
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Jan 11, 2016 0:25:56 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Jan 11, 2016 0:25:56 GMT
The guy is closing in on 200 PL appearances in his 6th season, having played in 92% of the PL games in that period, under two very different but both very good experienced PL managers. That simply couldn't happen unless he is a good PL level player, which he is. To say otherwise is effectively to say that both Pulis and Hughes don't know they are doing, which is self-evidently wrong. At 32, and as part of what is arguably the best squad the club has ever had, you don't have to be nostradamus to predict that perhaps he won't get as much game time in the remaining 2 and a half years of his contract as he's had in the first 5 and a half years, but that fact, if indeed it turns out to be a fact, doesn't detract in any way from his ability or his contribution to where we are now. IMHO he has "suffered" unfairly more than most from some detractors on this board, although I doubt whether that will have bothered him a lot, if at all - a fate which, bizarrely, seems to befall players whose names begin with 'w'. Wilson, Woolscheid, Whelan and Whitehead have all, unfairly IMHO, been there at different times, but fortunately the managers and coaches have seen it differently. It irritates me to hear the board forning over certain players ,who may have more natural ability than SJW but have made about 10% of Jon's contribution
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Jan 13, 2016 22:16:23 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 13, 2016 22:16:23 GMT
His all round play was pretty good as well, used the ball and always found his man. If Shaqiri is not 100% on Wednesday I would prefer to see Walters starting out on the right. The guy always has a point to prove He's usually at his best when he has a point to prove and he's been out of the team. Conversely he's usually poor after a long run in the team. I think MH knows this now and will be able to get the best out of Jon. Ahem! Just call me Oracle. Or twat if you prefer!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 13, 2016 22:19:05 GMT
Worth his weight in gold. Not the most blessed in skill but occasionally he just breaks that deadlock against a stubborn defence.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:19:39 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2016 22:19:39 GMT
He's usually at his best when he has a point to prove and he's been out of the team. Conversely he's usually poor after a long run in the team. I think MH knows this now and will be able to get the best out of Jon. Ahem! Just call me Oracle. Or twat if you prefer! He was fucking diabolical tonight!!!!!!! But he scored so all's well.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:20:09 GMT
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Post by rosco on Jan 13, 2016 22:20:09 GMT
Never lets us down. Must start especially in home games.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:20:54 GMT
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Post by whydelilah on Jan 13, 2016 22:20:54 GMT
Ahem! Just call me Oracle. Or twat if you prefer! He was fucking diabolical tonight!!!!!!! But he scored so all's well. Goals are king.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:21:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 22:21:23 GMT
Shaqiri out for two weeks. Walters will be needed for the wing for a while yet.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:21:56 GMT
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 13, 2016 22:21:56 GMT
Joint top scorer with arnie on 7 despite not playing reguarly
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Post by liathroid on Jan 13, 2016 22:21:57 GMT
Ahem! Just call me Oracle. Or twat if you prefer! He was fucking diabolical tonight!!!!!!! But he scored so all's well. beggars believe
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2016 22:24:39 GMT
Walters was poor tonight but scored, so that saves him from a bollocking from me.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:26:02 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Jan 13, 2016 22:26:02 GMT
Great to see a proper striker up top with his arms in the air, constantly wanting the ball knocked up to him.
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Jan 13, 2016 22:27:45 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2016 22:27:45 GMT
Great to see a proper striker up top with his arms in the air, constantly wanting the ball knocked up to him. Yep, Joselu was great tonight.
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