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Dec 21, 2015 9:00:58 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 9:00:58 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers?
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Dec 21, 2015 9:14:32 GMT
Post by bringmesunshine on Dec 21, 2015 9:14:32 GMT
Not true at all...That goal at Wembley, That goal against Chelsea and a prefect premier hat trick all suggest it is those who say he is rubbish that know nothing about football... How about 2 own goals, a missed penalty and kicking the ball into his own face? All in the same game! Yeh that was the definitive bad day at the office.
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Dec 21, 2015 9:33:00 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 21, 2015 9:33:00 GMT
He's that shit that the team sitting proudly at the top of the premier league wanted to sign him a few weeks ago. They didn't sign him though did they? Did they even submit an offer? The club seemed to suggest that they'd had no enquiries for Walters, let alone bids.
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Dec 21, 2015 9:35:22 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2015 9:35:22 GMT
He was dreadful but so were a 3/4 others.
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Dec 21, 2015 11:08:22 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 21, 2015 11:08:22 GMT
Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... Ridiculous post. Isolate one incident and make a case from it, won't you? If you are comparing Walters all round play with Bojans good luck to you mate? The ball bounces off Walters with regular occurrence ( I.e not just once!) and Bojan? Walters is not the reason we lost, but we are not going to progress with him in the team. Mentally he's miles behind the others. Walters has scored plenty of goals for us. Played plenty of good, some great, games. Proved his worth to managers at both club and international level. If Walters had missed that chance there would be a thread on it, with contributions from all the usual boo boys. Players miss chances.....even the best miss the easiest. Jon Walters has plenty to still offer us and will continue to do so.
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Post by thanksjon on Dec 21, 2015 15:10:30 GMT
I hope we don't get above ourselves because we are now pretty.Every great team need a workhorse or two, Walters always works his bollox off and has more skill than many give him credit for.
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Dec 21, 2015 15:16:34 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 21, 2015 15:16:34 GMT
Ridiculous post. Isolate one incident and make a case from it, won't you? If you are comparing Walters all round play with Bojans good luck to you mate? The ball bounces off Walters with regular occurrence ( I.e not just once!) and Bojan? Walters is not the reason we lost, but we are not going to progress with him in the team. Mentally he's miles behind the others. Walters has scored plenty of goals for us. Played plenty of good, some great, games. Proved his worth to managers at both club and international level. If Walters had missed that chance there would be a thread on it, with contributions from all the usual boo boys. Players miss chances.....even the best miss the easiest. Jon Walters has plenty to still offer us and will continue to do so. I must have missed the thread on Walters missing a sitter against Sunderland then, there is a reason he averages a goal every 5 games. I think it might become irrelevant anyway, if WBA get 20m for Berhaino i'd be amazed if TP doesn't come in for him.
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Dec 21, 2015 16:55:27 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Dec 21, 2015 16:55:27 GMT
He's that shit that the team sitting proudly at the top of the premier league wanted to sign him a few weeks ago. Leicester.....the team whose system is built around quick explosions of pace and counter attack? Cant believe that!......How many weeks ago was that?
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Dec 21, 2015 17:11:13 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Dec 21, 2015 17:11:13 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? As usual, you've gotten yourself a little bit over excited, but that's ok. Please don't change. It's not about not being able to take criticism for a few games, he's not been great lately but neither have others, it's just funny how it's always the likes of Jon and Charlie who are singled out. Whelan, Geoff and Wolly used to be in that little select group and it'll only take a few poor games for them to be placed back in the "past it" "not good enough" crowd. It's about showing respect to those (past and present) who've had a positive impact in the direction that we're taking. Walters has been and still is a fantastic servant for this club. He may not be a starter anymore but to suggest that he's toss is laughable. I understand that respect can be a hard topic for you
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Dec 21, 2015 17:29:56 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 17:29:56 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? As usual, you've gotten yourself a little bit over excited, but that's ok. Please don't change. It's not about not being able to take criticism for a few games, he's not been great lately but neither have others, it's just funny how it's always the likes of Jon and Charlie who are singled out. Whelan, Geoff and Wolly used to be in that little select group and it'll only take a few poor games for them to be placed back in the "past it" "not good enough" crowd. It's about showing respect to those (past and present) who've had a positive impact in the direction that we're taking. Walters has been and still is a fantastic servant for this club. He may not be a starter anymore but to suggest that he's toss is laughable. I understand that respect can be a hard topic for you Well this thread proves it IS about not being able to take criticism so.. Every single time there's a post suggesting he's had a bad game there are the usual suspects jumping down their throats. Nothing more, nothing less. I like Jon but he's afforded a lot more leeway than others. So this respect for players you speak. Was arnie not afforded that? Obviously not as he was signed by Hughes and is one of those fancy Dan foreigners.
