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Post by PotterLog on Dec 30, 2015 16:29:30 GMT
I love this idea that the issue is not even up for debate. People are angrily looking for "proof" that he meant it and conjuring up elaborate theories that Lineker, Shearer, Wright (three of the best forwards ever to play the game, by the way) are "jealous" to try and explain why anyone is doubting it. Jealous! If Shaqiri has anything like the career those three had he'll be a lucky boy. It's nothing to do with his capability, it's nothing to do with jealousy or inability to comprehend that kind of skill, it's nothing to do with the fact that it's a Stoke player and not an Arsenal or Barcelona player. It's to do with the fact that it looked like he was trying to square it. End of story I'm quite sure that if you asked football fans accross the world to list the best forwards ever there wouldn't be much mention of Shearer or Wright. Now I've had a right telling off for suggesting that there should be no debate about whether he meant the shot or not, but as I believe he meant it so much so that I can't see how he possibly couldn't, please could you explain why it looked like he was trying to square it? It wouldn't be the first time I'm missing something! Of Shearer I think there very much would be. Arguably the best centre-forward in the world at his peak. It's a hard thing to "explain" why it looked like he was trying to square it - it just did! He looks up, sees Arnie and quickly stretches to cut across the ball and play it in the direction of the penno spot. Put it this way - at the time, the way he shaped to strike the ball I was completely expecting it to go towards Arnie, and I was almost in the middle of cursing him for such a feeble attempt at a cross when it looped in. I also believe this explains the moment's hesitation in the crowd - nobody was expecting the ball to go the way it did.
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 30, 2015 16:43:28 GMT
Was anyone expecting the ball to go in when Charlie Adam chipped the keeper at Chelsea or when Beckham chipped Neil Sullivan 20 years ago??
If you are the one attempting it, its logical that you are the one who expects it. He doesn't look in the least bit surprised as its going in.
Cant we just give him the BOD??
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Post by petemac on Dec 30, 2015 16:44:03 GMT
He is a player (classy) as the game moves on can feel the ball, the slip of the surface, the feel of his boots on his feet. The boy is a class act he could never make such a miss hit. He could though look up at alternatives available before deciding not to think about composure or surface to just do what his great football brain decides and lob it. That is what top class players do. Berghamp had it, Henry had it, Messy and so on have it. It's the ability to just be compulsive with something because they trust themselves to pull it off.
A lot of us Stokies have said this lad will do something magic. Well he just did.
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 30, 2015 16:51:32 GMT
Here's one to analyse without questioning the skill of our own player...
What do you think? Did he slip as he struck the ball or after? Its really hard to tell. Just wondered if he slipped as he struck it then perhaps it lifted the flight of the ball slightly?
personally I thought the slip was fractionally after he struck the ball so made no difference but just wondered if anyone else saw it differently?
Thought it was a great penalty but it would have been embarrassing if it had gone over
More & more players seem to be hitting penalties centrally nowadays too as opposed to a corner; seems as if keepers always move left or right so it makes sense?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 30, 2015 17:00:24 GMT
Howard Webb must be pinching himself every morning. He really is stealing a living with that gig. I don't think I've ever seen him go against the decision the ref gives at the time.
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Post by crownmeking on Dec 30, 2015 17:04:35 GMT
Boreoff
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 30, 2015 17:15:23 GMT
He is a player (classy) as the game moves on can feel the ball, the slip of the surface, the feel of his boots on his feet. The boy is a class act he could never make such a miss hit. He could though look up at alternatives available before deciding not to think about composure or surface to just do what his great football brain decides and lob it. That is what top class players do. Berghamp had it, Henry had it, Messy and so on have it. It's the ability to just be compulsive with something because they trust themselves to pull it off. A lot of us Stokies have said this lad will do something magic. Well he just did. If Rooney or Wilshere had scored that goal, there would be no debate about whether they meant it or not.
