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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2015 1:58:36 GMT
Meant or not, he meant it, its goal of the season regardless.
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Post by StoKeith on Dec 30, 2015 2:01:38 GMT
Looking at this picture from that article which I presume is genuine rather than a computer generated graphic, then if it was meant to be a cross/pass then who the heck is he crossing/passing too, the invisible man? It looks like they Photoshopped the image to create a composite of two images as Shaqiri is clearly kicking the ball at that moment and Howard is clearly watching the ball sail into the net at that moment. It can't be the same moment. Also, if you look very closely, you can actually see Arnie's hand at the far left of the pic, so Shaq theoretically could have played a pass into the space for Arnie to run onto. However, I would argue that would be very difficult to execute given that Shaq was already stretching to reach the ball.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 30, 2015 2:16:20 GMT
From whichever angle I see the goal, Shaq's body is not shaped for a cross and neither does he look like he means to cross it. Maybe I'm biased, but that's my view & opinion.
*edit. Also, if it had resulted in being a cross, not only would nobody have been on the end of it, with how much weight & flight he put on it - it would've ended up in the Mersey & been the worst cross ever. Given Shaq's current form, that theory doesn't stand up.
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Post by desman2 on Dec 30, 2015 2:20:22 GMT
If that had been by someone at a so called top club they wouldnt be having this debate
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 30, 2015 2:31:01 GMT
He meant that. Great skill to volleg of the bounce like that. World class.
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Post by trigger on Dec 30, 2015 4:02:31 GMT
If it carries on like this it'll have to be decided by the dubious goals panel, end of the day it's more positive stuff about our club in the papers which can't be a bad thing.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2015 4:06:11 GMT
Does it matter , goal end of
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Post by euan ouzami on Dec 30, 2015 7:08:22 GMT
Clearly a fluke, and what's more it was just a hoof ball from Bojan. These guys are rubbish and Stoke are lucky.
Nothing to see here, you "bigger" clubs. Move on
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Post by Northy on Dec 30, 2015 7:55:43 GMT
Dermot Gallgher has said on SSN it wasn't a penalty, they didn't even have the Pieters/Coleman incident up for review. Martinez sucking on lemons again That's strange, as he says it was a penalty in his "Ref Watch" piece this week. www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10113449/ref-watch-man-utd39s-wayne-rooney-deserved-red-card-vs-chelsea-says-dermot-gallagher"GALLAGHER'S VIEW: Right decision. GALLAGHER SAYS: He has touched the ball, but I still think it's a penalty. If you get the ball, it doesn't necessarily mean you have not committed a foul. He has gone through Arnautovic and has committed a foul. I think it's a penalty, I concur with the referee and understand why he has given it. It's a fair decision." I did say it was a penalty originally, then a bit later for some reason edited it to wasn't, for what I can only deem was a 'senior moment'
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Post by Northy on Dec 30, 2015 8:02:05 GMT
I think if Ryan had made that exact same tackle at the other end of the pitch and had a penalty awarded against him in the dying minute, then there would be a lot of people going absolutely mental on this message board tonight about the travesty of the decision.
I think there's some very good arguments on this thread as to why it was a penalty but nevertheless we (to a man) would think we'd have been robbed if it had happened to us.
Didn't ryan do same sort of tackle ,not in the box,at Sunderland away for 2nd booking ?? No, Ryan never came through the back of a player and swept his legs away for good measure, he came in from the side and toe poked the ball away from danger
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Post by Northy on Dec 30, 2015 8:14:59 GMT
2) Arnie is just visible in the picture WAY behind Shaqiri and outside the box. Why the hell would he cross to the far post for a player that's behind and15 yards from the place where he's going to put the ball. Arnie is fast but not that fast and Shaq doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. A ball across the 18 yard line for Arnie to run onto would make it easy by the time Arnie got there, you can just see him entering the picture, Howard would not have made the ground up from a standing start. For me, it was a perfectly executed shot
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 30, 2015 8:35:36 GMT
If it was meant as a cross it was akin to something you would see from a pub team playing on the wreck on a sunday morning...embarrassed for the lad.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2015 8:55:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03cg2sn#playRadio Merseyside post-match phone-in Didn't realise how little credit he has in the bank in the blue half of Scouseland. Bloody hell, every caller is demanding his sacking And their summariser really rates Stoke.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 30, 2015 9:00:41 GMT
Fraud in a smart suit.