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Dec 21, 2015 17:30:34 GMT
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Post by milky on Dec 21, 2015 17:30:34 GMT
If I've done my maths right then this is Jons 7th successive season at this level and under two different managers.
That doesn't happen if you're toss.
Clearly he isn't going to be a regular starter as things stand..and rightly so.
I've a feeling we haven't seen the last of his contribution to the cause mind...
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Dec 21, 2015 17:48:06 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Dec 21, 2015 17:48:06 GMT
As usual, you've gotten yourself a little bit over excited, but that's ok. Please don't change. It's not about not being able to take criticism for a few games, he's not been great lately but neither have others, it's just funny how it's always the likes of Jon and Charlie who are singled out. Whelan, Geoff and Wolly used to be in that little select group and it'll only take a few poor games for them to be placed back in the "past it" "not good enough" crowd. It's about showing respect to those (past and present) who've had a positive impact in the direction that we're taking. Walters has been and still is a fantastic servant for this club. He may not be a starter anymore but to suggest that he's toss is laughable. I understand that respect can be a hard topic for you Well this thread proves it IS about not being able to take criticism so.. Every single time there's a post suggesting he's had a bad game there are the usual suspects jumping down their throats. Nothing more, nothing less. I like Jon but he's afforded a lot more leeway than others. So this respect for players you speak. Was arnie not afforded that? Obviously not as he was signed by Hughes and is one of those fancy Dan foreigners. Seen me hand out any criticism to Diouf, Bojan, Shaq ect? Your attempt to turn this into an anti Hughes thing is pathetic especially as I think (along with everyone else) that he's doing a superb job.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 21, 2015 17:49:03 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? I rather think the reverse is also true. You are right that there appears to be a correlation between attitudes to Walters and attitudes to Pulis, and it's true on both sides of the coin.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 21, 2015 17:54:50 GMT
Those that don't realise or can't see the contribution Walters makes to the SQUAD are really just a bit simple
Gone are the days of teams using just 14 or 15 players in a season.
With the games coming thick and fast over the next few weeks he will once again show up the divvies on this board and deliver for Stoke City
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Dec 21, 2015 17:59:33 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 17:59:33 GMT
Well this thread proves it IS about not being able to take criticism so.. Every single time there's a post suggesting he's had a bad game there are the usual suspects jumping down their throats. Nothing more, nothing less. I like Jon but he's afforded a lot more leeway than others. So this respect for players you speak. Was arnie not afforded that? Obviously not as he was signed by Hughes and is one of those fancy Dan foreigners. Seen me hand out any criticism to Diouf, Bojan, Shaq ect? Your attempt to turn this into an anti Hughes thing is pathetic especially as I think (along with everyone else) that he's doing a superb job. It's not so much anti Hughes. But it is very pro Pulis. Whether that's just the type of football/footballers you like, work ethic etc.. I don't know but it's certainly true. So this respecting arnie.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:03:35 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 18:03:35 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? I rather think the reverse is also true. You are right that there appears to be a correlation between attitudes to Walters and attitudes to Pulis, and it's true on both sides of the coin. Possibly true yeah, to some extent. But it's the constant denial that Walters can have bad games (or more to the point, bad patches) by the same people. He's going through a bad pitch at the minute, so people are going to question his position. Obviously there are extremes, as there are to every single facet of Stoke city on this forums, but they are in the minority.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:07:34 GMT
Post by pmjh on Dec 21, 2015 18:07:34 GMT
He's that shit that the team sitting proudly at the top of the premier league wanted to sign him a few weeks ago. They didn't sign him though did they? Did they even submit an offer? The club seemed to suggest that they'd had no enquiries for Walters, let alone bids. Unless I am imagining things the media reported that Norwich and Leicester were after him. As far as the club is concerned my recollection is that they were willing to let him go if they could get Jedinak, which they didn't
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Dec 21, 2015 18:14:21 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 21, 2015 18:14:21 GMT