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Post by petemac on Dec 30, 2015 17:19:15 GMT
He is a player (classy) as the game moves on can feel the ball, the slip of the surface, the feel of his boots on his feet. The boy is a class act he could never make such a miss hit. He could though look up at alternatives available before deciding not to think about composure or surface to just do what his great football brain decides and lob it. That is what top class players do. Berghamp had it, Henry had it, Messy and so on have it. It's the ability to just be compulsive with something because they trust themselves to pull it off. A lot of us Stokies have said this lad will do something magic. Well he just did. If Rooney or Wilshere had scored that goal, there would be no debate about whether they meant it or not. I'm afraid you might be right. But I doubt Rooney or Wiltshire have that kind of instinctive ability, some maybe
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 30, 2015 17:29:06 GMT
This debate was becoming boring and so have paid little attention to it. However via another thread I have come across it again and the video confirms that it is amazing. Whilst the excellent ball is setting off from Bojan, he looks up and sees Arnie OFFSIDE and then proceeds to complete a world class finish.
Shame on Shearer and Lineaker, and (can you believe this) credit to Garth and the rest of the media for recognising this goal for what it was.
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Post by milky on Dec 30, 2015 17:40:40 GMT
I'm just pleased we seem to now have three or four quality penalty takers wheras a couple of seasons back it seemed to be Jon or.....err. ...Jon
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 30, 2015 17:43:39 GMT
I'm glad the slip seemingly came after he struck it or we could've been 2 points worse off. As above, we now have a few decent penalty takers, which is a massive positive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 17:47:29 GMT
Watch it again.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 30, 2015 17:52:08 GMT
I think it was the swinging motion of his right leg which shifted the weight on his left leg into a slippable position.
And there we have it folks, the most boring post in the most boring thread of all time.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 30, 2015 17:55:55 GMT
He was when Bojan hit it, but you are quite right when Shaq plays the ball he is onside again. BUT this all happened in milliseconds and using instinct as it was impossible to think that quickly, he knew that Arnie was travelling at great speed from a offside positionAnd they were 2v 1.
My opinion.
The post I was replying to has disappeared. ?
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Post by trigger on Dec 30, 2015 17:58:27 GMT
Arnie's not even in the picture, so how can he even seen to be looking to cross the ball to him, Shaqiri does glance at Arnie but once he connects with the ball his eyes are looking towards goal
Love the comment from Shaqiri that Arnie talks to much, obviously there's a feel good factor amongst the players.
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 30, 2015 18:06:48 GMT
We are probably the only club whose fans would try & take something magical away
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 30, 2015 18:10:29 GMT
Has no one yet figured out Ric's goal against Villa was meant to go across the face of the goal - he never meant it ;-0
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 30, 2015 19:33:58 GMT
I love this idea that the issue is not even up for debate. People are angrily looking for "proof" that he meant it and conjuring up elaborate theories that Lineker, Shearer, Wright (three of the best forwards ever to play the game, by the way) are "jealous" to try and explain why anyone is doubting it. Jealous! If Shaqiri has anything like the career those three had he'll be a lucky boy. It's nothing to do with his capability, it's nothing to do with jealousy or inability to comprehend that kind of skill, it's nothing to do with the fact that it's a Stoke player and not an Arsenal or Barcelona player. It's to do with the fact that it looked like he was trying to square it. End of story You probably wont understand this either but he doesnt look like he was trying to square it. He does look up from the ball when he's about 2 or 3 yards away from it like any decent player should to see who's around. You'll see that regularly when players are deciding what to do especially those in on goal thinking about crossing or shooting. Then he concentrates back on the ball and clips it over Howard, then follows the flight of the ball into the goal instead of looking first over to Arnie as you would do if you'd just tried to pass it to him. If you've ever tried to hit a moving golf ball rolling across your path with a wedge iron that is precisely what he does to the football. You can get precisely the same sort of loft and combination of back and side spin when you chip a sideways rolling golf ball and catch it sweetly. Its hard to do and you need very soft hands but when you catch it sweet it looks just like what Shaq did on Monday. I know how physics works, cheers. It's an unusual way to strike a shot (like Paul alluded to above), and he looks more like he's trying to square it. That's why a lot of people are questioning it.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 30, 2015 19:35:33 GMT