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 30, 2015 9:02:32 GMT
I am on Merseyside at the moment with family and Martinez is clearly not a popular figure. His inability to put together and organise a decent defence will again be his downfall just as it was at wigan
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 30, 2015 9:06:39 GMT
Everton need to replace Gareth Barry. Their defensive fortunes will improve.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2015 9:09:13 GMT
Everton need to replace Gareth Barry. Their defensive fortunes will improve. There seems to be a lot of Barry love in the phone-in - but much more Stones-bashing than you'd expect. The big loss seems to be Jagielka
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 30, 2015 9:12:22 GMT
Everton need to replace Gareth Barry. Their defensive fortunes will improve. There seems to be a lot of Barry love in the phone-in - but much more Stones-bashing than you'd expect. The big loss seems to be Jagielka Fair enough, but whenever I see him play he looks slow and a bit past it. I did hear that the return of Jagielka will help Stones.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 30, 2015 9:12:26 GMT
If the decision had been given against us, I would be hopping mad as well.
But I'm not sure the defender touched the ball. I've watched a replay repeatedly from different angles on my MOTD recording and am not convinced he touched it. He certainly didn't clear the ball or affect its slow forward motion in any way. Had Arni not been brought down by the defender's legs, Arni could have reached the ball which was moving slowly and the goal keeper had time to move a greater distance from the ball than Arni and pick it up.
So IMO the ref got it right, but I admit I am extremely biased!
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 30, 2015 9:14:50 GMT
Martinez should be embarrassed by his comments about Clattenburg. He says he wants consistency yes but we also want the right decisions and I assume he is comparing the Stones tackle with Pieters in the first half. Pieters got a big touch and the ball was just about over the line when Coleman went down. Also to suggest that he shouldn't be making big calls in the last minute of the game is laughable. At least Clattenburg had the balls to make the call. many refs would have bottled that on 90 mins.
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Post by steve66 on Dec 30, 2015 9:22:27 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 30, 2015 9:22:29 GMT
I wouldn't get uptight about an opposing managers comments about a penalty when his team has conceded 4 goals at home, making it 7 in two games. Deflection tactics.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 30, 2015 9:32:02 GMT
Bobby M must be gutted.
He can't fall back on his stock Stoke excuse of "They were physical....direct.....we were bullied.....etc"
King Carpetball outcarpetballed.
Ole!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2015 9:41:17 GMT
Martinez should be embarrassed by his comments about Clattenburg. He says he wants consistency yes but we also want the right decisions and I assume he is comparing the Stones tackle with Pieters in the first half. Pieters got a big touch and the ball was just about over the line when Coleman went down. Also to suggest that he shouldn't be making big calls in the last minute of the game is laughable. At least Clattenburg had the balls to make the call. many refs would have bottled that on 90 mins. Pieters didn't touch the ball. He didn't even make a tackle. He stumbled, slid on his knees and made no contact whatsoever with Coleman.
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Post by werrington on Dec 30, 2015 10:04:16 GMT
Puts the feeble Radio Stoke effort to shame
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 30, 2015 10:05:19 GMT
Coleman threw himself down the second he felt contact. Martinez seems a nice bloke but his Wigan lot were a bunch of diving cheats and there's plenty of that in this Everton team as well.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Dec 30, 2015 10:09:46 GMT
Stones scraped the ball(just) with his studs but it was still in Arnies possession when the trailing leg of Stones took him out.Penalty all day.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2015 10:20:54 GMT
Dermot 'the bastard' Gallagher (for that is his full name) said that it was a nailed on penno Much to the surprise (and chagrin) of the Sky wanker presenting. I think he was hoping for a bit of ref bashing controversey. Good old Dermi's rationale was that he may have scraped the ball but he went through Arnie to do it and then brought him down with his trailing leg afterwards. When you think about it what Martinez is advocating is that it's ok to shatter a players leg to smithereens with the follow through or your wildly trailing leg as long as you get the faintest of touches on the ball which then automatically makes it a fair tackle. Cock. Deflecting attention from the fact that he can't and never has been able to pick a defender. Hands up those who wanted him instead of Mark Hughes.
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Post by redstriper on Dec 30, 2015 10:29:00 GMT
Not sure what Martinez has done to deserve all the vitriol. MLH would have been similarly unhappy when interviewed if we lost in the 90th minute to a penalty decision which, whether right or wrong, was marginal.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 30, 2015 10:36:00 GMT
Dermot 'the bastard' Gallagher (for that is his full name) said that it was a nailed on penno Much to the surprise (and chagrin) of the Sky wanker presenting. I think he was hoping for a bit of ref bashing controversey. Good old Dermi's rationale was that he may have scraped the ball but he went through Arnie to do it and then brought him down with his trailing leg afterwards. When you think about it what Martinez is advocating is that it's ok to shatter a players leg to smithereens with the follow through or your wildly trailing leg as long as you get the faintest of touches on the ball which then automatically makes it a fair tackle. Cock. Deflecting attention from the fact that he can't and never has been able to pick a defender. Hands up those who wanted him instead of Mark Hughes. Did they ask him about Shakey's second goal? Sounds like he has more sense than the MOTD unholy trinity combined.
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