I rather think the reverse is also true. You are right that there appears to be a correlation between attitudes to Walters and attitudes to Pulis, and it's true on both sides of the coin. Possibly true yeah, to some extent. But it's the constant denial that Walters can have bad games (or more to the point, bad patches) by the same people. He's going through a bad pitch at the minute, so people are going to question his position. Obviously there are extremes, as there are to every single facet of Stoke city on this forums, but they are in the minority. So on one side we have those who can't see any good in the achievements of arguably our most successful manager in the modern era....while eagerly pouring scorn on a player signed for a pittance who has been a big part of much of our renaissance. While on the other side we have those who see past the former manager's shortcomings to recognise his immense contributions.....and recognise that while, certainly not the most technically gifted, SJW is one of the most committed players to play for us in recent years (if not ever) and still has a part to play. Did you see that science fiction film? Can't remember the name now.....it's about a battle between the light side and the dark side........
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Post by Gods on Dec 21, 2015 18:16:37 GMT
Unfortunately I think SJW is always going to be one of those players who gets it in the neck from some 'fans' when things don't all go to plan perhaps because he does not have the sublime gifts of some others but his overall contribution to the Stoke City cause has been nothing short of stellar in his 7 seasons here and there is more to come I am certain this season as we go in to a crazy run of games.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:21:57 GMT
Post by pmjh on Dec 21, 2015 18:21:57 GMT
He's that shit that the team sitting proudly at the top of the premier league wanted to sign him a few weeks ago. Leicester.....the team whose system is built around quick explosions of pace and counter attack? Cant believe that!......How many weeks ago was that? have you got a selective memory. Leicester are also built on hard work, team work and a never say die spirit. Wonder who that reminds you of.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:33:52 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 18:33:52 GMT
Possibly true yeah, to some extent. But it's the constant denial that Walters can have bad games (or more to the point, bad patches) by the same people. He's going through a bad pitch at the minute, so people are going to question his position. Obviously there are extremes, as there are to every single facet of Stoke city on this forums, but they are in the minority. So on one side we have those who can't see any good in the achievements of arguably our most successful manager in the modern era....while eagerly pouring scorn on a player signed for a pittance who has been a big part of much of our renaissance. While on the other side we have those who see past the former manager's shortcomings to recognise his immense contributions.....and recognise that while, certainly not the most technically gifted, SJW is one of the most committed players to play for us in recent years (if not ever) and still has a part to play. Did you see that science fiction film? Can't remember the name now.....it's about a battle between the light side and the dark side........ No I didn't see it. But one thing I do know is it's pointless getting into a discussion with you about the merits of what Jon Walters has brought to the pitch in the past few games.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:37:41 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Dec 21, 2015 18:37:41 GMT
Seen me hand out any criticism to Diouf, Bojan, Shaq ect? Your attempt to turn this into an anti Hughes thing is pathetic especially as I think (along with everyone else) that he's doing a superb job. It's not so much anti Hughes. But it is very pro Pulis. Whether that's just the type of football/footballers you like, work ethic etc.. I don't know but it's certainly true. So this respecting arnie. Arnie is playing well this season as I continue to point out, he's finding consistency which he has struggled with in previous seasons. In previous seasons he's play 3/4 games where he'd be a liability to a game where he'd shine. Not an opinion this board shared but I wasn't alone in thinking that either. If Arnie had scored two goals in a cup semi, or was the current top scorer in the squad, or helped to establish us as a top flight club, then I'd have given him more leniency for his poorer performances. But again, before you do some spin doctoring, I'd be starting Arnie every week this season and Walters would be on the bench.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:43:09 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Dec 21, 2015 18:43:09 GMT
The inability of Jon to have an impact on games from the bench has my head scratching as to why he was given a new deal.