I'm quite sure that if you asked football fans accross the world to list the best forwards ever there wouldn't be much mention of Shearer or Wright. Now I've had a right telling off for suggesting that there should be no debate about whether he meant the shot or not, but as I believe he meant it so much so that I can't see how he possibly couldn't, please could you explain why it looked like he was trying to square it? It wouldn't be the first time I'm missing something! Of Shearer I think there very much would be. Arguably the best centre-forward in the world at his peak. It's a hard thing to "explain" why it looked like he was trying to square it - it just did! He looks up, sees Arnie and quickly stretches to cut across the ball and play it in the direction of the penno spot. Put it this way - at the time, the way he shaped to strike the ball I was completely expecting it to go towards Arnie, and I was almost in the middle of cursing him for such a feeble attempt at a cross when it looped in. I also believe this explains the moment's hesitation in the crowd - nobody was expecting the ball to go the way it did. I don't recognise the way he shaped himself like you do. For me he shaped to do what he did, and his intentions are confirmed as he follows the ball immediately. As for the crowd reaction, I agree nobody expected it, which makes it all the more special for me. That said from certain views I've thought a shot at goal was going closer to the goal than the corner flag or row Z when old Daryl was having a pop! Thank you for explaining your view though.
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Post by AlliG on Dec 30, 2015 20:41:48 GMT
If Shakiri still played for Bayern or Inter the media would not have even raised the question. Surely if he was going to cross to Arnie then as he knew Arnie was some distance back but in oceans of space, he would have killed the ball, maybe taken it on a yard or two and then rolled it across the area? Surely if he was going to shoot then as he knew he was some distance from goal but in oceans of space, he would have killed the ball, maybe taken it on a yard or two and then shot from close range? = exactly the same argument You are no Mr Spock! From the position he shot he had the keeper stranded, whereas if he had taken the ball down as he was running slightly away from goal he would have made the angle worse himself and allowed the keeper a chance to re-position himself to make it even more difficult. Therefore they are 2 different arguments. QED.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Dec 30, 2015 22:02:41 GMT
After every game I look forward to "Chief Delilahs Conclusions" With the fantastic result on Monday, I have been waiting for his conclusions, but still waiting.
Come on mate, put us out of our misery and write your last master piece for 2015.
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Post by bmstoke on Dec 30, 2015 22:05:26 GMT
After every game I look forward to "Chief Delilahs Conclusions" With the fantastic result on Monday, I have been waiting for his conclusions, but still waiting. Come on mate, put us out of our misery and write your last master piece for 2015. He must be back on the nest.
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Post by miltonstokie on Dec 30, 2015 22:13:27 GMT
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 31, 2015 12:44:30 GMT
This morning Adam has confirmed that shaq told him it was a cross !
Must admit I was convinced it was a shot !
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Dec 31, 2015 13:25:08 GMT
You probably wont understand this either but he doesnt look like he was trying to square it. He does look up from the ball when he's about 2 or 3 yards away from it like any decent player should to see who's around. You'll see that regularly when players are deciding what to do especially those in on goal thinking about crossing or shooting. Then he concentrates back on the ball and clips it over Howard, then follows the flight of the ball into the goal instead of looking first over to Arnie as you would do if you'd just tried to pass it to him. If you've ever tried to hit a moving golf ball rolling across your path with a wedge iron that is precisely what he does to the football. You can get precisely the same sort of loft and combination of back and side spin when you chip a sideways rolling golf ball and catch it sweetly. Its hard to do and you need very soft hands but when you catch it sweet it looks just like what Shaq did on Monday. I know how physics works, cheers. It's an unusual way to strike a shot (like Paul alluded to above), and he looks more like he's trying to square it. That's why a lot of people are questioning it. 48 pages later YAWWWNNNNNNN He doesn't look at all like he is trying to square it. Sublime bit of skill from a top player. Shearer, Lineker and Wright are not in the same