I think he's a great pro and obviously adds something to the group but I can't see where he is going to get games for much longer.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:56:14 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 21, 2015 18:56:14 GMT
Seen me hand out any criticism to Diouf, Bojan, Shaq ect? Your attempt to turn this into an anti Hughes thing is pathetic especially as I think (along with everyone else) that he's doing a superb job. It's not so much anti Hughes. But it is very pro Pulis. Whether that's just the type of football/footballers you like, work ethic etc.. I don't know but it's certainly true. So this respecting arnie. Ahhhhhhhh..... ......it's footballing fascism...... ......the ball must not leave the grass, thou shalt not kick the ball long, you must play the game in the RIGHT WAY....... .....you're right...we just can't appreciate the game the way you can..... .....you big footballing connoisseur you!!!
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Dec 21, 2015 19:20:02 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 19:20:02 GMT
It's not so much anti Hughes. But it is very pro Pulis. Whether that's just the type of football/footballers you like, work ethic etc.. I don't know but it's certainly true. So this respecting arnie. Ahhhhhhhh..... ......it's footballing fascism...... ......the ball must not leave the grass, thou shalt not kick the ball long, you must play the game in the RIGHT WAY....... .....you're right...we just can't appreciate the game the way you can..... .....you big footballing connoisseur you!!! See what I mean? No you're right Johnathon Walters has been absolutely magnificent since he has had his contract extension. Note everybody, this is fact and he should never, ever be questioned again because he did score two goals in the fa cup semi final you know Signed. The Walters Mafia.
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Dec 21, 2015 20:02:11 GMT
Post by owdestokie on Dec 21, 2015 20:02:11 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? Is it a "coincidence". That the usual suspects seek any opportunity whether relevant or not to use this message board to continue their personal agendas. Fucking pathetic.. Of course, in my humble opinion Move on
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Dec 21, 2015 20:25:09 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 21, 2015 20:25:09 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? Is it a "coincidence". That the usual suspects seek any opportunity whether relevant or not to use this message board to continue their personal agendas. Fucking pathetic.. Of course, in my humble opinion Move on Move on? How ironic.
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Post by RAF on Dec 21, 2015 20:35:20 GMT
Is it a coincidence that the ones who can't bare any sort of criticism (also shoot down anyone who dares to say he's had a poor game) about Jon, are the ones that do the same for capped ex managers? As usual, you've gotten yourself a little bit over excited, but that's ok. Please don't change. It's not about not being able to take criticism for a few games, he's not been great lately but neither have others, it's just funny how it's always the likes of Jon and Charlie who are singled out. Whelan, Geoff and Wolly used to be in that little select group and it'll only take a few poor games for them to be placed back in the "past it" "not good enough" crowd. It's about showing respect to those (past and present) who've had a positive impact in the direction that we're taking. Walters has been and still is a fantastic servant for this club. He may not be a starter anymore but to suggest that he's toss is laughable. I understand that respect can be a hard topic for you Oh the fucking irony! H
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 21, 2015 22:27:13 GMT
Is it a "coincidence". That the usual suspects seek any opportunity whether relevant or not to use this message board to continue their personal agendas. Fucking pathetic.. Of course, in my humble opinion Move on Move on? How ironic. Myself and thousands of others have moved on with respect for past and present Personell who have made enormous contributions to our stability in the richest league in the world. It's simply a shame that the reluctant view don't share the same thoughts as many and move on with the same level of respect.
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Dec 29, 2015 8:10:22 GMT
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Post by jonso on Dec 29, 2015 8:10:22 GMT
Things stepped up a bit when SJW got bought on. He harassed and worked them. Nice job.
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