class, my opinion and I am entitled to it. Lineker was good at getting into the box and scoring from 6 yards out, Shearer was a bit better but still a donkey brain and Wright, well he was ok, just ok in my book. But when all is said and done, what have these three 'world class' strikers ever achieved for their country if they are that awesome? On MOTD I think there was a bit of banter coupled with a bit of professional jealousy going down, simple as that. Just enjoy the fact that we have a class athlete in our ranks who will pull off this kind of wonder goal again in the near future, bloody brilliant! I am normally a glass half empty kind of Stokie, can't help it really and even I am finding it difficult to believe that we are playing with such class and authority these days. I am trying to just enjoy the ride while it lasts. Shaq definitely caressed that ball into the net, hence the total gob smacked silence after it went in.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 31, 2015 13:29:21 GMT
I love this idea that the issue is not even up for debate. People are angrily looking for "proof" that he meant it and conjuring up elaborate theories that Lineker, Shearer, Wright (three of the best forwards ever to play the game, by the way) are "jealous" to try and explain why anyone is doubting it. Jealous! If Shaqiri has anything like the career those three had he'll be a lucky boy. It's nothing to do with his capability, it's nothing to do with jealousy or inability to comprehend that kind of skill, it's nothing to do with the fact that it's a Stoke player and not an Arsenal or Barcelona player. It's to do with the fact that it looked like he was trying to square it. End of story You probably wont understand this either but he doesnt look like he was trying to square it. He does look up from the ball when he's about 2 or 3 yards away from it like any decent player should to see who's around. You'll see that regularly when players are deciding what to do especially those in on goal thinking about crossing or shooting. Then he concentrates back on the ball and clips it over Howard, then follows the flight of the ball into the goal instead of looking first over to Arnie as you would do if you'd just tried to pass it to him. If you've ever tried to hit a moving golf ball rolling across your path with a wedge iron that is precisely what he does to the football. You can get precisely the same sort of loft and combination of back and side spin when you chip a sideways rolling golf ball and catch it sweetly. Its hard to do and you need very soft hands but when you catch it sweet it looks just like what Shaq did on Monday. Moving ball. Two shot penalty in golf. Playing for Stoke bloody marvellous!
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 31, 2015 13:38:10 GMT
This morning Adam has confirmed that shaq told him it was a cross ! Must admit I was convinced it was a shot ! Oh dear. A lot of people are not gonna like that :D
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 31, 2015 13:52:59 GMT
This morning Adam has confirmed that shaq told him it was a cross ! Must admit I was convinced it was a shot ! Oh dear. A lot of people are not gonna like that Indeed , including our own admins who don't think it deserves to be on its own thread although it's a major talking point and a major story on sky sports news ! Odd !
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 31, 2015 14:24:17 GMT
I know how physics works, cheers. It's an unusual way to strike a shot (like Paul alluded to above), and he looks more like he's trying to square it. That's why a lot of people are questioning it. 48 pages later YAWWWNNNNNNN He doesn't look at all like he is trying to square it. Sublime bit of skill from a top player. Shearer, Lineker and Wright are not in the same class, my opinion and I am entitled to it. Lineker was good at getting into the box and scoring from 6 yards out, Shearer was a bit better but still a donkey brain and Wright, well he was ok, just ok in my book. But when all is said and done, what have these three 'world class' strikers ever achieved for their country if they are that awesome? On MOTD I think there was a bit of banter coupled with a bit of professional jealousy going down, simple as that. Just enjoy the fact that we have a class athlete in our ranks who will pull off this kind of wonder goal again in the near future, bloody brilliant! I am normally a glass half empty kind of Stokie, can't help it really and even I am finding it difficult to believe that we are playing with such class and authority these days. I am trying to just enjoy the ride while it lasts. Shaq definitely caressed that ball into the net, hence the total gob smacked silence after it went in. The 48 pages are from the match thread mate, it's been merged. I'm afraid the rest of what you say is not to be taken seriously after that comedy paragraph about the three English strikers.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 31, 2015 14:28:08 GMT
This morning Adam has confirmed that shaq told him it was a cross ! Must admit I was convinced it was a shot ! Where was this?
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